General Blue Jays Discussion Thread (2025)

[BB17]

1 hour ago, Terminator said:

The Atkins haters are never going to give up

We can see how the rest of this season shakes out, but barring any sort of epic collapse both he and Shapiro should be extended this offseason

Feels like Shapiro will/should get extended regardless. He's not even making baseball personnel decisions himself, basically its on him for putting the GM in his role. But he is doing more work negotiating sponsor deals/renovation plans than he is giving him input on players to acquire at the deadline.

[max silver]

28 minutes ago, jmomcc said:

Of course the yankees are better. They develop pitching consistently. It's a base requirement. We don't satisfy that so we are worse. They also average a good bit more wins than we do a season. 

I also honestly value front offices with higher upside. Like, that can put together teams that have 100 win upside. We are a team and front office set up to get into wild cards generally and win the division maybe if its unusually weak that year. I'd rather have higher upside and backslide into wild cards than have that as seemingly the goal most years. 

Also, one of those three was 2020 when essentially the entire league got in. 

Nice job completely ignoring the massive chunk of extra payroll that the Yankees enjoy every single season. I think the Blue Jays have done a better job producing their own position players with the Yankees getting the nod in pitching development. You have set an impossibly high bar to satisfy your requirements. This team has won 99 games exactly once in it's entire existence

[jmomcc]

20 minutes ago, max silver said:

Nice job completely ignoring the massive chunk of extra payroll that the Yankees enjoy every single season. I think the Blue Jays have done a better job producing their own position players with the Yankees getting the nod in pitching development. You have set an impossibly high bar to satisfy your requirements. This team has won 99 games exactly once in it's entire existence

Yea, and tampa, baltimore, the yankees and the red sox have won 100 games at least once in the last ten years. Or even high 90s. 

So, its a high goal but its an achieve-able goal. 

I'm at work right now but i'll have a look later. I'd say obviously more pitching WAR in last ten years. And definitely ALOT more positive contributers. On the position side, not sure. Probably closer than you'd think. If we just prorated cashman's entire tenure vs atkins, then obviously its the yankees because Judge. 

[Laika]

Berrios vs Luis Garcia (velo down, 90 poo now, 92 Stuff+ in his one game back from TJS)
Bieber vs Jason Alexander (5.05 FIP throws 90 poo)
Gausman vs Cristian Javier (5.36 xFIP can't throw strikes)

Bassitt vs Dietrich Enns (bullpen game)
Scherzer vs Trevor Rogers (really good now but LHP)
Berrios vs Tomoyuki Sugano (5.12 FIP and 5.71 xERA)

All home games

5 of 6 should be the EXPECTATION. Dodging Brown, Framber, and Bradish. 

[Orgfiller]

13 minutes ago, Laika said:

Berrios vs Luis Garcia (velo down, 90 poo now, 92 Stuff+ in his one game back from TJS)
Bieber vs Jason Alexander (5.05 FIP throws 90 poo)
Gausman vs Cristian Javier (5.36 xFIP can't throw strikes)

Bassitt vs Dietrich Enns (bullpen game)
Scherzer vs Trevor Rogers (really good now but LHP)
Berrios vs Tomoyuki Sugano (5.12 FIP and 5.71 xERA)

All home games

5 of 6 should be the EXPECTATION. Dodging Brown, Framber, and Bradish. 

I don't know about expectation with the Astros still being a pretty good team overall, but definitely need to take both series and then some. Can't afford dropping silly games with how our schedule moving forward looks compared to the Yankees'.

[harvey16]

Need to win 4 minimum in this upcoming homestand. Need to put some distance between us and the Yankees, especially with the Yankees having an extremely easy schedule after their series with Detroit and Boston. 

[Masterbather]

3 hours ago, Laika said:

Berrios vs Luis Garcia (velo down, 90 poo now, 92 Stuff+ in his one game back from TJS)
Bieber vs Jason Alexander (5.05 FIP throws 90 poo)
Gausman vs Cristian Javier (5.36 xFIP can't throw strikes)

Bassitt vs Dietrich Enns (bullpen game)
Scherzer vs Trevor Rogers (really good now but LHP)
Berrios vs Tomoyuki Sugano (5.12 FIP and 5.71 xERA)

All home games

5 of 6 should be the EXPECTATION. Dodging Brown, Framber, and Bradish. 

I think four would be the bare minimum expectation. Obviously we want to be greedy beyond that but the Astros are obviously an excellent team even if we miss their best two pitchers and the Orioles don't suck like they did early in the season. 

