Blue Jays sign George Springer to a 6 year, $150M deal

[Spanky99]

That was literally today....lol

 

No, it was literally 2 days ago.

 

I'd prefer both , but Bauer would be about the only signing that would change the offseason narrative.

[jaysguy44]

I will say I much rather have Springer at 6/150 than what the Yankees paid for DJL.

 

So you're old as s***? That makes your post even more embarrassing.

[Deadpool]

Yeah basically. I mean love George Springer as a player but wasn't a huge fan of the 6th year/extra $25 but I understand why the Jays felt like they had offer it to get the singing.

 

At the end of the day I think Springer singed because he got offered 6/150 not because the Front office did anything spectacular to sway his decision.

 

I mean... That's sorta what always happens though? It's rare that a GM is like "here's this below market offer, I'm now going to use my charms to win you over so you'll take it..." Players either a) sign where the money is or sign where they want to play for whatever reason (winning/history/home town).

 

Where Shatkins hit this one out of the park was that they had the team set up so that this move was a) financially viable and a good pickup to make a tangible improvement on an already good team.

[Orgfiller]

 

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Per source, the Mets’ top offer to George Springer came in around six years, $120-125 million. The Blue Jays took it to the next level and get their man at six years, $150 million. Huge acquisition for Toronto.

 

Steve Cohen and Sandy Alderson confirmed betas.

[WryNGinger]

A few things came into clarity from this signing...

 

-with the Ryu signing it shows the jays are not afraid to invest in high priced talent

-the speculation that that Rogers and the Jays were only looking for bargains is false

-it appears the front office is willing to move on from or bury contracts in AAA or trade them is possible or even highly likely

 

This is an exciting addition for the Jays. It will be interesting to see where they slot Springer in the lineup. It is a solid lineup plus there are 6 top 100 prospects in the system?

 

There have been a few questionable decisions from the front office but if any Jays fan went back 5 years and asked what the best case scenario was this would be close to it.

 

Quit yer bitchin bitches.

[Carlos Danger]

Steve Cohen and Sandy Alderson confirmed betas.

 

Coincidence they fire their Alpha male in the AM and Springer signs in the PM..???

[Spanky99]

No need to be attacking one another. And discussing the value of a FA signing or who got the edge in a trade shortly after it happens is a BJMB tradition. There is nothing that says we have to be rah rah for a few days first.

 

[philly30]

Is there a chance they still get Realmuto?

[Ray]

I find it at least a little interesting that the Jays did $150M over 6 years instead of 5. Same total money, Springer is still palatable at $30M/yr, and you get out of the contract earlier. It seems like there's more advantage to get that money off the books earlier and get access to that roster spot as well compared to saving $5M per year.

 

May be reading way too much into it, but it could be a deliberate move to save AAV for another big move? I mean it could be smaller-to-medium moves too, but that's less exciting!

[Ray]

Is there a chance they still get Realmuto?

 

I expect we spend the bulk of our money on our rotation now. If we do get Realmuto though, we're likely dealing from our catching depth for a starter

[AdamGreenwood]

I don't like this one bit.

1/6th of our payroll going to a single player for the next six years (will be 37).

Outfield wasn't really our position of greatest weakness (we already have Lourdes, Teoscar, and Grichuk)

We still don't have a 3B.

Our rotation is still kind of awful.

And we don't appear to have gotten any kind of COVID discount. It's possible that there's not going to be any fans in the seats this year.

While many of you don't care, this means that there will be even less money to spend going forward.

 

Would have preferred we got Bauer.

[Farm]

I don't like this one bit.

1/6th of our payroll going to a single player for the next six years (will be 37).

Outfield wasn't really our position of greatest weakness (we already have Lourdes, Teoscar, and Grichuk)

We still don't have a 3B.

Our rotation is still kind of awful.

And we don't appear to have gotten any kind of COVID discount. It's possible that there's not going to be any fans in the seats this year.

While many of you don't care, this means that there will be even less money to spend going forward.

 

Would have preferred we got Bauer.

 

A fair take, but f*** it, we are fans of the Toronto Blue jays, and this is pretty exciting. Better than having Springer signed by the Marlins and then trading for him next year anyways.

[Abomination]

I find it at least a little interesting that the Jays did $150M over 6 years instead of 5. Same total money, Springer is still palatable at $30M/yr, and you get out of the contract earlier. It seems like there's more advantage to get that money off the books earlier and get access to that roster spot as well compared to saving $5M per year.

