2019 Trade Deadline Thread

[P2F]

I can't see MadBum being traded with the way the Giants are currently playing. Stro is the top dog available now.

 

The same can be said for Trevor Bauer and the Indians. Also, the Mets seem pretty reluctant to move Syndergaard. With these three pitchers potentially off the market, that may very well render Stroman the best arm available.

[Abomination]

The same can be said for Trevor Bauer and the Indians. Also, the Mets seem pretty reluctant to move Syndergaard. With these three pitchers potentially off the market, that may very well render Stroman the best arm available.

 

You might be able to make an argument that he's the best starter available even if those guys are on the market. They may have more upside, but all 3 are having subpar years at higher cost.

[AintNoThang]

Does anyone else feel that the Twins are waiting to see how Stroman pitches against the Indians tonight? They play the Indians 10 more times this year. A game or two can be the difference maker. If he pitches well, I predict a trade to the Twins in a day or two.

[jaysguy44]

Does anyone else feel that the Twins are waiting to see how Stroman pitches against the Indians tonight? They play the Indians 10 more times this year. A game or two can be the difference maker. If he pitches well, I predict a trade to the Twins in a day or two.

 

If this is the case, he's going to get roughed up tonight. Jays luck, so fitting.

[Slade]

Does anyone else feel that the Twins are waiting to see how Stroman pitches against the Indians tonight? They play the Indians 10 more times this year. A game or two can be the difference maker. If he pitches well, I predict a trade to the Twins in a day or two.

 

From what the Twins execs are saying, it doesn't sound like they are going to make big trades right now.

[AintNoThang]

From what the Twins execs are saying, it doesn't sound like they are going to make big trades right now.

 

All a part of the chess game they're playing.

[Brownie19]

Does anyone else feel that the Twins are waiting to see how Stroman pitches against the Indians tonight? They play the Indians 10 more times this year. A game or two can be the difference maker. If he pitches well, I predict a trade to the Twins in a day or two.

 

I'd like to think front offices aren't this short sighted. But who knows.

[AintNoThang]

I'd like to think front offices aren't this short sighted. But who knows.

 

I'm basing that on the assumption they're already high on him, and if he does well, they could give up a bit more value. And if he doesn't have the best game, they can use that as leverage in trade talks.

[Laika]

Does anyone else feel that the Twins are waiting to see how Stroman pitches against the Indians tonight? They play the Indians 10 more times this year. A game or two can be the difference maker. If he pitches well, I predict a trade to the Twins in a day or two.

 

No, but they might wait to see if his arm decides to randomly fall off tonight. Why pull the trigger right now if there is any chance that his UCL could explode this evening? And there is that chance.

[Abomination]

No, but they might wait to see if his arm decides to randomly fall off tonight. Why pull the trigger right now if there is any chance that his UCL could explode this evening? And there is that chance.

 

Well, if they pulled the trigger now he wouldn't be pitching this evening.

[Spanky99]

Well, if they pulled the trigger now he wouldn't be pitching this evening.

 

But that would inevitably happen when he pitches with them, right?

[Laika]

Well, if they pulled the trigger now he wouldn't be pitching this evening.

 

*if there is any chance that his UCL is about to explode and there is a tiny chance they could find out the answer to that tonight while he is still a BLUE JAY

[Abomination]

But that would inevitably happen when he pitches with them, right?

 

Same basic risk today or in 5 days though, only they'd get him for one more start. I don't see that as an excuse for waiting. I think teams will wait until the last minute for buyers and sellers to shake out, since there's so many bubble teams atm.

[AintNoThang]

No, but they might wait to see if his arm decides to randomly fall off tonight. Why pull the trigger right now if there is any chance that his UCL could explode this evening? And there is that chance.

 

With all due respect, sir, there's a much greater chance that he pitches great, ok, or poorly, than his UCL exploding.

[Laika]

With all due respect, sir, there's a much greater chance that he pitches great, ok, or poorly, than his UCL exploding.

 

Yeah but his performance should be entirely irrelevant to his trade value. An injury wouldn't be.

[Brownie19]

Yeah but his performance should be entirely irrelevant to his trade value. An injury wouldn't be.

 

Sure - but the sooner they trade for him, the sooner he helps their team.

[P2F]

I don't even know if Stroman's outings matter at this point. Any smart team that acquires him is probably going to re-work his repertoire a bit considering how disgusting his 4 Seam fastball is.

 

They're probably buying his stuff more than the results.