[Stangstag]

1 hour ago, harvey16 said:

Need to win 4 minimum in this upcoming homestand. Need to put some distance between us and the Yankees, especially with the Yankees having an extremely easy schedule after their series with Detroit and Boston. 

Going 4-2 this week might not even gain us any ground lol. But yes its almost a necessity at this point to play better than .500 ball or the Yanks will catch up 

[Brownie19]

This isn't good at all...

Blue Jays placed SS Bo Bichette on the 10-day injured list, retroactive to Sept. 7, with a sprained left knee.

Bichette was able to resume playing Saturday after hurting his leg sliding into catcher Austin Wells in the game against the Yankees, but he sat out Sunday. The word then was that it was his shin, which sustained a cut, that was the problem, but it turns out that wasn’t the whole truth. Isiah Kiner-Falefa will likely play pretty regularly while Bichette is out.

[mphenhef]

On 9/8/2025 at 2:28 PM, BB17 said:

Feels like Shapiro will/should get extended regardless. He's not even making baseball personnel decisions himself, basically its on him for putting the GM in his role. But he is doing more work negotiating sponsor deals/renovation plans than he is giving him input on players to acquire at the deadline.

I would hazard a guess he is the reason he hasn't signed an extension yet.  Would it be surprising to see him move over to the commissioner's office to get some time in there before Manfred retires in 2029?

[Jays24]

Any news on Santandar?  He was supposed to start his rehab in Buffalo today I thought.

[Pinkfloid]

1 hour ago, Jays24 said:

Any news on Santandar?  He was supposed to start his rehab in Buffalo today I thought.

He has a sore back from swinging

[Laika]

Jays +3 games on BOS and NYY with 18 games remaining for TOR and NYY and 16 for BOS

Tie breaker makes that a +4 lead and BOS/NYY need to pass Toronto. 

.500 from here has TOR with 92 wins so NYY needs to go 13-5 to flip, BOS needs to go 12-4.... very unlikely to flip

10-8 has TOR with 93 wins. NYY and BOS need to go 14-4 or 13-3... almost insurmountable 

And BOS and NYY have a 3 game series between each other starting Friday so there are three guaranteed losses being allocated to them. 

Fangraphs now projects 93 wins for Toronto. The 74.4% and 73.8% odds for winning the division and clinching a bye seem a bit light to me. They have become, essentially, the same question because NYY and BOS are more likely to be the 2nd best division winner than Houston or some other AL West team.  

Toronto just needs to *not collapse* and the division and bye are theirs. 

Boston remaining games:

• ATH x4 (cake)
• NYY x3 (battle)
• TBR x3 (not cake)
• TOR x3 (battle)
• DET x3 (not cake, DET might rest guys, but still might face Skubal) 

Yankees remaining games:

• DET x2 (battle)
• BOS x3 (battle)
• MIN x3 (cake... but could get shut down my Zebby or Taj Bradley I guess)
• BAL x3 (not cake... they could have to face Rogers and Bradish) 
• CHW x3 (cake)
• BAL x3 (not cake)

Can definitely see NYY going 12-6 and BOS going 11-5 or something but hard to see either team doing better than that or running the table. 

[max silver]

17 hours ago, Pinkfloid said:

He has a sore back from swinging

That's far from ideal but at least it's better than experiencing a setback in the injured shoulder. 

[Laika]

In light of the above I feel like we should want Boston to take 2 of 3 from New York this weekend.

Take the series, hang two Ls on the Yankees, but don't sweep and come out of it with extreme confidence. 

Yes, Boston and Toronto still play and if BOS inches closer and sweeps Toronto it could be problematic, but aside from that, Boston has less games remaining to pile up wins if they get hot and they have the harder schedule remaining so they are generally more likely to lose against these stray remaining opponents, compared to New York. 

[Omar]

The Athletics suck at home (wherever home is?) but are much better on the road. Their next series with the Redsux will be in Boston so they may surprise. Kurtz may be back by then too.  Watching Big Amish maul the RedSux would be great. 

[Laika]

Good point. 37-38 on the road, they are a different team away from Sacramento. Sox also lost Roman Anthony of course. 

[Terminator]

That BOS-Minny-Baltimore 10 game road trip with no off days is going to be harder for the Yanks than their fans think. 

The Yankees, like most contenders, are floating around .500 on the road. Minny sucks but they are .500 at home so those games might be tight and the Yanks could very well be cooked before their final homestand where I think they can expect to finish strong.

