Jump to content
Jays Centre
  • Create Account

Recommended Posts

Old-Timey Member
Posted

My main gripes from yesterday was the decision to bring in Mayza when Swanson looked great to finish that inning. Set up situation for Mayza to face Goldschmidt when Swanson was more than capable of retiring lefties.

 

And obviously pitching to Arenado with a base open instead of the Cardinals back up catcher was just plain stupid.

Posted
Edman is a switch hitter and is much better against lefties than RHP. 124 wRC+ career against them, obviously no Goldy though.

 

Yeah I know but the objective is just to make sure that he doesn’t have to face Goldy as his third hitter if the lefties manage exactly what they managed. Could go to someone else in a righty righty matchup.

  • 3 weeks later...
Posted
Taking out Berrios while cruising and at 77 pitches

 

Unless he injured something, the decision is inarguable.

 

He literally made a decision just to make one.

Community Moderator
Posted
Unless he injured something, the decision is inarguable.

 

He literally made a decision just to make one.

 

And it's not just retrospective second guessing on our parts

We all wanted him to keep him in live.

Posted
Unless he injured something, the decision is inarguable.

 

He literally made a decision just to make one.

 

I kind of get it. Wanting to end the start on a high note, day off tomorrow so the bullpen should have been ok to deploy. I just don’t understand why you’d pull him for Pop though. Should have been Swanson/Cimber/Romano to finish the game/keep it close.

 

Maybe Berrios’ leg was starting to hurt again. Maybe the other Bullpen guys needed rest so they went with Pop. IDK. But Swanson was warming so it seems really stupid that John decided to go with Pop because they failed to score in the 8th. Game was still 2-1 at that point and Pressly has been shaky.

Posted

If the Jays scored another run to tie it in the 8th like they should have, John probably goes with Swanson. I just don’t really understand the decision of 2-1 = Pop while 2-2 = Swanson. With a day off Thursday.

 

Why not just go Swanson?

Posted
If the Jays scored another run to tie it in the 8th like they should have, John probably goes with Swanson. I just don’t really understand the decision of 2-1 = Pop while 2-2 = Swanson. With a day off Thursday.

 

Why not just go Swanson?

 

Because he was going to show us how Pop is high leverage.... how did that work out? I was livid when they made that move, a Montoyo move.

Posted
Pop's getting a s*** load of work so far. Plz fire. Not because of Pop, but the high blood pressure.
Posted
Pop's getting a s*** load of work so far. Plz fire. Not because of Pop, but the high blood pressure.

 

There is some very good medication out there for the hypertension.

Community Moderator
Posted
Now they use AI to manage the games. The decisions have little to do with John Schneider.

 

Schneider: "When should I use Zach Pop?"

 

Chat GPT: "Every single night"

Posted
Schneider: "When should I use Zach Pop?"

 

Chat GPT: "Every single night"

 

To be fair - Pop had been lights out until last night. He was throwing the ball much better than Swanson, Bass, etc. I like what I see from Pop. I think he's a legit guy.

Posted
To be fair - Pop had been lights out until last night. He was throwing the ball much better than Swanson, Bass, etc. I like what I see from Pop. I think he's a legit guy.

 

He is. Just have to stop using him for one out and overusing him as such.

Community Moderator
Posted
To be fair - Pop had been lights out until last night. He was throwing the ball much better than Swanson, Bass, etc. I like what I see from Pop. I think he's a legit guy.

 

I do too

 

Just being silly

Posted

The Jays have played 19 games, and yet have FIVE relievers who have pitched in at least 9 games (2 of those have pitched in 10 games). Swanson is one of them with 9 appearances and I remember at least 2 instances this season where he warmed up yet never came in.

 

By comparison, the Yankees have also played 19 games after today and have only 2 relievers with 8 appearances to lead the team. Keep in mind half of their rotation is injured.

 

The Jays have a rotation filled with SP's on free agent contracts but want to overwork the pen that they rarely invest any money in. Schneider taking Berrios out after 77 pitches when he was cruising just to bring in two guys who both got their 10th appearance in 19 games on the same night is ridiculous. This has to be an organizational thing. Buntoyo and Schneider are cut from the same cloth. Schneider is obviously better between the two but that isn't saying much.

