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burlingtonbandit New Hampshire Fisher Cats

burlingtonbandit

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So Rick Westhead is reporting the Jays payroll is set for 165 million for 2017, is this legit? or is he talking out his ass again?

http://www.tsn.ca/jays-budget-set-at-165m-to-start-2017-1.636348

 

Edit: Nevermind, guess this was discussed a few pages back, sorry.

 

IIRC he got last years payroll right so his source is likely works for Rogers. I believe he had the Bautista $150 Million too.

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I have a weird feeling EE winds up in Oakland, even if it's not a traditional A's type move.

 

He will go to whatever team offers him the most money

rydermike First Round Pick

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saw this in the article

Over 67 games, he hit .241 with a .669 on-base percentage but did throw out 35% of runners, an area where he continues to profile very well.
and was in disbelief for two seconds until I realized it was a typo and they meant OPS not OBP
jaysblue Buffalo Bisons

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I've always liked Alex Avila and since he's a left-handed bat could be a nice fit. Posted 1.1 WAR in 57 games last season. Has some decent pop and has good OBP skills. Might be able to catch lightning in a bottle with him (doubt he comes close to his 2011 season level). How's his framing?

jaysfan2014 Dunedin Blue Jays

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No player is going to sign the first offer you give them during the only time in their career that they get to be a free agent. It doesn't matter who the agent is, no one is accepting that offer.

 

Most likely they would have talked to other teams for a week and then accepted. That's basically what the Dodgers guys did.

 

The truth is our FO never wanted EE back.

 

I have to agree--Edwin isn't going to hold up long term, with his soaring strikeout rate, and plus he'll likely have to play 1B full time since they already have Santana at DH--hasn't he had injuries before at this position? And both Santana and Edwin are awful defensively at 1B.. he wouldn't have played 1B in Toronto if Bautista hadn't been heavily DHd and Smoak hadn't struggled so much..

RealAccountant Dunedin Blue Jays

RealAccountant

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No player is going to sign the first offer you give them during the only time in their career that they get to be a free agent. It doesn't matter who the agent is, no one is accepting that offer.

 

Most likely they would have talked to other teams for a week and then accepted. That's basically what the Dodgers guys did.

 

The truth is our FO never wanted EE back.

 

This

 

They wanted the draft pick badly

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John_Havok

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So at this point, if that other threads report was accurate and the budget for this year is 165 million, The Jays still have 30ish million left to spend to fill a starting of role, and 2 pen arms. That's a lot of flexibility to add during the season as well
Jimcanuck Buffalo Bisons

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So at this point, if that other threads report was accurate and the budget for this year is 165 million, The Jays still have 30ish million left to spend to fill a starting of role, and 2 pen arms. That's a lot of flexibility to add during the season as well

 

Watch them trade for bad contracts coupled with prospects, a la Liriano deal.

Captain Adama FCL Blue Jays

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That's not what I wrote? It worked out well, but it was a perceived bad contract dump by the Pirates, no?

 

Clarifying when to make sure bad contract =/= bad trade.

intentional wok Vancouver Canadians

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Now that EE is officially off the table, and with the infield completely set, here are some FA outfielders/versatiles that might not be terrible in blue next year:

 

Jose Bautista - obvious, and I would absolutely advocate giving him and Pearce an OF/1B rotation while leaving Smoak in a forest

Chris Coghlan (corner OF, can fill in some 2B/3B allegedly too) - coming off a shitpile injury year, but had two very solid seasons for the Cubbies prior.

Austin Jackson - only one of his last three seasons is something worth looking at, but before that he was very solid. Not sure if I like him that much, and might even prefer Pompey.

Angel Pagan - not bad and still might have something left in the tank. Played decent D in a spacious park too. I think he might be worth it for a 1-year cheapy.

Colby Rasmus - I can only stomach so many ugly strikeouts, but Colby might connect on one of those good years he's prone to alternating with his awful years. Imagine the strikeout record he and Upton could make in a platoon over 162 games. Would he even come back to play under Gibby?

