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Blue Jays sign George Springer to a 6 year, $150M deal

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Sammy225 FCL Blue Jays

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Idk. The deal has always been strikingly similar in situation to Josh Hamilton 8 years ago- he ended up 5/125

 

True, I just have a hard time seeing this contract eventually being as bad as that or the Vernon Wells contract or something like that. for arguments sake if we are paying him 20M on the last year if its a little front loaded is it going to be able to play up to it likely not. Most long term contracts are like that. As long as he is still providing 10M worth of value it would be easier to swallow.

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I don't really see how this is like the Hamilton deal at all. Josh was an all bat guy and had... other... red flags. I don't really see the comparison.
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Idk. The deal has always been strikingly similar in situation to Josh Hamilton 8 years ago- he ended up 5/125

 

Except Josh Hamilton was a one dimensional player (power with high strikeouts and bad defense) and an addict, going to Los Angeles with 125 million dollars to spend on bad habits

 

There was always a massive risk involved there

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I don't really see how this is like the Hamilton deal at all. Josh was an all bat guy and had... other... red flags. I don't really see the comparison.

 

Age, elite power... Hamilton 3 years trailing WAR dwarfs Springer

 

Well maybe not dwarf but definitely noticeable higher

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Except Josh Hamilton was a one dimensional player and an addict going to Los Angeles with 125 million dollars to spend on bad habits

 

There was always a massive risk involved there

 

He was supposed to be a reformed choir boy at that point. Feel good story

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Except Josh Hamilton was a one dimensional player (power with high strikeouts and bad defense) and an addict, going to Los Angeles with 125 million dollars to spend on bad habits

 

There was always a massive risk involved there

 

Does this board believe in WAR, or no? Is a 3 WAR player that’s an all-arounder better than a 5 WAR player who may be bad at something? (That’s random comparison)

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Does this board believe in WAR, or no? Is a 3 WAR player that’s an all-arounder better than a 5 WAR player who may be bad at something? (That’s random comparison)

 

It doesn't matter how the WAR is accumulated I suppose

 

But projecting over the next 6 years... I prefer a contact hitter with on base skills plus power who is a good overall player rather than a guy who derives most of his value with either just speed or just power. Springer is very well rounded.

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He posts on this board from time to time as well.

 

It's true, I occasionally post here! Last night was a wild ride, never ended up popping in here. Just catching up now!

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It's true, I occasionally post here! Last night was a wild ride, never ended up popping in here. Just catching up now!

 

if this is you - well done man, congrats.

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TSN covers baseball?? I thought they only covered hockey and the Raptors

 

God bless them they try but if it is not Raptors or Hockey they don't really Give a f***.

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It doesn't matter how the WAR is accumulated I suppose

 

But projecting over 6 years... I prefer a contact hitter with power who is a good overall player rather than a guy who derives most of his value with either just speed or just power. Springer is very well rounded.

 

Well, Springer is still a bat first player. His D isn’t GG worthy and the fall back on him is he can slide over to CO spot and still produce value 2-3 years from now. If anything, when signing a 31yo CF I’d prefer the bat over the D slightly as the D is the much more likely thing to regress.

 

I’m not saying I don’t love the Soringer signing, just that it’s not so different than Hamilton where Soringer is way more valuable. Easy to use hindsight to judge Hamilton deal

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Age, elite power... Hamilton 3 years trailing WAR dwarfs Springer

 

Well maybe not dwarf but definitely noticeable higher

 

Why not use the 2 years leading up for FA?

 

Hamilton - 4.0 and 4.9

Springer - 6.5 and 1.9 (covid; ~6.0 pace)

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Why not use the 2 years leading up for FA?

 

Hamilton - 4.0 and 4.9

Springer - 6.5 and 1.9 (covid; ~6.0 pace)

 

If you want to be a stickler, you should multiply last year by 2.5

Also, it wouldn’t be fair to not figure in Hamilton’s monster MVP year a few years before his contract.

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TSN covers baseball?? I thought they only covered hockey and the Raptors

 

Ever since they lost the rights to broadcasting some games they havent given a f*** about baseball and it shows.

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Well, Springer is still a bat first player. His D isn’t GG worthy and the fall back on him is he can slide over to CO spot and still produce value 2-3 years from now. If anything, when signing a 31yo CF I’d prefer the bat over the D slightly as the D is the much more likely thing to regress.

 

I’m not saying I don’t love the Soringer signing, just that it’s not so different than Hamilton where Soringer is way more valuable. Easy to use hindsight to judge Hamilton deal

 

On field performance, yes there is a comparison to be made, but to overlook the off the field stuff here is silly.

 

It is known Josh Hamilton struggled with relapses after he signed his big contract. He openly talked about his inability to handle the pressure and his drug addiction. You can't look at the Hamilton deal when evaluating the Springer one

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You can talk about whatever you want within the rules of the message board. It would be wise however to wait for final confirmation of the contract details before picking it apart. For all we know right now, there is a reasonable buyout on year 6, or something like that.

 

In general, I don't think any Blue Jays fan should worry much about a big contract like this. To say that fans should not care about the money because it is not their money is a trite point... fans should care when the deal could reasonably hurt the organization in the future by limiting their ability to retain players, sign new players, and stay competitive. There are many examples of bad contracts severely restricting baseball organizations.

 

But here, the Blue Jays are wonderfully positioned to take the risks involved with these big silly contracts - they have little in guaranteed payroll commitments over the next few years and you have to squint uncomfortably hard to imagine a future where one $25M contract in 2025/2026 will prevent the team from doing anything meaningful. The Blue Jays should carry high payrolls given their ownership structure and market.

 

And even if the Springer contract does go bad and Toronto does not get their money worth, the plain fact that Rogers was willing to write this cheque should be an exciting thing for Blue Jays fans going forward. It's a signal (along with Ryu last year) that the team is ready to cement its place as a big player (likely in the second tier of teams, behind the really big spenders).

 

That's all to say - to immediately hone in on year 6 and discuss how the contract is an overpay by about one Tanner Roark is just kind of sad right now. Like, a depressing way to see the world, man.

 

Completely agree, and there is nothing in what I posted that picks apart the Contract. In fact it aligns with what you are saying above......

 

Hoping it is front loaded and there is a buyout for the 6th year.
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Completely agree, which is all I said and you attacked.....

 

Attacked! Hopefully you're okay, mate.

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On field performance, yes there is a comparison to be made, but to overlook the off the field stuff here is silly.

 

It is known Josh Hamilton struggled with relapses after he signed his big contract. He openly talked about his inability to handle the pressure and his drug addiction. You can't look at the Hamilton deal when evaluating the Springer one

 

Well, I think we’re getting side tracked from the original purpose which was comparing $ amounts then and now. So if anything Hamilton’s character issues/red flags would’ve driven his contract down

 

As far as who they are as players/people, I totally agree they are apple/oranges

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