Toronto Blue Jays Roster Discussion (2022)

[saskjayfan]

Yes, the $15M base is probably high, even for an open market, but there will be significant incentives attached.

 

I've convince myself we should sign Bellinger. Probably stupid, but that's where I'm at..lol

 

Who's pumped for the world cup!

[Jays24]

Shits getting real.

 

 

Is this even a legit source? I am lost without a blue checkmark beside his name lol

[Omar]

Is this even a legit source? I am lost without a blue checkmark beside his name lol

 

Boboa was the Mets beat writer for years. He’s tied in. It could also be Nimmo’s agent trying to put the squeeze on the Mets by leaking this to his media buddy.

[MON4NHLTOR4MLB]

Convince me why we should give Brandon Nimmo a hefty contract? I feel like it’s going to be a massive overpay

[saskjayfan]

Convince me why we should give Brandon Nimmo a hefty contract? I feel like itÂ’s going to be a massive overpay

 

I agree, I'd rather spend money on a really good starting pitcher, probably through trade and sign a bellinger than commit long term to Nimmo. Nimmo's a really good player. I just don't think that's where we should spend our money.

[BTS]

Nimmo has poor to middling power, doesn't provide value on the bases, and might be a hair above average defensively in the OF. You're basically buying contact and plate discipline. This feels like a player you ride through arb, and not one you lock up for 100M unto his mid 30s.

[Jays24]

I want to see an above average fielder at CF so I'd rather go after Kiermaier or Bellinger just for their defense and worry about offense from the other spots.

 

As much as I didn't care for Pillar at the plate, I was more than happy with him being our CFer.

[glory]

Convince me why we should give Brandon Nimmo a hefty contract? I feel like it’s going to be a massive overpay

 

Jeff Passan seems to think that Nimmo's deal will resemble Shin Soo Choo's, and I want nothing to do with that type of contract for him. I think the Jays interest in him is probably real, but if the numbers get into the six year range and well over $100m, then I would hope the Jays pass.

 

I might feel more comfortable with a Nimmo overpay if at least one of Vlad/Bo were extended, but to have that lingering and then add another $100m contract to a guy in his 30s is playing with fire.

[Daniel Labude]

Nimmo has poor to middling power, doesn't provide value on the bases, and might be a hair above average defensively in the OF. You're basically buying contact and plate discipline. This feels like a player you ride through arb, and not one you lock up for 100M unto his mid 30s.

 

So we would get Soto, but with better contact ability....

[Deadpool]

A top 10 MVP finish is minimum a 4+ WAR season, if you're already signing Bellinger to a discounted rate (at least $6M below his projected arb contract) then the team would take an elite season under $25M for a one year deal any time that's offered.

 

All it takes is a couple of idiot sportswriters to get someone into the top 10 because they're super into RBIs or something. If he puts up a 4+ WAR season and actually deserves the top 10, sure I give him that bonus.

[harvey16]

I would 100% be on board for going after Bellinger on a short term deal. Maybe a 1 year $12M with a team option for another year with a $2M buyout. I definitely think he is worth the risk, and even if his bat doesn't come around, he's still an elite defender and gives us speed on the bases and no dumb speed like Teo.

[BTS]

So we would get Soto, but with better contact ability....

 

Soto's xSLG was 95th percentile in a down year

[max silver]

Nimmo has poor to middling power, doesn't provide value on the bases, and might be a hair above average defensively in the OF. You're basically buying contact and plate discipline. This feels like a player you ride through arb, and not one you lock up for 100M unto his mid 30s.

 

I can still easily talk myself into getting on board with a Nimmo signing though as he still has plenty to offer. Early projections have him at about 4.5 wins for 2023 so he represents a likely sizeable upgrade over Teoscar in overall value. Apparently Zips likes him enough to project an above average performance in year 5 as well so it seems unlikely he's going to face a severe aging curve.

 

Of course the elephant in the room is the past lack of durability. This should be baked directly into his expected contract with lower offers coming in compared to a player with a less checkered injury history.

[Stangstag]

I want to see an above average fielder at CF so I'd rather go after Kiermaier or Bellinger just for their defense and worry about offense from the other spots.

 

As much as I didn't care for Pillar at the plate, I was more than happy with him being our CFer.

 

Definitely agree with this line of thinking. The offense is still elite without Teo.

[jaysguy44]

I want to see an above average fielder at CF so I'd rather go after Kiermaier or Bellinger just for their defense and worry about offense from the other spots.

 

As much as I didn't care for Pillar at the plate, I was more than happy with him being our CFer.

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[Omar]

[Omar]

Here is Nimmo's savant page. I don't know if anyone has yet looked at his spray charts and hit types to see how he would fare against no shift next season. If the Jays are truly all in on him I'm sure they've analyzed that already.

 

[TwistedLogic]

Boboa was the Mets beat writer for years.

 

[jaysblue]

Andrew B is a better sign than Brandon Nimmo at over $100M.

[Terminator]

Andrew B is a better sign than Brandon Nimmo at over $100M.

 

Ok I think we’ve gone too far on the Nimmo hate with this one lol

[Eat My Shatkins]

Man the Jays current regime has done a s*** job of developing home grown OFs

 

Too bad the they can't make the Teo trade to save money and just promote a top prospect to take his spot, then spend the $25-30 million a year on starting pitching.