 

May be reading way too much into it, but it could be a deliberate move to save AAV for another big move? I mean it could be smaller-to-medium moves too, but that's less exciting!

 

 

What? I originally had a lot more typed out, but I'm going to go with ... what?

[JaysAllMighty]

Great news to wake up to! I have a feeling Bauer will also sign with us now.

[Ryu In My House]

I don't think so. Springer at least projects to maintain a decent level of athleticism compared to Pujols.

 

Also, Pujols could really be 50-years old.

[Farm]

What? I originally had a lot more typed out, but I'm going to go with ... what?

 

We should have done 1/150

[jaysguy44]

Great news to wake up to! I have a feeling Bauer will also sign with us now.

 

Lol

[Deadpool]

We should have done 1/150

 

"We should have spent the same amount of money to get fewer years of the player..." is an interesting take...

[doorknob]

Excited for this. Wonder how casual fans will react to signing an Trashtros cheater though? Perhaps it's time to bust out our Man in White again lol

https://www.espn.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/6837424/baseball-toronto-blue-jays-suspicion-again-stealing-signs-rogers-centre

[Jimcanuck]

I don't like this one bit.

1/6th of our payroll going to a single player for the next six years (will be 37).

Outfield wasn't really our position of greatest weakness (we already have Lourdes, Teoscar, and Grichuk)

We still don't have a 3B.

Our rotation is still kind of awful.

And we don't appear to have gotten any kind of COVID discount. It's possible that there's not going to be any fans in the seats this year.

While many of you don't care, this means that there will be even less money to spend going forward.

 

Would have preferred we got Bauer.

 

Need to see how the money is spread out. Also, Laika says we can't have these discussions yet.

[G-Snarls]

He was the player who would sign that could improve the team the most

[G-Snarls]

I am hoping that it's at least a bit front loaded so we can more easily afoord the young guys as they get raises

 

I know that doesn't help with the luxury tax but no way the Jays ever go that high anyway

[LGBJ29]

I find it at least a little interesting that the Jays did $150M over 6 years instead of 5. Same total money, Springer is still palatable at $30M/yr, and you get out of the contract earlier. It seems like there's more advantage to get that money off the books earlier and get access to that roster spot as well compared to saving $5M per year.

 

May be reading way too much into it, but it could be a deliberate move to save AAV for another big move? I mean it could be smaller-to-medium moves too, but that's less exciting!

 

jesus christ. If they wanted him off the books they could pay him his entire contract in 5 seasons and have him at the 6 year for free.

[Fearthedoc]

I find it at least a little interesting that the Jays did $150M over 6 years instead of 5. Same total money, Springer is still palatable at $30M/yr, and you get out of the contract earlier. It seems like there's more advantage to get that money off the books earlier and get access to that roster spot as well compared to saving $5M per year.

 

May be reading way too much into it, but it could be a deliberate move to save AAV for another big move? I mean it could be smaller-to-medium moves too, but that's less exciting!

 

Don't feel bad too bad. From what my source says, Springer was pushing to get $150M for 10 years but the Blue Jays were able to negotiate him down to only 6 years. I consider that a big win.

[Brownie19]

I don't like this one bit.

1/6th of our payroll going to a single player for the next six years (will be 37).

Outfield wasn't really our position of greatest weakness (we already have Lourdes, Teoscar, and Grichuk)

We still don't have a 3B.

Our rotation is still kind of awful.

And we don't appear to have gotten any kind of COVID discount. It's possible that there's not going to be any fans in the seats this year.

While many of you don't care, this means that there will be even less money to spend going forward.

 

Would have preferred we got Bauer.

 

2021 is his age 31 season. We have him from his age 31 through his age 36 season.

 

We sign a guy who's been a 6+ WAR player the past 2 years and people are pissed - good god. Also, don't forget Anthony Rendon got 7 years $245M last year. He's owed $219M over the next 6 years ($36.5M AAV). Yes he's a year younger and better than Springer, but is his worth 46% more than Springer? Maybe we did get a COVID discount...

 

I'd suggest you just relax and see what else the offseason has in store for the Blue Jays. This FO deserves your respects and trust sir.

Edited January 20, 2021 by Brownie19

[Laika]

Need to see how the money is spread out. Also, Laika says we can't have these discussions yet.