Community Moderator
Posted
The Jays have played 19 games, and yet have FIVE relievers who have pitched in at least 9 games (2 of those have pitched in 10 games). Swanson is one of them with 9 appearances and I remember at least 2 instances this season where he warmed up yet never came in.

 

By comparison, the Yankees have also played 19 games after today and have only 2 relievers with 8 appearances to lead the team. Keep in mind half of their rotation is injured.

 

The Jays have a rotation filled with SP's on free agent contracts but want to overwork the pen that they rarely invest any money in. Schneider taking Berrios out after 77 pitches when he was cruising just to bring in two guys who both got their 10th appearance in 19 games on the same night is ridiculous. This has to be an organizational thing. Buntoyo and Schneider are cut from the same cloth. Schneider is obviously better between the two but that isn't saying much.

 

The nice thing about not investing money in the pen is that you CAN kind of use and abuse most of your relievers. Most of the RPs in the pen, the team probably should just ride into the ground. The exceptions might be Romano, Swanson, and Mayza. Romano because he is the only elite RP, Swanson because his effectiveness + years of control make taking care of him worthwhile, and Mayza because of his function in the pen and organization depth.

 

Like, I don't care if Cimber throws 80 innings this year and neither should Cimber or the Blue Jays. If Anthony Bass goes down in August from being overworked, so what.

 

Pop has 5 appearances this year with less than 1 inning pitches. And depending on how he is getting outs, he might be a guy who you can use often.

Posted
Pulling Manoah at 85 pitches in the middle of a shutout and putting in perhaps our worst reliever to face the bottom of the order may be his stupidest move yet. I miss John Gibbons so much.
Posted
Schneider did what he did in Game 2 of the WC series and got an extension. Unfortunately he's managing the way the front office wants him to. Berrios being pulled at under 80 pitches and now Manoah today is going to happen all season as the relievers continue to struggle either due to excessive use or just not being good enough (it will be hard to tell which is which sometimes given how often they'll be used).
Posted
Can't really blame Schneider for pulling a starter that's rolling and well under 100 pitches. Our bullpen is absolute f***ing nails and has been for years now.

 

When you have a chance to use Yimi 2 days in a row you do it

Posted
Pulling Manoah at 85 pitches in the middle of a shutout and putting in perhaps our worst reliever to face the bottom of the order may be his stupidest move yet. I miss John Gibbons so much.

 

If it were Gausman, he would've left him in.

If it were Manoah of 2022, he would've left him in.

 

He's being cautious with Manoah, Berrios, Kikuchi this year so far. Kikuchi, cause his confidence issues are well documented. Manoah and Berrios cause they've been terrible for multiple starts and he'd rather yank them early and have them feeling good about themselves. Today blew up in his face, but I understand his rationale.

Posted
If it were Gausman, he would've left him in.

If it were Manoah of 2022, he would've left him in.

 

He's being cautious with Manoah, Berrios, Kikuchi this year so far. Kikuchi, cause his confidence issues are well documented. Manoah and Berrios cause they've been terrible for multiple starts and he'd rather yank them early and have them feeling good about themselves. Today blew up in his face, but I understand his rationale.

 

I'd hate to think that Manoah is that fragile. I don't accept that rationale at all. It was an unacceptably poor decision and can't be justified. It probably cost us a win too. Watch it bite us at the end of the season.

Posted
I'd hate to think that Manoah is that fragile. I don't accept that rationale at all. It was an unacceptably poor decision and can't be justified. It probably cost us a win too. Watch it bite us at the end of the season.

 

Having a reliever ready and putting one in are 2 different things. He could have easily put Manoah out there and pulled him after the first baserunner reached him if he was using kid gloves with Manoah, which he shouldn't. We were up by 2.

Posted
The nice thing about not investing money in the pen is that you CAN kind of use and abuse most of your relievers. Most of the RPs in the pen, the team probably should just ride into the ground. The exceptions might be Romano, Swanson, and Mayza. Romano because he is the only elite RP, Swanson because his effectiveness + years of control make taking care of him worthwhile, and Mayza because of his function in the pen and organization depth.