[Terminator]

Jays schedule is manageable

• vs. Houston x2
• vs. Baltimore x3
• @ TB x4
• @ KC x3
• vs. Boston x3
• vs. TB x3

11 home games to just 7 road games. We are just one game back from the best home record in baseball.

The two road series are manageable. Normally a trip to Tampa would scare the hell out of me (still does a little) but I feel a little better in that they haven't been playing very well at home this year. KC's rotation has been wrecked by injuries.

[Terminator]

24 minutes ago, Laika said:

In light of the above I feel like we should want Boston to take 2 of 3 from New York this weekend.

Take the series, hang two Ls on the Yankees, but don't sweep and come out of it with extreme confidence. 

Yes, Boston and Toronto still play and if BOS inches closer and sweeps Toronto it could be problematic, but aside from that, Boston has less games remaining to pile up wins if they get hot and they have the harder schedule remaining so they are generally more likely to lose against these stray remaining opponents, compared to New York. 

Yeah Boston winning 2 of 3 is ideal. That 3 game set against us gives them an opportunity that the Yankees no longer have and they have an offday before they face us so they can probably finagle Crochet into the series. 

That said, they only have 16 games left so there is less opportunity to take matters into their own hands and make games up.

It also makes their 3 game deficit look a little rosier than it actually is, they are 4 back in the loss column so with the tiebreaker they will have to be 5 losses better than the Jays over the rest of the season. Going to be tough for them!

[Omar]

After sweeping the Padres, the Orioles took two of three from the Dodgers!  Don't sleep on the Orioles.  They are determined to play spoiler.  They may single handily end the Yankees season. Book it. 

[Spanky__99]

3 minutes ago, Omar said:

After sweeping the Padres, the Orioles took two of three from the Dodgers!  Don't sleep on the Orioles.  They are determined to play spoiler.  Book it. 

I still shake my head about their pitching decisions. That killed them.

[Laika]

11 minutes ago, Terminator said:

Jays schedule is manageable

• vs. Houston x2
• vs. Baltimore x3
• @ TB x4
• @ KC x3
• vs. Boston x3
• vs. TB x3

11 home games to just 7 road games. We are just one game back from the best home record in baseball.

The two road series are manageable. Normally a trip to Tampa would scare the hell out of me (still does a little) but I feel a little better in that they haven't been playing very well at home this year. KC's rotation has been wrecked by injuries.

Yeah the home-road reality tilts things even more. The Jays have more home games, where they are great and the Yankees have a bad road trip left. That matters. 

Boston has a lot of home games left though, so that kind of sucks. 

[Laika]

9 minutes ago, Omar said:

After sweeping the Padres, the Orioles took two of three from the Dodgers!  Don't sleep on the Orioles.  They are determined to play spoiler.  They may single handily end the Yankees season. Book it. 

A lot to prove for 2026. Chip on shoulder team. 

[Terminator]

10 minutes ago, Omar said:

After sweeping the Padres, the Orioles took two of three from the Dodgers!  Don't sleep on the Orioles.  They are determined to play spoiler.  They may single handily end the Yankees season. Book it. 

I'm glad we get them at home.

[Laika]

4 minutes ago, Spanky__99 said:

I still shake my head about their pitching decisions. That killed them.

Kremer, Sugano, Morton, Gibson, Povich, Young, broken Eflin

Hilarious!!!! This collection of AAA or NPB or should-be-retired quality SP makes Jose Berrios look like Curt Schilling!!!!

[Omar]

13 minutes ago, Spanky__99 said:

I still shake my head about their pitching decisions. That killed them.

That's what happens when ownership makes like a bird and are "cheap cheap".

[Spanky__99]

5 minutes ago, Laika said:

Kremer, Sugano, Morton, Gibson, Povich, Young, broken Eflin

Hilarious!!!! This collection of AAA or NPB or should-be-retired quality SP makes Jose Berrios look like Curt Schilling!!!!

It made no sense and had people worried about new ownership's pocket-book and rightfully so, but Elias said he had the funds, lol... I enjoyed the collapse.

[Spanky__99]

4 minutes ago, Omar said:

That's what happens when ownership makes like a bird and are "cheap cheap".

 Elias says he had the money, it's a messed up little conundrum, I believe you're on track from what he mentioned, ownership. F*ckk them and their Fanboys!

[G-Snarls]

Need to win another against Houston 

And would it kill the A's to pull a win out of their ass against the Red Sox today???