Toronto Blue Jays Roster Discussion (2022)

[LGBJ29]

Boboa was the Mets beat writer for years. He’s tied in. It could also be Nimmo’s agent trying to put the squeeze on the Mets by leaking this to his media buddy.

 

Google Mike Boboa mets

[Ehjays]

[Vdubfan]

TL, If he's fake account he also had Gausman last time to the Jays before anyone else. Oh well...

 

Welcome back btw.

 

No he didn’t, lol. If someone reports that a player has signed with a team (with incorrect terms btw), FIVE days before that player actually signs, the report wasn’t correct. It was a guess which seemed plausible in team and term, soon before the lockout was about to start. This meant it was a good time to throw s*** against the wall given that everyone expected a lot of signings very soon at that time.

 

Also, his profile pic is actually a former FIFA exec. Boboa isn’t a real person.

[Krylian]

 

I was fooled into thinking we'd get Darvish. I will never again believe we're going to land a elite talent from the Asian market.

[Captain_Obvious]

I was fooled into thinking we'd get Darvish. I will never again believe we're going to land a elite talent from the Asian market.

 

Ohtani was a possibility as well. I remember reading the FO made a pitch presentation to him.

[Grant77]

I was fooled into thinking we'd get Darvish. I will never again believe we're going to land a elite talent from the Asian market.

 

How quickly you forget about elite pitcher Shun Yamaguchi.

[Krylian]

How quickly you forget about elite pitcher Shun Yamaguchi.

 

Not quickly enough

[John_Havok]

I was fooled into thinking we'd get Darvish. I will never again believe we're going to land a elite talent from the Asian market.

 

If you want that extra nugget of hope, he doesn’t have to go through the posting system, so he’s a true free agent. No posting fee, just a contract.

[Eat My Shatkins]

Now I want senga on the Jays so I doubt it happens lol

[G-Snarls]

Ohtani was a possibility as well. I remember reading the FO made a pitch presentation to him.

 

29 teams did

 

Only the Orioles decided not to

[Ehjays]

Vinny Capra Re-Signs With Blue Jays

By Maury Ahram | November 20, 2022 at 12:13pm CDT

 

Infielder Vinny Capra is re-signing with the Blue Jays on a Minor League deal, reports Robert Murray of Fansided. Capra had been non-tendered by the Jays on Friday and had received “strong interest elsewhere” before opting to remain with Toronto, per Murray.

 

Capra, a 20th-round pick in the 2018 draft, made his MLB debut in early May. He had one hit, two walks, and a strikeout in seven plate appearances before being sent down to Triple-A Buffalo near the end of the month. He had three separate stints on the 7-day IL before undergoing left middle finger tendon surgery in early October and being placed on the 60-day IL.

 

Despite several injuries, Capra had a productive season at Buffalo, hitting .283/.378/.403 with five homers and six doubles. Perhaps most impressive was his low strikeout rate (13.1%) and high walk rate (13.1%). Capra will likely receive an invite to Spring Training and attempt to earn a spot on the Blue Jays’ bench for the 2023 season.

[Krylian]

Vinny Capra Re-Signs With Blue Jays

By Maury Ahram | November 20, 2022 at 12:13pm CDT

 

Infielder Vinny Capra is re-signing with the Blue Jays on a Minor League deal, reports Robert Murray of Fansided. Capra had been non-tendered by the Jays on Friday and had received “strong interest elsewhere” before opting to remain with Toronto, per Murray.

 

Capra, a 20th-round pick in the 2018 draft, made his MLB debut in early May. He had one hit, two walks, and a strikeout in seven plate appearances before being sent down to Triple-A Buffalo near the end of the month. He had three separate stints on the 7-day IL before undergoing left middle finger tendon surgery in early October and being placed on the 60-day IL.

 

Despite several injuries, Capra had a productive season at Buffalo, hitting .283/.378/.403 with five homers and six doubles. Perhaps most impressive was his low strikeout rate (13.1%) and high walk rate (13.1%). Capra will likely receive an invite to Spring Training and attempt to earn a spot on the Blue Jays’ bench for the 2023 season.

 

...sure

[Jonn]

Vinny was beating off teams with a stick

[Jays24]

Hurry up and sign a CFer so I can judge the Teo trade properly. Longer we wait, the more that trade pisses me off lol.

[Stangstag]

Hurry up and sign a CFer so I can judge the Teo trade properly. Longer we wait, the more that trade pisses me off lol.

 

Same lol. The Teo trade in a vacuum is not a good one for 2023 (obviously 2024 and beyond we come out on top).