 

Like, I don't care if Cimber throws 80 innings this year and neither should Cimber or the Blue Jays. If Anthony Bass goes down in August from being overworked, so what.

 

Pop has 5 appearances this year with less than 1 inning pitches. And depending on how he is getting outs, he might be a guy who you can use often.

 

Other nice things about not investing money in the pen, in addition to being able to abuse most of your relievers, are missing the playoffs by a game and blowing a 7-1 lead to get knocked out of the playoffs.

Posted
Don’t really get the complaints from today’s decision, Manoah would be totally fine to finish the 8th I agree but Garcia got porched and the offence took the day off. Nothing you can do about it. Gaus tomorrow excellent chance to win the series.
Posted
Don’t really get the complaints from today’s decision, Manoah would be totally fine to finish the 8th I agree but Garcia got porched and the offence took the day off. Nothing you can do about it. Gaus tomorrow excellent chance to win the series.

 

Good way to look at things. I agree Garcia isn’t bad like people are saying, he’s had some bad luck. I don’t like using him on back-to-back days though when we didn’t need to.

 

We lost today because of the offense. Win the series tomorrow

Posted
Schneider: "When should I use Zach Pop?"

 

Chat GPT: "Every single night"

 

Me: If I'm John Schneider, manager of the blue jays, when should I use Zach Pop?

 

ChatGPT:

As the manager of the Toronto Blue Jays, you would have the final say on when to use Zach Pop in games. Here are some situations in which you might consider bringing him in:

 

1. Facing right-handed batters: Zach Pop has a track record of being effective against right-handed batters. If the opposing team has a lineup with several right-handed hitters due up, Pop could be a good option to bring in for relief appearances.

 

2. Late innings of a close game: If the Blue Jays are holding a narrow lead or the game is tied in the later innings, Pop could be a solid option to bring in for relief. His ability to generate ground balls could be useful in getting crucial outs and preserving the lead.

 

3. High-pressure situations: If the game is on the line and the Blue Jays need a big out, Pop could be a viable option to bring in. His fastball that sits in the mid-90s and his slider that can generate swings and misses could make him effective in high-pressure situations.

 

4. Versus lower part of the opposing lineup: Pop can induce ground balls at a high rate, and as such, he could be a good option to bring in to face the lower part of the opposing lineup, where there may be weaker hitters who are more likely to hit ground balls.

 

Ultimately, the decision of when to use Zach Pop would depend on the game situation, matchups, and overall strategy, and would be up to your discretion as the manager of the Blue Jays.

Posted
Me: If I'm John Schneider, manager of the blue jays, when should I use Zach Pop?

 

ChatGPT:

As the manager of the Toronto Blue Jays, you would have the final say on when to use Zach Pop in games. Here are some situations in which you might consider bringing him in:

 

1. Facing right-handed batters: Zach Pop has a track record of being effective against right-handed batters. If the opposing team has a lineup with several right-handed hitters due up, Pop could be a good option to bring in for relief appearances.

 

2. Late innings of a close game: If the Blue Jays are holding a narrow lead or the game is tied in the later innings, Pop could be a solid option to bring in for relief. His ability to generate ground balls could be useful in getting crucial outs and preserving the lead.

 

3. High-pressure situations: If the game is on the line and the Blue Jays need a big out, Pop could be a viable option to bring in. His fastball that sits in the mid-90s and his slider that can generate swings and misses could make him effective in high-pressure situations.

 

4. Versus lower part of the opposing lineup: Pop can induce ground balls at a high rate, and as such, he could be a good option to bring in to face the lower part of the opposing lineup, where there may be weaker hitters who are more likely to hit ground balls.

 

Ultimately, the decision of when to use Zach Pop would depend on the game situation, matchups, and overall strategy, and would be up to your discretion as the manager of the Blue Jays.

 

Does Chat GPT have a voice? I read all of that imagining Siri's voice.

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now
The Jays Centre Caretaker Fund
The Jays Centre Caretaker Fund

You all care about this site. The next step is caring for it. We’re asking you to caretake this site so it can remain the premier Blue Jays community on the internet.

×
×
  • Create New...