Robbie Ray to sign with the Mariners for $115M over 5 years

[TwistedLogic]

[RobinThicc]

Interesting. Im guessing the Jays liked Gausman more than Ray?

[Jays24]

Wow... anyone surprised we went with Gausman with the contracts being so similar?

[mellowgold]

Thought he'd get a little more. Sucks he's leaving but happy he's out of the division, at least.

[G-Snarls]

Interesting. Im guessing the Jays liked Gausman more than Ray?

 

Maybe

 

Or about equal but they felt they had a better chance of signing Gaussman

[G-Snarls]

Wow... anyone surprised we went with Gausman with the contracts being so similar?

 

Gaussman may have been more interested in signing here

[philly30]

Interesting. Im guessing the Jays liked Gausman more than Ray?

 

Gausman will be better but losing Semien will hurt, I don't see a good enough replacement

[Stottlemyres_Bloody_Chin]

This could be another Edwin/Morales situation. We probably could have had Ray back for 110/5. Cant see him choosing M's over us at similar money.

 

Did we jump the gun on KG? I'd rather have Ray.

 

I worry KG signing could be a disaster

[Stottlemyres_Bloody_Chin]

I would love to be wrong on this obvously

[BTS]

I trust Gausman more than Ray going forward. As good as Ray was, there are two major red flags: he's a two-pitch pitcher, and his command has abandoned him for entire seasons at a time in the past.

[Ray]

Gausman + draft pick at $110M > Ray at $115M.

[Jays24]

Gaussman may have been more interested in signing here

 

Well... we saved 5 million overall AND got a compensation pick. We don't get that pick if we bring back Ray.

[Stangstag]

Wow... anyone surprised we went with Gausman with the contracts being so similar?

 

Maybe everyone thought he was gonna wait until after meeting with the Angels? I guess that never happened lol

[John_Havok]

Opt out after 3 years, first 2 years full no trade clause and a trade bonus if he gets moved after the no trade clause expires.

[glory]

Interesting. Im guessing the Jays liked Gausman more than Ray?

 

Possibly. Atkins tried to sign Gausman last season, and could have been trying to acquire him longer than that for all we know. He may have just preferred Gausman to Ray, or maybe Ray wanted more from the Jays than he took from the Mariners. Either way, I think the Jays made the right call here. Ray just has too much potential volatility in performance for me.

[Stottlemyres_Bloody_Chin]

You guys raise some good points. I just hope the new Gausman is the real Gausman. Whereas Ray used to be good and found it again in Toronto, Gausman was meh until San Fran

[TwistedLogic]

The Jays offered Gausman $40M over three years last offseason. They offered Ray $8M over one year.

 

It's pretty clear they've liked Gausman more as a pitcher for a long time and maybe their internal projections still like Gausman more.

[Virgil_Hiltz]

Interesting. Im guessing the Jays liked Gausman more than Ray?

 

or maybe the last few days the Jays never wanted this to drag out too long with Ray and just went with someone 100% certain to sign here and not miss out on either player.

[jaysguy44]

Gausman + draft pick at $110M > Ray at $115M.

This

[Sammy225]

It would be interested to know if the Jays preferred Gausman over Ray or Ray preferred other teams over the Jays. Either way I think I'm happy with Gausman + the pick.

[wilko]

Interesting... I thought Ray would sign for a bit more.

[Brownie19]

You guys raise some good points. I just hope the new Gausman is the real Gausman. Whereas Ray used to be good and found it again in Toronto, Gausman was meh until San Fran

 

Have you actually looked at their stats? Since 2016 fWAR

 

Ray 3.3, 3.3, 0.9, 2.3, -0.4, 3.9

Gausman 3.1, 2.6, 2.3, 1.6, 1.6, 4.8

 

They are both 2 pitch pitchers - Gausman's shown significantly better command over his career, while Ray's overcome the walks by striking out more.

 

Ray's control was the best of his career (BY FAR) last year, while he had an extremely unsustainable LOB%.

[Jimcanuck]

It would be interested to know if the Jays preferred Gausman over Ray or Ray preferred other teams over the Jays. Either way I think I'm happy with Gausman + the pick.

 

My spidy sense is that Ray preferred other teams. Perhaps because of the whole Covid, border, Buffalo Blue Jays hassle and the potential for it to continue to some degree.

[connorp]

I trust Gausman more than Ray going forward. As good as Ray was, there are two major red flags: he's a two-pitch pitcher, and his command has abandoned him for entire seasons at a time in the past.

 

I mean he’s also got a historic K rate and Gausman has a set of his own red flags.. it’s definitely not a clear cut choice at the very least IMO

[Virgil_Hiltz]

My spidy sense is that Ray preferred other teams. Perhaps because of the whole Covid, border, Buffalo Blue Jays hassle and the potential for it to continue to some degree.

 

I read he was not vaccinated so thats probably has a lot to do with it.

[Stangstag]

I read he was not vaccinated so thats probably has a lot to do with it.

 

Jesus christ is his vaccination

[Jimcanuck]

I read he was not vaccinated so thats probably has a lot to do with it.

 

Only so many nose swabs a man can take.

[connorp]

I read he was not vaccinated so thats probably has a lot to do with it.

 

Dang it. This may be it then. May as well be a baby eater up there

[Stangstag]

I view Gausman as slightly safer than Ray because he can get opposite handed batters out more effectively. A RHP that can neutralize LHBs is safer to me because that's the hardest thing for a RHP to do.

 

Idk how important this would be in the decision-making process, but the teams in our division seem very heavy on RHB. Maybe. RHP makes more sense to invest in over a LHP.

 

Judge, Stanton, Sanchez, Voit, Bogaerts, Martinez, Mancini, etc.

 

IIRC Ray didn’t pitch so well against the Yankees last year, especially down the stretch

[The Iceman]

Gausman + draft pick at $110M > Ray + a draft pick at $115M.

 

fixed it