General Blue Jays Discussion Thread (2024)

[Krylian]

I'm not even mad they are 4-6. Kind of impressed actually.

 

The luck will eventually run out and actual competence will be required.

[G-Snarls]

I'm not even mad they are 4-6. Kind of impressed actually.

 

I'm not upset with the record either. It's more about how the team looks.

 

What I'm upset about is the ongoing offensive struggles of Vladdy, Varsho and Kirk (which have spilled over from last year), along with the light bats that KK and IKF carry and the decision to sign them as "nearly every day" players. All together it makes the offense worrisomely underwhelming.

[Orgfiller]

The luck will eventually run out and actual competence will be required.

 

Or more likely, both the offense and pitching regress to the mean and the team starts playing a lot better. Home games and weaker opponents play a factor into a much "improved" looking team. Narratives run abound that Don Mattingly started becoming a more powerful voice to the hitters with the pitching staff really "coming together" and "bringing each other up" to explain a strong finish to April/start to May.

[Spanky99]

 

[mphenhef]

 

 

 

 

 

More like an advertising first space

[Olerud363]

Don Mattingly started becoming a more powerful voice to the hitters with the pitching staff really "coming together" .

 

Who would rather have as a voice in the hitters heads Don Mattingly or prime Cito Gaston?

 

Cito hitting advice - pull dat ball

 

Mattingly hitting advice - Use your 99.999th percentile hand eye coordination to strike out 25 times in 600 at bats

[Krylian]

Who would rather have as a voice in the hitters heads Don Mattingly or prime Cito Gaston?

 

Cito hitting advice - pull dat ball

 

Mattingly hitting advice - Use your 99.999th percentile hand eye coordination to strike out 25 times in 600 at bats

 

The low strikeout philosophy has been irrelevant in baseball for a while now.

[Brownie19]

The low strikeout philosophy has been irrelevant in baseball for a while now.

 

I disagree. As recently as 2017-2019, there was a huge narrative about how the teams with higher contact rates and lower K%'s have more success in the playoffs. I think that developed from those f***ing Royal teams, but the Astros (and Dodgers?) had a ton of playoff success with rosters that didn't strikeout as much.

[Krylian]

I disagree. As recently as 2017-2019, there was a huge narrative about how the teams with higher contact rates and lower K%'s have more success in the playoffs. I think that developed from those f***ing Royal teams, but the Astros (and Dodgers?) had a ton of playoff success with rosters that didn't strikeout as much.

 

I hope so... Cause the type of baseball that we've seen for the most part seems to be, go for the homerun, don't worry about the strikeout. Strikeout numbers for hitters have been outrageous.

[Laika]

I hope so... Cause the type of baseball that we've seen for the most part seems to be, go for the homerun, don't worry about the strikeout. Strikeout numbers for hitters have been outrageous.

 

Some of that is hitter approaches changing but I think most of it is just pitchers having nastier stuff.

 

If you want to make a ton of contact in MLB, you either need generational talent or you need to sacrifice virtually all power.

 

The whole hitter launch angle revolution is sort of a response to pitchers being tougher to hit, you know. Kind of like saying "well if I can't shoot the gaps and hit .280 with 15 homers anymore, I might as well become a .240 hitter with 20+ homers"

[Brownie19]

I heard on the radio this morning that they wanted to install traditional foul pole at the RC, but T.Swift nixed it as they need it to be portable so trucks and such can be brought in for concerts. Initial reports of the new lower level seem positive though. I really hate the advertising ******** they show on TV though.

[Brownie19]

Some of that is hitter approaches changing but I think most of it is just pitchers having nastier stuff.

 

If you want to make a ton of contact in MLB, you either need generational talent or you need to sacrifice virtually all power.

 

The whole hitter launch angle revolution is sort of a response to pitchers being tougher to hit, you know. Kind of like saying "well if I can't shoot the gaps and hit .280 with 15 homers anymore, I might as well become a .240 hitter with 20+ homers"

 

I agree with this....It's odd that you still find large groups of fans who think pitching has declined, simply because they don't throw 91 and paint corners anymore. They are correct that the "art of pitching" has declined, but that's not because pitchers got worse - that's happened because you get better results throwing 95+ with a dirty slider.....whether you can paint a corner or not. Velocity seems to be the one weapon that hitters haven't solved yet - and "cutting down your swing to make contact" simply isn't the answer, unless you've got elite bat to ball skills.

[Laika]

I agree with this....It's odd that you still find large groups of fans who think pitching has declined, simply because they don't throw 91 and paint corners anymore. They are correct that the "art of pitching" has declined, but that's not because pitchers got worse - that's happened because you get better results throwing 95+ with a dirty slider.....whether you can paint a corner or not. Velocity seems to be the one weapon that hitters haven't solved yet - and "cutting down your swing to make contact" simply isn't the answer, unless you've got elite bat to ball skills.

 

So here is one thing to watch for

 

I have heard people say that "trunk rotation speed" for hitters is a rough equivalent for pitcher velocity. It's the core thing that dictates swing speed, reaction time, adjustment time in the swing. Hitters need to be able to rotate and adjust powerfully and quickly.

 

I bet we see hitters train for high performance "trunk rotation" more and more aggressively over time. And I bet we see more and more oblique injuries and rotation injuries as a result.

