Can someone explain that call?

[Terminator]

I actually thought the contact might have affected the throw. The timing seemed right, and the way Forsythe yanked the throw kind of made sense. I dunno.

 

You almost have to assume it did. It wasn't a difficult throw to make and he totally botched it. Jose didn't make hard contact but he did get him a little bit.

 

It's f***ing s***** to lose like that but it is what it is.

 

I'll have to watch more replays to be sure (only saw it live and then two replays) but I think they probably got the call right - even though it wasn't egregious contact by Jose.

[Dylan]

When 50% of the board is okay with the call that led to the jays losing I get the feeling it's the right call and the other half are just upset we lost.

 

Had that been goins, we would have been pissed.

[intentional wok]

When 50% of the board is okay with the call that led to the jays losing I get the feeling it's the right call and the other half are just upset we lost.

 

Had that been goins, we would have been pissed.

 

Did Jose go screaming onto the field? This is a guy who pouts visibly over strike 1. He knows he f***ed up and couldn't even muster the horseshit to be fake outraged about it.

 

Agree. Right call. A pisser, but what's fair is fair.

[reedjohnsonfan]

Exactly. The rule changed and everyone was made aware. Chestbeating about pussification is both irrelevant and hypocritical. If Utley slide-tackled Tulo and put him on the shelf you bet this board would complain endlessly about not having rules to protect the infielders. "That's how we always did it" is not even an imitation of an excuse. Not to mention that actual grabbing has never been allowed.

 

No the pussification was about the western world in general and had nothing to do with baseball so I apologize for that.

 

To be honest I still think it's a hard play to overturn and also rule a double play. If this is the case I think we'll see plenty of these slides overturned this year or else maybe the MLB has it out for the Blue Jays, where is grant77 to support this?

[Frenchsoup]

Real good interview by Joey Bats.

[Laika]

Exactly. The rule changed and everyone was made aware. Chestbeating about pussification is both irrelevant and hypocritical. If Utley slide-tackled Tulo and put him on the shelf you bet this board would complain endlessly about not having rules to protect the infielders. "That's how we always did it" is not even an imitation of an excuse. Not to mention that actual grabbing has never been allowed.

 

Yeah I don't even think this was the new rule. The new rule is about banning the practice of a) starting slides late so that you physically take out a fielder's legs with force, and sliding away from the bag to take out a fielder.

 

What Jose did was just plain old interference, right?

[Boxcar]

Honestly I don't really know. It was a bit of a dirty play but something that was allowed although frowned upon not too long ago. This is why I don't agree with the call although they did change the rule.

 

You never saw this kind of play before because runners have always tried to "take out" the fielder with the slide itself, so they weren't using their hands. If a runner slid into the base as Jose did, it wouldn't have made sense before this season but he'd have still been called for interference because you can't grab guys with your hands as they are throwing and that's always been the case.

 

It's tough to swallow and I denied it for awhile but it was totally the correct call, which sucks. Give the umps credit for having the balls to end a game that way.

 

E: Also doesn't help while listening to Tabler and Buck. I watched it again on the Rays feed and it changed my perspective. Dewayne Staats and Brian Anderson are good at their jobs.

[Terminator]

Real good interview by Joey Bats.

 

What did he say?

[intentional wok]

Yeah I don't even think this was the new rule. The new rule is about banning the practice of a) starting slides late so that you physically take out a fielder's legs with force, and sliding away from the bag to take out a fielder.

 

What Jose did was just plain old interference, right?

 

I guess. It definitely wasn't one of those indefensible Coghlan or Utley tackles. He just interfered. Not much of an interference IMO, but rules are rules.

[Terminator]

You never saw this kind of play before because runners have always tried to "take out" the fielder with the slide itself, so they weren't using their hands.

 

Yeah that's a good point. If the old rules were in effect he could have just barreled in to him with a slide, no need to reach out.

[L54]

Bautista has absolutely no right to have his left arm extended while sliding to the inside of the base. It was a desperation play that didn't work out.

 

Best part of baseball is that we get to wake up and watch it again tomorrow.

[Statman]

What did Bautista say?

[Fastball21]

Exactly. The rule changed and everyone was made aware. Chestbeating about pussification is both irrelevant and hypocritical. If Utley slide-tackled Tulo and put him on the shelf you bet this board would complain endlessly about not having rules to protect the infielders. "That's how we always did it" is not even an imitation of an excuse. Not to mention that actual grabbing has never been allowed.

 

The rule was adjusted in the sake of player safety which is the right thing to do, but to call a batter out just because someone simply grabbed an apposing player has nothing to do with safety, it takes away from the game and has nothing to do with chestbeating or being hypocritical, lets see what happens if a similar play happens in October.

[X_X]

Bautista being overly aggressive cost us a game this time, wouldn't have last year ofc.