 

Need to see who they bring in for the OF to see if the trade was worth it

[jaysblue]

Same lol. The Teo trade in a vacuum is not a good one for 2023 (obviously 2024 and beyond we come out on top).

 

Need to see who they bring in for the OF to see if the trade was worth it

 

If Teo posts a 4-5 WAR season in 2023, then short term will benefit the Mariners.

 

Jays have to hope Swanson posts a 1.5 WAR season and is a fixture in the bullpen. As well, Jays got to use that extra money wisely on another OF. If they do, then Jays IMO won't regret trading Teo. Jays pretty much improve the bullpen without losing too much in the outfield (even if they sign a lesser OF than Teo).

[John_Havok]

If Teo posts a 4-5 WAR season in 2023, then short term will benefit the Mariners.

 

Jays have to hope Swanson posts a 1.5 WAR season and is a fixture in the bullpen. As well, Jays got to use that extra money wisely on another OF. If they do, then Jays IMO won't regret trading Teo. Jays pretty much improve the bullpen without losing too much in the outfield (even if they sign a lesser OF than Teo).

 

For Teo to post a 5 WAR season, he would need to have the best season of his career, both on O and D. I doubt that happens. I suspect Teo would be more in the 2-3 WAR range again.

[glory]

Hurry up and sign a CFer so I can judge the Teo trade properly. Longer we wait, the more that trade pisses me off lol.

 

Probably depends on when Nimmo signs. He might be the Jays top target (logically, not because of Boboa), and if they fail on him, then they'll move on to other options.

[glory]

Latest from Rosenthal re: Arizona centerfielders.

 

I'm not sure how good McCarthy is, as his Savant page looks very blue other than speed, but sounds like he'd be the most realistic trade target from the D-Backs.

 

Nimmo is the leading free agent in center field, but not the only option for rival clubs in need at that position. The Diamondbacks, whose roster includes four left-handed hitting center fielders, are open to a trade.

 

Corbin Carroll, who had an .830 OPS last season in his first 115 major-league plate appearances, is off-limits, according to sources familiar the team’s thinking. But three others with the ability to play center — Daulton Varsho, Alek Thomas and Jake McCarthy — are in play.

 

Of those, Varsho is perhaps the least likely to move. The Diamondbacks, hellbent on improvement after three straight losing seasons, would find it difficult to replace the 27 homers he hit in 2022. Varsho also is projected to earn $2.8 million in the first of his four years of salary arbitration, making him less attractive to low-revenue clubs.

 

McCarthy and Thomas were back-to-back picks by the Diamondbacks in 2018, McCarthy going 39th overall out of the University of Virginia, Thomas 63rd overall out of Mount Carmel High in Chicago. Thomas emerged as a superior prospect, but McCarthy — perhaps the best hitter of the group, and the best against left-handed pitching — outperformed him last season in their major-league debuts.

 

To trade one of their center fielders, the Diamondbacks will require significant major-league help, be it pitchers, right-handed power hitters and/or others. Club officials could always keep the group together if they don’t get an offer they deem worthy. Thomas’ value, in particular, should only rise if he figures it out offensively. And the Diamondbacks expect him to do just that.

[Stangstag]

For Teo to post a 5 WAR season, he would need to have the best season of his career, both on O and D. I doubt that happens. I suspect Teo would be more in the 2-3 WAR range again.

 

Even still, if the Jays bring in a replacement that puts up 3.5 WAR and Swanson gives us 1.5 WAR, its a solid trade.

 

Now if they don’t bring in a replacement OF…

[Jimcanuck]

Jake McCarthy is 25, Alek Thomas is 22.

 

Alek has the far superior MiLB numbers. A comparison of their 2022 MLB results needs to consider the .349 BABIP for McCarthy and .263 BABIP for Thomas.

 

Thomas all the way.

[Krylian]

Hurry up and sign a CFer so I can judge the Teo trade properly. Longer we wait, the more that trade pisses me off lol.

 

Not entirely sure why you need a signing to judge a trade. Value for value the trade was not good...unless that's all Teo is really worth on the market, which is kinda hard to believe. The signing can happen whether the Teo trade was made right away or not. A better trade (if available) could have been sought after later on. If this truly is all Teo is worth then that's one thing, but it sure doesn't smell good. Hopefully Teo bombs (cause f*** Seattle), Swanson continues to be effective, and Macko continues to develop and becomes a real blue chipper.

[Pendleton]

Jake McCarthy is 25, Alek Thomas is 22 and has an additional year of control.

 

Alek has the far superior MiLB numbers. A comparison of their 2022 MLB results needs to consider the .349 BABIP for McCarthy and .263 BABIP for Thomas.

 

Thomas all the way.