[Solaxys]

Still say we trade not sign (if we want a long-term option) or do what we did in 2021 - sign a 1-yr deal for someone looking to prove themselves (Bellinger)

Nimmo is just not a good fit imo - history of injuries when we already have two people that need to be rotated into DH is kinda eh + wants a good lucrative deal (we have a lot of money in contracts as is and have to figure out what to do with 3B next year + vlad/bo contracts)

 

We def need a 3rd starter - can't have a backend of 3 wildcards in Berrios/White/Kikuchi.

Can only shuttle 2 of those at a time (whoever's hot), money should go here (I haven't heard any murmurs of trading for a C for a P yet aside from Lopez from Marlins who will want Kirk) - Senga/Rodon (problem with Senga is I don't think he has been stretched out to be a regular 5-day 7+inning starter)

Or take a 1-yr flier here too - Syndegaard, Manaea, Clevinger

 

We also prolly need another bp arm - Heaney with his nice 13.62 K/9 (though maybe this can be a trade deadline thing - see if Pearson can stay healthy first)

 

If we clear up Kirk through trade, can also get someone like Josh Bell/Michael Brantley as lefty DHs (Who can play 1B/OF respectively when Vlad/Springer need to DH respectively)

Edited November 19, 2022 by Solaxys

[Ehjays]

I want to see an above average fielder at CF so I'd rather go after Kiermaier or Bellinger just for their defense and worry about offense from the other spots.

 

As much as I didn't care for Pillar at the plate, I was more than happy with him being our CFer.

 

I cant picture myself ever cheering for that scumbag KK, these come to mind amongst a lot of others. I think he would be a negative effect on the clubhouse.

 

 

[InsideThePark]

Man the Jays current regime has done a s*** job of developing home grown OFs

 

Too bad the they can't make the Teo trade to save money and just promote a top prospect to take his spot, then spend the $25-30 million a year on starting pitching.

 

He likely won’t be ready for another year but how nice would it have been to have Zac Veen ready to take over in 2024 when Gurriel is a FA like we all wanted from that 2020 draft

[Omar]

Still say we trade not sign (if we want a long-term option) or do what we did in 2021 - sign a 1-yr deal for someone looking to prove themselves (Bellinger)

Nimmo is just not a good fit imo - history of injuries when we already have two people that need to be rotated into DH is kinda eh + wants a good lucrative deal (we have a lot of money in contracts as is and have to figure out what to do with 3B next year + vlad/bo contracts)

 

We def need a 3rd starter - can't have a backend of 3 wildcards in Berrios/White/Kikuchi.

Can only shuttle 2 of those at a time (whoever's hot), money should go here (I haven't heard any murmurs of trading for a C for a P yet aside from Lopez from Marlins who will want Kirk) - Senga/Rodon (problem with Senga is I don't think he has been stretched out to be a regular 5-day 7+inning starter)

Or take a 1-yr flier here too - Syndegaard, Manaea, Clevinger

 

We also prolly need another bp arm - Heaney with his nice 13.62 K/9 (though maybe this can be a trade deadline thing - see if Pearson can stay healthy first)

 

If we clear up Kirk through trade, can also get someone like Josh Bell/Michael Brantley as lefty DHs (Who can play 1B/OF respectively when Vlad/Springer need to DH respectively)

 

Nimmo's injuries were kind of wierd though. Collapsed lung and then he had some sort of disc in his neck problem. So yeah he is sort of suspect. I think Atkins will be using his trade chips for arms and spending on an outfielder. He has to spend first though to get the jump on other teams. I know it's a minority opinion but going with Benintendi and giving Springer another year in CF isn't the worst thing in the world. Especially if you don't want to overpay for Nimmo, which you kind of have to if you want him.

[Omar]

TL, If he's fake account he also had Gausman last time to the Jays before anyone else. Oh well...

 

Welcome back btw.

[Laika]

Man the Jays current regime has done a s*** job of developing home grown OFs

 

Too bad the they can't make the Teo trade to save money and just promote a top prospect to take his spot, then spend the $25-30 million a year on starting pitching.

 

Not really a s*** job of developing… they just don’t draft them very often

[Ehjays]

Updated my payroll estimate chart for another community and thought to cross-post it here in case people might find it useful!

 

 

Time to move on from Richards Thornton, Kay, and in some degree Hatch and let the other guys have a shot like Zulu Gage etc. I know we need starting pitching depth but hopefully that depth is White and Kikuchi. Also if relief pitching is selling high right now, you may be able to add one of these guys to a package. if not lets just move on and DFA them. Heck, Oakland took Kirby Snead as part of the haul for Chapman, maybe we can send a couple of these pitchers to Oakland for Ramon Laureano who has 3 years left.

[max silver]

Nimmo's injuries were kind of wierd though. Collapsed lung and then he had some sort of disc in his neck problem. So yeah he is sort of suspect. I think Atkins will be using his trade chips for arms and spending on an outfielder. He has to spend first though to get the jump on other teams. I know it's a minority opinion but going with Benintendi and giving Springer another year in CF isn't the worst thing in the world. Especially if you don't want to overpay for Nimmo, which you kind of have to if you want him.

 

The likely 2+ win performance gap between Nimmo and the other non-Judge free agent outfield targets has me increasingly wishing for a Nimmo signing. This team is at the point where extra wins are becoming increasingly important. I have to assume that the front office would be factoring in potential extension costs for Vlad/Bo/Manoah etc. when making any more major free agent signings.

 

I think that Barger can be a very important piece of the puzzle if he continues his offensive surge and forces his way onto the 26 man roster. His skillset sounds ready made for third base, so his continued development might allow the front office to let Chapman walk when he reaches free agency.

[gruber92]

One of Barger, Horowitz or Lukes are going to be a pleasant surprise contributer next season.