 

If Stroman ends up with the Astros, I'm buying up every share I can get my grubby little hands on. His arsenal is totally ridonk - he just needs a team with a clue to unlock his potential.

[AintNoThang]

Yeah but his performance should be entirely irrelevant to his trade value. An injury wouldn't be.

 

Like I said, it can bring leverage to the situation, albeit a small amount. If he pitches a gem, they could be willing to move, even *slightly* into the demands. If he gets lit up, then it can also be used in trade talks. I know it's not a difference maker between a Kiriloff being offered or not, but it still can be used to create movement one way or the other. There's scouts at the game for a reason despite all the videos and advanced analytics on every player. And they aren't there to evaluate if his UCL is on the verge of implosion.

[glory]

Yup if he goes to Houston he will become a legit ace within 2 weeks.

[Spanky99]

Same basic risk today or in 5 days though, only they'd get him for one more start. I don't see that as an excuse for waiting. I think teams will wait until the last minute for buyers and sellers to shake out, since there's so many bubble teams atm.

 

Definitely a sellers market, though.

[Spanky99]

Like I said, it can bring leverage to the situation, albeit a small amount. If he pitches a gem, they could be willing to move, even *slightly* into the demands. If he gets lit up, then it can also be used in trade talks. I know it's not a difference maker between a Kiriloff being offered or not, but it still can be used to create movement one way or the other. There's scouts at the game for a reason despite all the videos and advanced analytics on every player. And they aren't there to evaluate if his UCL is on the verge of implosion.

 

Honestly, there's no leverage at this point, teams have their shopping list, and whom they value more than others, Stro's extra year of control outweigh any rental.

[FrozenRopes]

Honestly, there's no leverage at this point, teams have their shopping list, and whom they value more than others, Stro's extra year of control outweigh any rental.

 

So why pitch him any more times to risk potential injury or lowering what is likely an all time high value for a player?

[Spanky99]

So why pitch him any more times to risk potential injury or lowering what is likely an all time high value for a player?

 

Ask the FO, I'd rather he not pitch, although I doubt anything goes wrong tonight.

[AintNoThang]

So why pitch him any more times to risk potential injury or lowering what is likely an all time high value for a player?

 

Exactly. If teams have the set price on him and won't move based on leverage, be transparent and say that you're going over the offers and want to protect the pitcher until you've made up your mind. It's not a crazy concept to want to protect your player from injury before a trade. Most GM's aren't idiots and would get that line of thinking.

[Spanky99]

Exactly. If teams have the set price on him and won't move based on leverage, be transparent and say that you're going over the offers and want to protect the pitcher until you've made up your mind. It's not a crazy concept to want to protect your player from injury before a trade. Most GM's aren't idiots and would get that line of thinking.

 

Sure, or clubs just want to see him get another start in to show he's injury free, but I doubt any leverage comes out of his start tonight.

[AintNoThang]

Sure, or clubs just want to see him get another start in to show he's injury free, but I doubt any leverage comes out of his start tonight.

 

Or they could base that assessment on his last start and go over his medicals.

 

Teams use anything they can as leverage in negotiations. It's pretty standard. Look at what they did in arbitration against Stroman

Basically tore him a new one. So I believe if they have any new information to argue their case, they will use it.

 

I guess we'll just agree to disagree on that point.

[Terminator]

https://blogs.fangraphs.com/predicting-the-2019-trade-deadline/

 

Fangraphs article predicting Stroman and Giles both to the Yanks for Clint Frazier and Miguel Andujar. Sogard to the Cubs is also mentioned.

[Abomination]

https://blogs.fangraphs.com/predicting-the-2019-trade-deadline/

 

Fangraphs article predicting Stroman and Giles both to the Yanks for Clint Frazier and Miguel Andujar.

 

Huh. I think my reaction would be no, but interesting concept. Andujar's defense is worrying.

[FrozenRopes]

https://blogs.fangraphs.com/predicting-the-2019-trade-deadline/

 

Fangraphs article predicting Stroman and Giles both to the Yanks for Clint Frazier and Miguel Andujar. Sogard to the Cubs is also mentioned.

 

Clint and Gleybor maybe.

[glory]

https://blogs.fangraphs.com/predicting-the-2019-trade-deadline/

 

Fangraphs article predicting Stroman and Giles both to the Yanks for Clint Frazier and Miguel Andujar. Sogard to the Cubs is also mentioned.

 

That's a perfect Brian Cashman move. Two players he doesn't need, clears 40 man roster spots, and gets two players who will immediately help.