 

I'd assume Thomas is probably far more difficult to obtain, either more costly or possibly just not available.

 

Acquiring a cheap controllable guy like McCarthy pairs nicely with signing a wild card like Bellinger in my opinion. You pencil in the latter to start and the former as an improvement to our former bench OFs. If you get to a certain point in the year and it turns out Bellinger continues to be fried, you have a more than adequate stop gap starter already in place.

[Jimcanuck]

I'd assume Thomas is probably far more difficult to obtain, either more costly or possibly just not available.

 

Acquiring a cheap controllable guy like McCarthy pairs nicely with signing a wild card like Bellinger in my opinion. You pencil in the latter to start and the former as an improvement to our former bench OFs. If you get to a certain point in the year and it turns out Bellinger continues to be fried, you have a more than adequate stop gap starter already in place.

 

Rosenthal's piece suggests Thomas is available.

 

Rather get one or the other of Thomas or Bellinger, Jays already have Merrifield as a capable OF backup.

[Terminator]

Not entirely sure why you need a signing to judge a trade. Value for value the trade was not good...unless that's all Teo is really worth on the market, which is kinda hard to believe. The signing can happen whether the Teo trade was made right away or not. A better trade (if available) could have been sought after later on. If this truly is all Teo is worth then that's one thing, but it sure doesn't smell good. Hopefully Teo bombs (cause f*** Seattle), Swanson continues to be effective, and Macko continues to develop and becomes a real blue chipper.

 

Value for value the trade looks great. Teo for one year of control probably would have gotten something like 22-25 million. He's projected to make 14. So he's like 8 mil in surplus value. Swanson for 3 years would probably get more than Montero, so like 3 years and 35 mil. No idea what Swanson will get in arb over the coming years but this year he's probably worth around 7 mil in surplus value. We also got a Top 10 prospect. The trade was a fleece.

[Spanky99]

Value for value the trade looks great. Teo for one year of control probably would have gotten something like 22-25 million. He's projected to make 14. So he's like 8 mil in surplus value. Swanson for 3 years would probably get more than Montero, so like 3 years and 35 mil. No idea what Swanson will get in arb over the coming years but this year he's probably worth around 7 mil in surplus value. We also got a Top 10 prospect. The trade was a fleece.

 

Yeah, there's many ways to look at that trade from outside the box also, I get what Jays24 means, I'm still waiting for the other shoe to drop, to get a better feel on that trade process. I'm of thought this will look very good for the Jays overall. As you say, it's already looking like a good trade, but moving Teo isn't ideal in a win now season if we don't see a significant upgrades with the money saved.

[Terminator]

Probably tough to get Bellinger to sign here to be anything other than at least a strong side platoon bat. I don't think we get him as a 4th OF. I think he'd work in a platoon but it's comical for everyone screaming for a left handed bat to also think that Bellinger and his garbage offense is going to somehow balance the lineup lol. But anyway:

 

Against RHP:

2B: Whit

CF: Bellinger

RF: Springer

 

Against LHP:

2B: Espinal

CF: Springer

LF: Whit

 

The positions are approximate, maybe Gurriel is in LF and Whit in RF or however you want to do it. But please note that in all scenarios Craig Biggio's son will be riding pine, traded to a non-contender or demoted to Buffalo and will be out of baseball in 2 years (his dad will get him a job sorting mail in the Astros organization).

[Spanky99]

Probably tough to get Bellinger to sign here to be anything other than at least a strong side platoon bat. I don't think we get him as a 4th OF. I think he'd work in a platoon but it's comical for everyone screaming for a left handed bat to also think that Bellinger and his garbage offense is going to somehow balance the lineup lol. But anyway:

 

Against RHP:

2B: Whit

CF: Bellinger

RF: Springer

 

Against LHP:

2B: Espinal

CF: Springer

LF: Whit

 

The positions are approximate, maybe Gurriel is in LF and Whit in RF or however you want to do it. But please note that in all scenarios Craig Biggio's son will be riding pine, traded to a non-contender or demoted to Buffalo and will be out of baseball in 2 years (his dad will get him a job sorting mail in the Astros organization).

 

They should non-tender that guy, amirite?

[Terminator]

They should non-tender that guy, amirite?

 

Not necessarily. Riding pine or getting sent down to Buffalo are other viable options. And who knows, maybe Manfred wakes up in a good mood one day and decides to juice the baseball again. The Didi's and Cavan's of the league could become useful again.

[John_Havok]

What do think Bellinger ends up getting this season? Obviously a lower number with incentives and/or an opt-out, but what number would a team even be comfortable with as a base salary?

 

8 million? 10?