 

You can talk about whatever you want within the rules of the message board. It would be wise however to wait for final confirmation of the contract details before picking it apart. For all we know right now, there is a reasonable buyout on year 6, or something like that.

 

In general, I don't think any Blue Jays fan should worry much about a big contract like this. To say that fans should not care about the money because it is not their money is a trite point... fans should care when the deal could reasonably hurt the organization in the future by limiting their ability to retain players, sign new players, and stay competitive. There are many examples of bad contracts severely restricting baseball organizations.

 

But here, the Blue Jays are wonderfully positioned to take the risks involved with these big silly contracts - they have little in guaranteed payroll commitments over the next few years and you have to squint uncomfortably hard to imagine a future where one $25M contract in 2025/2026 will prevent the team from doing anything meaningful. The Blue Jays should carry high payrolls given their ownership structure and market.

 

And even if the Springer contract does go bad and Toronto does not get their money worth, the plain fact that Rogers was willing to write this cheque should be an exciting thing for Blue Jays fans going forward. It's a signal (along with Ryu last year) that the team is ready to cement its place as a big player (likely in the second tier of teams, behind the really big spenders).

 

That's all to say - to immediately hone in on year 6 and discuss how the contract is an overpay by about one Tanner Roark is just kind of sad right now. Like, a depressing way to see the world, man.

[Sammy225]

You can talk about whatever you want within the rules of the message board. It would be wise however to wait for final confirmation of the contract details before picking it apart. For all we know right now, there is a reasonable buyout on year 6, or something like that.

 

In general, I don't think any Blue Jays fan should worry much about a big contract like this. To say that fans should not care about the money because it is not their money is a trite point... fans should care when the deal could reasonably hurt the organization in the future by limiting their ability to retain players, sign new players, and stay competitive. There are many examples of bad contracts severely restricting baseball organizations.

 

But here, the Blue Jays are wonderfully positioned to take the risks involved with these big silly contracts - they have little in guaranteed payroll commitments over the next few years and you have to squint uncomfortably hard to imagine a future where one $25M contract in 2025/2026 will prevent the team from doing anything meaningful. The Blue Jays should carry high payrolls given their ownership structure and market.

 

And even if the Springer contract does go bad and Toronto does not get their money worth, the plain fact that Rogers was willing to write this cheque should be an exciting thing for Blue Jays fans going forward. It's a signal (along with Ryu last year) that the team is ready to cement its place as a big player (likely in the second tier of teams, behind the really big spenders).

 

That's all to say - to immediately hone in on year 6 and discuss how the contract is an overpay by about one Tanner Roark is just kind of sad right now. Like, a depressing way to see the world, man.

 

Me and a friend were talking about this last night. The way contracts are going in Baseball 25M likely is not going to play a huge roll in 5 years. Yes it will likely still be fairly significant but not as much as it would be today. Would it have been better on a 5 year deal.... Yes but we have not had a actual CF on this team since Pillar left 2 years ago so i will take it. Our OF defense was s*** and this should make it better. If they front load this deal then i don't see it being much of an issue.

[Brownie19]

Will our ability to monitor stress on the body (the load management team is what I'll say as I can't recall the baseball term) help allow Springer to age more gracefully? or are we still not there from a medical perspective?

[connorp]

Me and a friend were talking about this last night. The way contracts are going in Baseball 25M likely is not going to play a huge roll in 5 years. Yes it will likely still be fairly significant but not as much as it would be today. Would it have been better on a 5 year deal.... Yes but we have not had a actual CF on this team since Pillar left 2 years ago so i will take it. Our OF defense was s*** and this should make it better. If they front load this deal then i don't see it being much of an issue.

 

Idk. The deal has always been strikingly similar in situation to Josh Hamilton 8 years ago- he ended up 5/125

[Laika]

Me and a friend were talking about this last night. The way contracts are going in Baseball 25M likely is not going to play a huge roll in 5 years. Yes it will likely still be fairly significant but not as much as it would be today. Would it have been better on a 5 year deal.... Yes but we have not had a actual CF on this team since Pillar left 2 years ago so i will take it. Our OF defense was s*** and this should make it better. If they front load this deal then i don't see it being much of an issue.

 

Baseball contracts are so weird.

In some ways they have inflated a lot over recent years - look at contracts for uber-elite players.

In other ways they have been sort of flat - look at contracts for second tier position players like Springer or non-Ace pitchers.

In some ways they have GONE DOWN - look at contracts for older average players and role players...