Offseason Roster Thread 2016-17

[GreekFatAss]

TheScore had an article saying Sanchez or Stroman would be ideal targets for Pittsburgh (Take it this was him just floating ideas). But then there was the whole thing about Colorado and Blackmon and other rumblings about him. I hope its just dumb national media guys talking out of their ass but his name keeps popping up on more than just this board.

 

Welcome to 21st century Journalism; Dress up opinion and sell it as fact and the facts always seem to be conveniently tailored to drawing views.

[jays_fever]

When was the last time a young cost controlled SP2 was traded? It's normally pretty hard to find equal value for them and/or to make sense

[intentional wok]

TheScore had an article saying Sanchez or Stroman would be ideal targets for Pittsburgh (Take it this was him just floating ideas). But then there was the whole thing about Colorado and Blackmon and other rumblings about him. I hope its just dumb national media guys talking out of their ass but his name keeps popping up on more than just this board.

 

I can't stop cackling at the idea that national media guys all share the same ass. Poor Shi!

[Gary]

I can't stop cackling at the idea that national media guys all share the same ass. Poor Shi!

 

Shi Davidi and Barry Davis are two of the best in the business.

[Nafro]

Shi Davidi is one of the best in the business.

 

Ftfy

[CHRIS]

I'm leaning towards the idea of signing Bautista for a year and giving Pompey a chance.

 

I feel like Bautista is at his best when he's got a chip on his shoulder. If he's healthy I could see him having a good season.

 

I'm really hoping Pompey and Travis can take big steps forward in terms of results and durability respectively, so as to help assess how to address needs moving forward.

[LGBJ29]

Shi Davidi and Barry Davis are two of the best in the business.

 

lol

[Abomination]

Emptying the farm forcing McCutchen would be a very confusing move given how they've operated so far. I don't think they're seriously interested unless it's a roster SP going back. Stroman for Cutch + prospects? Happ + prospects for Cutch?

 

Stroman for Cutch + Josh Bell or Glasnow might get both teams thinking.

 

I'd be fine with either of these, but I wouldn't want to trade Stroman unless it was something like this. We're gonna be down a few SP after the season as it is, and we aren't exactly a hot destination for pitchers.

[RealAccountant]

Shi Davidi and Barry Davis are two of the best in the business.

 

Lmfao

[Jimcanuck]

Hard to see a deal taking shape otherwise. They're probably similar caliber players (both projected at 3-3.5 wins this year). The big differences between them as assets:

- McCutchen will make 28.5M over the next two years and Stroman probably makes about 8.

- Stroman is controllable for two additional years.

 

So if you believe the projections, their expected 2017/2018 win production is the same, only Stroman makes 20M less and has an additional 2 years of arbitration. That probably makes him like $50M more valuable than Cutch as an asset. So if not Bell or Glasnow, something of significant value would have to be added to the deal by Pittsburgh.

 

Agreed. Stroman >> McCutchen in value.

[RealAccountant]

As pointed out Happ is probably the closest in terms of fair value. He is also under control for 2 years and projects pretty close to the same value maybe a bit less

 

Though I doubt they could sell that to their fans

[brianf]

Emptying the farm forcing McCutchen would be a very confusing move given how they've operated so far. I don't think they're seriously interested unless it's a roster SP going back. Stroman for Cutch + prospects? Happ + prospects for Cutch?

 

Stroman for Cutch + Josh Bell or Glasnow might get both teams thinking.

 

Hard to see a deal taking shape otherwise. They're probably similar caliber players (both projected at 3-3.5 wins this year). The big differences between them as assets:

- McCutchen will make 28.5M over the next two years and Stroman probably makes about 8.

- Stroman is controllable for two additional years.

 

So if you believe the projections, their expected 2017/2018 win production is the same, only Stroman makes 20M less and has an additional 2 years of arbitration. That probably makes him like $50M more valuable than Cutch as an asset. So if not Bell or Glasnow, something of significant value would have to be added to the deal by Pittsburgh.

 

I agree that Stroman at this point for Cutch straight up makes no sense, but hoping for either Bell or Glasnow as the other pieces without the Jays adding more isn't realistic. Both are MLB ready assets and saying that Stroman is 50 mil more valuable at this point fails to recognize that Glasnow and possibly Bell hold similar if not more value then that with their years of control. For a small market team, a trade like that doesn't make sense.