Michael Saunders - I'd still give him a couple of affordable years. His second half was abysmal, but he's a good hitter. Brutal in the field though.

Mark Trumbo - is he actually even an outfielder? Still, some good power, but no way I'd pay what he probably wants.

Ray FCL Blue Jays

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People actually like Brandon Moss? His 30% K-rate should be reason enough to avoid him.

 

 

Now that Edwin is gone, Bautista is the best bat left on the market. You could've argued he was even before Edwin signed. I still think we should make a play for him. Especially now that Edwin signed for a paltry $65 million guaranteed. Bautistas market just crashed.

Pendleton Vancouver Canadians

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People actually like Brandon Moss? His 30% K-rate should be reason enough to avoid him.

 

 

Now that Edwin is gone, Bautista is the best bat left on the market. You could've argued he was even before Edwin signed. I still think we should make a play for him. Especially now that Edwin signed for a paltry $65 million guaranteed. Bautistas market just crashed.

 

Meh, I get that K's are frustrating to watch but if a guy generates runs I really don't care how he goes about doing it.

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Pertaining to Pillar's defense:

 

http://www.hardballtimes.com/players-and-coaches-skepticism-of-defensive-metrics/

 

Kevin Pillar led major league center fielders during the 2016 season in defensive runs saved (DRS), Ultimate Zone Rating per 150 games (UZR/150), out of zone plays, all the things that are supposed to tell you in 2016 who’s the best in the field. Advanced defensive metrics are the reason that a former 32nd-round draft pick with a .688 career OPS is regarded, rightfully, as a star.

 

The proliferation of defensive numbers has made it easier to concretely communicate just how good a player like Pillar is, rather than just saying, “yeah, he’s good out there, but he still doesn’t hit enough.” Because of the defensive aspects incorporated in Wins Above Replacement (WAR), we know that Pillar is a three-win player, and quite valuable to a Blue Jays team that’s made back-to-back trips to the American League Championship Series. The numbers love Pillar.

 

“I don’t love them back,” Pillar says. “I don’t get them. I don’t get any of the defensive stats that they’re throwing out there except for good play. The eye test. I believe in the eye test. I think a good outfielder or a good defender, you can see with your eyes. You don’t need numbers to tell you how good they are.”

Captain Adama FCL Blue Jays

Captain Adama

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Pertaining to Pillar's defense:

 

http://www.hardballtimes.com/players-and-coaches-skepticism-of-defensive-metrics/

 

Kevin Pillar led major league center fielders during the 2016 season in defensive runs saved (DRS), Ultimate Zone Rating per 150 games (UZR/150), out of zone plays, all the things that are supposed to tell you in 2016 who’s the best in the field. Advanced defensive metrics are the reason that a former 32nd-round draft pick with a .688 career OPS is regarded, rightfully, as a star.

 

The proliferation of defensive numbers has made it easier to concretely communicate just how good a player like Pillar is, rather than just saying, “yeah, he’s good out there, but he still doesn’t hit enough.” Because of the defensive aspects incorporated in Wins Above Replacement (WAR), we know that Pillar is a three-win player, and quite valuable to a Blue Jays team that’s made back-to-back trips to the American League Championship Series. The numbers love Pillar.

 

“I don’t love them back,” Pillar says. “I don’t get them. I don’t get any of the defensive stats that they’re throwing out there except for good play. The eye test. I believe in the eye test. I think a good outfielder or a good defender, you can see with your eyes. You don’t need numbers to tell you how good they are.”

 

Ah willful ignorance.

 

If only all the other players didn't think like this, this would've dropped him in my players handsomeness list.

saskjayfan Dunedin Blue Jays

saskjayfan

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Meh, I get that K's are frustrating to watch but if a guy generates runs I really don't care how he goes about doing it.

 

Hip surgery doesn't scare you at all? Anyone think there's a chance rowdy gets a look in June?

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