Offseason Roster Thread 2016-17

[Brownie19]

I wouldn't even trade 5 years of Control of Travis straight up

 

4 years of Travis for 2 of Cutch? I think I would. Harrison projects to replace Travis nicely too.

[brianf]

What about this deal?

 

to Pittsburgh

 

Devon Travis

Joe Biagini

Jon Harris

 

to Toronto

 

McCutchen

Josh Harrison

Anthony Bastardo

 

Pittsburgh clears a ton of $$ off their books, adds a young, controllable, good second baseman and they can convert Biagini to the rotation. Toronto adds Cutch without giving up Stro. Harrison can replace Travis at 2nd and they get a lefty for the pen.

 

Thoughts?

 

If I'm the Jays, I do that deal in a heartbeat. Unfortunately can't see Pittsburgh doing it. From all reports they want young/controllable SP and have reportedly turned down more then your proposal. Wondering if a little tinkering with you idea, add Quintana from the Sox to Pittsburgh and some other odds and ends and we may be on to something for a three team deal.

[xposbrad]

This team needs to look to get younger. Tulo/RM/estrada/happ/Jd/morales/pearce are all over 31. Making trades and getting more expensive and older players back is probably not the smartest move right now. Travis could be a long term affordable piece at 2b, who might even put up the same WAR as Cutch if he plays the whole year.

[RealAccountant]

If I'm the Jays, I do that deal in a heartbeat. Unfortunately can't see Pittsburgh doing it. From all reports they want young/controllable SP and have reportedly turned down more then your proposal. Wondering if a little tinkering with you idea, add Quintana from the Sox to Pittsburgh and some other odds and ends and we may be on to something for a three team deal.

 

Lol if we had any shots at getting Quintana I would just keep him. If you add him to this rotation you got something

[Krylian]

I can't see Pittsburgh agreeing to most of the proposals I've seen in this thread. There's no doubt they still think he's a Top Line Centerfielder...and will be looking to be compensated (or overcompensated) accordingly.

 

As has been stated, the Jays are old...and need to get younger, more athletic, and more flexible. As good as Cutch would look in the OF for the next 2 years, is it really the best move for the organization?

[L54]

I've said it before and I'll say it again, Pittsburgh would rather hold onto him than deal him for a lackluster offer. We see it every year- some team finds themselves in the thick of a pennant or WC race and can justify moving high end prospects for a guy like him (see Price; David).

 

Moving him for less than what they deem fair would be disastrous. If they didn't have faith he would rebound I think we would've seen him moved by now. I think (and I know I would) rather bet on a rebound and selling him at the deadline than moving him right now for a package around Devon Travis or someone to that effect.

[spittin]

Care to explain how so?

 

Sure, we're relying on 2 starters to continue their mid thirties breakouts and then we have Liriano and Bolsinger for 5/6. Bolsinger will not survive more than a few starts in the ALE, or even anywhere in the AL for that matter which leaves us totally relying on the rotation being completely healthy. Doesn't sound like a recipe for success.

[RealAccountant]

Sure, we're relying on 2 starters to continue their mid thirties breakouts and then we have Liriano and Bolsinger for 5/6. Bolsinger will not survive more than a few starts in the ALE, or even anywhere in the AL for that matter which leaves us totally relying on the rotation being completely healthy. Doesn't sound like a recipe for success.

 

It'll be awesome when Liriano posts a 4 WAR season. All the recipes of success are there

 

Contract Year plus Martin. Liriano could have a very good year, and Sanchez and Stroman can take a step forward as well. I am surprised by the lack of respect Sanchez gets. Late August we were talking about him winning the Cy Young

[GD]

Sure, we're relying on 2 starters to continue their mid thirties breakouts and then we have Liriano and Bolsinger for 5/6. Bolsinger will not survive more than a few starts in the ALE, or even anywhere in the AL for that matter which leaves us totally relying on the rotation being completely healthy. Doesn't sound like a recipe for success.

 

"in the ALE"

 

Join Date: Oct 2015

 

 

i hate casuals

[jaysblue]

It'll be awesome when Liriano posts a 4 WAR season. All the recipes of success are there

 

Contract Year plus Martin. Liriano could have a very good year, and Sanchez and Stroman can take a step forward as well. I am surprised by the lack of respect Sanchez gets. Late August we were talking about him winning the Cy Young

 

That start Sanchez made against Boston at the end of the season was the best I ever saw him. Kid just flat out dominated that outing.

 

People shouldn't underestimate Liriano. He could put together a big season with Martin behind the plate and in a contract year there is extra motivation for him especially since it could be the last big contract he gets.

[burlingtonbandit]

That start Sanchez made against Boston at the end of the season was the best I ever saw him. Kid just flat out dominated that outing.

 

People shouldn't underestimate Liriano. He could put together a big season with Martin behind the plate and in a contract year there is extra motivation for him especially since it could be the last big contract he gets.

 

Its been proved the contract year doesn't improve performance. The extra motivation thing is mostly BS. I mean look at Bautista..

[Bobthe4th]

Its been proved the contract year doesn't improve performance. The extra motivation thing is mostly BS. I mean look at Bautista..