[THANOS]

What did he say?

 

He basically said that this rule came into play to keep players safe and and his contact was as soft and subtle as possible. He also said that, at some point common sense needs to come into play and they need to question whether the throw was even affected at all by the contact and if Edwin would have been safe regardless. The fact that they made the ruling they did shows they didn't even consider it.

[fatcowxlive]

Yeah I don't even think this was the new rule. The new rule is about banning the practice of a) starting slides late so that you physically take out a fielder's legs with force, and sliding away from the bag to take out a fielder.

 

What Jose did was just plain old interference, right?

 

Thats what I interpreted it as. But as Boxy said, I could see him doing this because he couldn't take the fielder out... it's still wrong though

[nmrch]

The rule was adjusted in the sake of player safety which is the right thing to do, but to call a batter out just because someone simply grabbed an apposing player has nothing to do with safety, it takes away from the game and has nothing to do with chestbeating or being hypocritical, lets see what happens if a similar play happens in October.

 

um, trying to take out the fielders legs underneath him with your hands is a safety thing. Besides it doesn't matter, interference is interference and that's how it's always been. Look at interference calls when a base runners obstructs the baseball and prevents a play from being made, it doesn't matter whether the interference was completely responsible for a botched play or only partially responsible, its still interference.

[intentional wok]

Yeah I don't even think this was the new rule. The new rule is about banning the practice of a) starting slides late so that you physically take out a fielder's legs with force, and sliding away from the bag to take out a fielder.

 

What Jose did was just plain old interference, right?

 

Actually, now that I think of it, this might have something to do with the rule change.

 

Unless I'm mistaken, this sort of play was not video reviewable until the "Utley rule" came out this offseason. Jose didn't break the Utley rule, but the enforcement of the Utley rule screwed him for his breaking of another rule. I don't even think Kevin Cash thought he'd win his appeal on a hand swipe. Was probably just making a last ditch effort to get something for his side, like when managers huff and puff over every play at the plate no matter how clean.

 

Again I'm not sure -- this could have been reviewable before and we've just never seen it used in this way.

[BigCecil]

Bautista has absolutely no right to have his left arm extended while sliding to the inside of the base. It was a desperation play that didn't work out.

 

Best part of baseball is that we get to wake up and watch it again tomorrow.

 

A-men. I didn't like it cause we lost. But if it was someone doing it on us, I'd probably be pissed. I just hope MLB is consistent this year on these calls. Get em again tomorrow boys.

[glory]

If this happened in the 5th inning, no one would be looking at this with any scrutiny. It happened in the 9th inning in a 1 run game with the bases loaded, and ended the game, that's why it's going to be a hot topic. But Bautista interfered with the play. By accident, on purpose, only he knows, but they reviewed it (rightly or wrongly) and looked like they got the call right. Just sucks for the Jays.

[Effit]

Whether they classify that under the Utley rule or not, given the fact that slides in general are under more scrutiny now, not a wise decision to try to sneak anything in there no matter how slight you might feel it is.

[intentional wok]

 

Jose just trying to deflect because he got busted. He's not stupid. He knows this wasn't about his slide.

[highhard2]

Quirballs got me waiting for the NHL playoffs already.

[RealAccountant]

Bautista being overly aggressive cost us a game this time, wouldn't have last year ofc.

 

If Bautista doesn't touch him

 

He probably doesn't make the error

[Nafro]

Cause Logan Forsythe is automatic at second base. Lol.

[highhard2]

The rule was adjusted in the sake of player safety which is the right thing to do, but to call a batter out just because someone simply grabbed an apposing player has nothing to do with safety, it takes away from the game and has nothing to do with chestbeating or being hypocritical, lets see what happens if a similar play happens in October.

Lets not even keep score anymore. Everyones a winner. f*** it just use a T and a plastic ball.Someone could get hurt by a pitch.I think they should take stealing bases out to.Mighty dangerous.

[Farm]

"A runner who engages in a "bona fide slide" shall not be called for interference under this Rule 6.01, even in cases where the runner makes contact with the fielder as a consequence of a permissible slide."

 

Let the debate be whether or not it was a bona fide slide. If it was, then interference is allowed.

[highhard2]

How did I know that a good chunk of quirville would agree with this rule.

[KingKat]

"A runner who engages in a "bona fide slide" shall not be called for interference under this Rule 6.01, even in cases where the runner makes contact with the fielder as a consequence of a permissible slide."

 

Let the debate be whether or not it was a bona fide slide. If it was, then interference is allowed.

 

Yeah but there's the other rule too. The first one Hurl posted. It's a complex situation that MLB will have to do it's best to clarify.

[Farm]

Yeah but there's the other rule too. The first one Hurl posted. It's a complex situation that MLB will have to do it's best to clarify.

 

Which one is that? Could you maybe link it to me real quick?