[Krylian]

So here is one thing to watch for

 

I have heard people say that "trunk rotation speed" for hitters is a rough equivalent for pitcher velocity. It's the core thing that dictates swing speed, reaction time, adjustment time in the swing. Hitters need to be able to rotate and adjust powerfully and quickly.

 

I bet we see hitters train for high performance "trunk rotation" more and more aggressively over time. And I bet we see more and more oblique injuries and rotation injuries as a result.

 

Molitor was great at this.

 

[Laika]

Molitor was great at this.

 

 

yeah incredible

almost like the old video is missing frames haha

 

 

https://www.drivelinebaseball.com/2020/06/rotational-acceleration-sequencing-and-the-swing/

[Olerud363]

Some of that is hitter approaches changing but I think most of it is just pitchers having nastier stuff.

 

If you want to make a ton of contact in MLB, you either need generational talent or you need to sacrifice virtually all power.

 

The whole hitter launch angle revolution is sort of a response to pitchers being tougher to hit, you know. Kind of like saying "well if I can't shoot the gaps and hit .280 with 15 homers anymore, I might as well become a .240 hitter with 20+ homers"

 

It's also just like the NBA shot selection. Evolution. I repeat this all the time, but 1985 cardinals, 1988 red sox, even1993 Blue Jays all amazing contact and batting average teams

 

But your random 220 homer team of sub-par mediocres can keep pace with them now (like 2023 cubs or something).

 

And your good team knocking 250 homers, but not historical keeps pace with the 1993 Jays.

 

So let's say they all decided to hit Don Mattingly style, and since they have lesser talent they are .280 with 13 homers (old Mattingly like). And the team hit's .280 with 120 homers... it gets you no where.

 

So is it that they can't do it? Or the math doesn't make sense to do it.

[Daniel Labude]

Manoah to AAA i guess

[G-Snarls]

Manoah to AAA i guess

 

Not enthusiastic

[HomeRunHomer]

Are they doing the exact same thing they did with him last year? Just promote him up while he continues to suck. Can't wait for his promotion back to the bigs after a bad AAA stint.

[wilko]

Manoah to AAA i guess

 

Well deserved.

[G-Snarls]

So here is one thing to watch for

 

I have heard people say that "trunk rotation speed" for hitters is a rough equivalent for pitcher velocity. It's the core thing that dictates swing speed, reaction time, adjustment time in the swing. Hitters need to be able to rotate and adjust powerfully and quickly.

 

I bet we see hitters train for high performance "trunk rotation" more and more aggressively over time. And I bet we see more and more oblique injuries and rotation injuries as a result.

 

With no data in hand I feel like few could possibly have more "trunk rotation speed" than Ohtani

[keggy]

Molitor was great at this.

 

 

Piazza could hit it 450 oppo using just his torso. Ohtani has that gift too. Probably a necessity because their positions put such a demand on their lower bodies

[Omar]

Using the Copilot AI in Windows, I asked how many games would the jays win this season.

 

You

 

How many wins will the Blue Jays have this season?

 

Copilot

 

The Toronto Blue Jays had a record of 89-73 in the 2023 season, finishing third in the AL East and securing a wild-card spot. Their performance was commendable, but what about this year?

Let’s explore some predictions and odds for the 2024 season:

 

 

1. Projected Win Total: SportsLine predicts an over/under of 87.5 wins for the Blue Jays this year.
   
2. World Series Odds: The odds for the Blue Jays winning the World Series are currently +2000.
   
3. AL Pennant Odds: Their chances of winning the AL Pennant stand at +950.
   
4. AL East Odds: In their competitive division, the Blue Jays are at +400 to clinch the AL East title.
   

Considering these factors, it’s clear that the Blue Jays are aiming high. If their starting rotation steps up and their lineup remains consistent, they could be serious contenders. Keep an eye on players like George Springer, Bo Bichette, Vladimir Guerrero Jr., and Justin Turner as they lead the charge. Let’s hope they hit it out of the park! 🚀⚾

Remember, baseball is full of surprises, and anything can happen during the 162-game gauntlet. Let’s root for the Blue Jays and see how their season unfolds! 🇨🇦👏

[G-Snarls]

AI refusing to predict the future again. Come on. We know it can LOL

[Eat My Shatkins]

 

Manoah....lol

[Terminator]

Average BJMB poster:

 

"But Terminator, the offense sucks! You and Spanky are r-words and should be panicking! We should have signed Tommy Pham! Fire Atkins....Whaaaaa!!!!"

 

The offense:

 

[Spanky99]

Average BJMB poster:

 

"But Terminator, the offense sucks! You and Spanky are r-words and should be panicking! We should have signed Tommy Pham! Fire Atkins....Whaaaaa!!!!"

 

The offense:

 

 

lol

[Brownie19]

Average BJMB poster:

 

"But Terminator, the offense sucks! You and Spanky are r-words and should be panicking! We should have signed Tommy Pham! Fire Atkins....Whaaaaa!!!!"

 

The offense:

 

 

But "it's early" Term. Atkins didn't do one thing to improve the offense we had last year and it wasn't good enough last year therefore, there's no chance it could be better this year.

[Laika]

Atkins all offseason. Probably knew Ernie and Davis were studs but didn't want to outright say "we have some total studs we don't want to block" because it would be overconfident or put too much pressure on the boys.

 

[Terminator]