 

It's not motivation that is incorrect, obv a player wants to play well in a contract year or they won't get as good a contract.

 

It's that unlike in say basketball, you can't do things like stat boost as easily, you can't make sure you're more involved in the game, and you aren't going to have much time for extra practice (like a basketball player spending an off day in the gym shooting 3's).

[Brownie19]

It's not motivation that is incorrect, obv a player wants to play well in a contract year or they won't get as good a contract.

 

It's that unlike in say basketball, you can't do things like stat boost as easily, you can't make sure you're more involved in the game, and you aren't going to have much time for extra practice (like a basketball player spending an off day in the gym shooting 3's).

 

Good point. Starting pitchers have no extra time on their hands

[HERPDERP]

just sign Bautista to a 1 year deal and keep these guys...

[brianf]

Lol if we had any shots at getting Quintana I would just keep him. If you add him to this rotation you got something

 

Didn't mean we'd end up with Quintana. ..hence the reason I mentioned it as a 3 team deal...something along the lines of Sox get Travis and Glasnow, Pittsburgh gets Quintana and Harris, Toronto gets Cutch and Harrison. Obviously more pieces would need to be involved but just a hypothetical.

 

Honestly though...can't see Pittsburgh moving Cutch right now with his value being down.

[brianf]

"in the ALE"

 

Join Date: Oct 2015

 

 

i hate casuals

 

It is pretty obvious 'spittin' meant the AL East.

 

Join Date: 05-04-2013

 

I hate when people don't capitalize the 'I' and make pointless comments. I also hate when people on boards assume they're better because they have been around an entire two years more then someone else.

[RealAccountant]

Good on Shapiro to reject the Blockmon for Stroman deal.

[george09]

Why would Pittsburgh want Tellez when they have Bell? Why would they want JD Martinez (although the idea of giving up Zeuch, Pompey and Greene for Cutch and Wilson is nice).

 

 

What about this deal?

 

to Pittsburgh

 

Devon Travis

Joe Biagini

Jon Harris

 

to Toronto

 

McCutchen

Josh Harrison

Anthony Bastardo

 

Pittsburgh clears a ton of $$ off their books, adds a young, controllable, good second baseman and they can convert Biagini to the rotation. Toronto adds Cutch without giving up Stro. Harrison can replace Travis at 2nd and they get a lefty for the pen.

 

Thoughts?

 

 

Yeah but Harrison is bad and so is Bastardo

[Brownie19]

Yeah but Harrison is bad and so is Bastardo

 

Harrison was more valuable than Bautista last year. Between him and Barney, they could supplement Travis

[jays4life19]

It is pretty obvious 'spittin' meant the AL East.

 

Join Date: 05-04-2013

 

I hate when people don't capitalize the 'I' and make pointless comments. I also hate when people on boards assume they're better because they have been around an entire two years more then someone else.

 

lol.

 

It's a joke. Spittin has been around forever, his account was just deleted in error thus his join date of Oct 2015.

[brianf]

lol.

 

It's a joke. Spittin has been around forever, his account was just deleted in error thus his join date of Oct 2015.

 

Ha...It was definitely written with a hint of sarcasm. I'm not the smartest guy in the world, but know not to take message boards seriously.

[Boxcar]

Its been proved the contract year doesn't improve performance. The extra motivation thing is mostly BS. I mean look at Bautista..

 

Encarnacion also had his worst year since he became good.

[brianf]

Its been proved the contract year doesn't improve performance. The extra motivation thing is mostly BS. I mean look at Bautista..

 

Yeah, I hate the contract year argument. I think research only shows a very slight increase in OPS in the contract year for hitters. I think for SP they actually say they perform worse but it is very minimal.

[Maahfaace]

Encarnacion also had his worst year since he became good.

I've heard this narrative used a lot around here, but if you look how he performed from June 1st on he put a 151 wRC+ with k rates and bb rates in line with his past 4 years. It might of just been nothing more than a bad start, but why use recency bias right?

Edited December 27, 2016 by Maahfaace

[GD]

It is pretty obvious 'spittin' meant the AL East.

 

Join Date: 05-04-2013

 

I hate when people don't capitalize the 'I' and make pointless comments. I also hate when people on boards assume they're better because they have been around an entire two years more then someone else.

 

Aside from the other joke that's been pointed out to you, I realize he meant the East, but the East has no impact on player value. 0/2. Delete your account!

 

Also, welcome to the board!

[burlingtonbandit]

I've heard this narrative used a lot around here, but if you look how he performed from June 1st on he put a 151 wRC+ with k rates and bb rates in line with his past 4 years. It might of just been nothing more than a bad start, but why use recency bias right?

 

In 2015 he had a 99 wRC+, worse than this year's of 102.

[RealAccountant]

Was listening to at the letters Jays year in review. Had forgotten how horrible September was.

[L54]

Harrison was more valuable than Bautista last year.

 

Come on.

[GD]

Come on.

 

I mean, he was

[Brownie19]

I mean, he was

 

I can look up WAR totals on fangraphs like a champ!

 

Christ - Barney was too in 200 fewer PA's