[BTS]

I agree that Stroman at this point for Cutch straight up makes no sense, but hoping for either Bell or Glasnow as the other pieces without the Jays adding more isn't realistic. Both are MLB ready assets and saying that Stroman is 50 mil more valuable at this point fails to recognize that Glasnow and possibly Bell hold similar if not more value then that with their years of control. For a small market team, a trade like that doesn't make sense.

 

It really depends on what they think of the Glasnow and Bell. Based on their spots on recent prospect lists, either is worth something in the 50M range an asset, which would make them valid asks by Toronto. Pittsburgh wouldn't have interest if they think Glasnow is an above average starter, but they might if they think he profiles as more of a reliever. I'm not going to pretend to know what would interest them, but Stroman for Cutch + Glasnow/Bell seems like one of the only frameworks that could even potentially make sense between the two teams.

[Laika]

How the f*** is "team has discussed player" any sort of news? lmao

[Gary]

How the f*** is "team has discussed player" any sort of news? lmao

If it's on twitter it's news.

[Maahfaace]

Hard no to dealing stro for declining cutch

[Pendleton]

1 year $18M for Bautista - yay or nay?

[Grant77]

1 year $18M for Bautista - yay or nay?

 

Yay, obviously.

[Ray]

I don't see the Front Office going over $17.3 million for Bautista, but I would love to have Jose back for $18 million. He's worth far more than that in a good year.

[L54]

If you're going to lose the pick might as well make sure you get an option or two. If not just take the pick at this point and sign somebody else.

 

Not interested in Jose on a one year deal at all. Would rather accelerate the prospect cultivation.

[BTS]

If you're going to lose the pick might as well make sure you get an option or two. If not just take the pick at this point and sign somebody else.

 

Not interested in Jose on a one year deal at all. Would rather accelerate the prospect cultivation.

 

I agree with this. Would prefer to invest elsewhere than give up a pick for Bautista on a 1-year deal.

[bendera3]

If you're going to lose the pick might as well make sure you get an option or two. If not just take the pick at this point and sign somebody else.

 

Not interested in Jose on a one year deal at all. Would rather accelerate the prospect cultivation.

 

It wouldn't surprise me if Bats waited until after the pick deadline to sign. I'd be interested in a 1 and an option deal.

[Jimcanuck]

It wouldn't surprise me if Bats waited until after the pick deadline to sign. I'd be interested in a 1 and an option deal.

 

Can't see it. He'd be taking a loss and it would be a struggle coming back mid season. Expect him to take the best deal available prior to season start.

[Terminator]

Are we guaranteed to get a pick for Bautista? The team that signs him could have a protected pick right? And then we'd get a 2nd rounder? I forgot how this works.

 

I'd love to see us resign Bautista and then make a trade for McCutchen or Puig.

[Terminator]

If you're going to lose the pick might as well make sure you get an option or two. If not just take the pick at this point and sign somebody else.

 

Not interested in Jose on a one year deal at all. Would rather accelerate the prospect cultivation.

 

Sign who? Only OFers left are all projected for sub 1 WAR.

[saskjayfan]

I agree with this. Would prefer to invest elsewhere than give up a pick for Bautista on a 1-year deal.

 

Would rather have a better chance to win this upcoming season than in 2022. Would rather get the best player than can help us accomplish that especially when it's just one year.

[BTS]

Are we guaranteed to get a pick for Bautista? The team that signs him could have a protected pick right? And then we'd get a 2nd rounder? I forgot how this works.

 

I'd love to see us resign Bautista and then make a trade for McCutchen or Puig.

 

Comp pick is between the first and second round either way. Teams with a protected pick would lose their 2nd instead of their 1st.

[george09]

If we got Bell back in a Cutch trade what position would he play? OF or 1B?

 

 

Cutch-Pillar-Bell with Pearce at 1B?

[Abomination]

Man alive did Bell put up some cringe worthy defensive numbers last year.

[LGBJ29]

Would rather have a better chance to win this upcoming season than in 2022. Would rather get the best player than can help us accomplish that especially when it's just one year.

 

Even with Bautista, this team isnt as good as Boston or Cleveland. You're basically saying you'd rather have a bleak one year shot and bottom out the next 5 years rather than today begin building a team structured for long term success. Makes sense, dynasty's are boring