Westhead: Shapiro Told Blue Jays Payroll To Be $140MM+

[burlingtonbandit]

If Shapiro is looking to move Tulowitzki, he will probably bet on him bouncing back from the 2.5 fWAR he put up last year and closer to the 5 fWAR he pusted in each of 2013 and 2014.

 

Yeah seems like you could have him for another year or 2 then move him. I mean he had a f***in 170wRC+ just last year. Thats insane for a SS.

[BTS]

Obviously.. JimCanuck is a troll.

 

I'd disagreed with him, but never thought he was a troll.

[burlingtonbandit]

I'd disagreed with him, but never thought he was a troll.

 

He just said in another thread Liam Hendriks is best used as a swingman in a clear troll attempt.

[Jimcanuck]

He just said in another thread Liam Hendriks is best used as a swingman in a clear troll attempt.

 

Not trolling. Hendriks as a full time SP is a non-starter, his high in IP is 85 in 2012. Spot SP duty and reliever is all we can expect for 2016.

[L54]

2016- 3.5

2017- 3.0

2018- 2.5

2019- 2.0

2020- 1.5

________

12.5

 

12.5 WAR for 94M. At $8M/win (conservatively) you're looking at basically a break even contract, without accounting for salary inflation. Coupled with the fact that I'd take the over on 12.5 WAR from Tulo over the next five years you're not looking at an albatross as many are saying.

 

This is the exact type of player everyone would be screaming for the Jays to buy low on. 5 win SS coming off a career low year offensively.

[L54]

Really makes no sense to sell at the lowest point of one of the game's elite shortstops. I also don't believe Ryan Goins to be a 1.5 WAR shortstop.

[Jimcanuck]

Really makes no sense to sell at the lowest point of one of the game's elite shortstops. I also don't believe Ryan Goins to be a 1.5 WAR shortstop.

 

That's true, although there will be many teams thinking Tulo will rebound strongly. His injury history, age, dislike for Toronto (?), the Jays lack of pitching, and Pillar are reasons he may be moved.

[burlingtonbandit]

That's true, although there will be many teams thinking Tulo will rebound strongly. His injury history, age, dislike for Toronto (?), the Jays lack of pitching, and Pillar are reasons he may be moved.

 

When has he ever said he didn't like Toronto? Also what the hell does Pillar have to do with this?

[L54]

That's true, although there will be many teams thinking Tulo will rebound strongly. His injury history, age, dislike for Toronto (?), the Jays lack of pitching, and Pillar are reasons he may be moved.

 

Well sure. If someone is willing to trade for him like he's a 5 win player then by all means.

[ProfessionalAtBat]

That's true, although there will be many teams thinking Tulo will rebound strongly. His injury history, age, dislike for Toronto (?), the Jays lack of pitching, and Pillar are reasons he may be moved.

 

I lol'd

[Jimcanuck]

I lol'd

 

Of course, ignorance is bliss

[SAAviour]

 

Where did you hear this? Not the Brantley part, I know that is BS, but the "allowed" bringing 2 of his people.

 

I'm certain I have read it a few times. Not sure exactly where, sorry.

[ElNik2013]

2016- 3.5

2017- 3.0

2018- 2.5

2019- 2.0

2020- 1.5

________

12.5

 

12.5 WAR for 94M. At $8M/win (conservatively) you're looking at basically a break even contract, without accounting for salary inflation. Coupled with the fact that I'd take the over on 12.5 WAR from Tulo over the next five years you're not looking at an albatross as many are saying.

 

This is the exact type of player everyone would be screaming for the Jays to buy low on. 5 win SS coming off a career low year offensively.

 

 

Team will be awful in 2017 bro, just like it would be awful in 2015 after the Marlins trade. You know, that "franchise-crippling" trade they made in the 2012-13 off season.

 

Not that I agreed with that trade, but things happen. Shapiro needs to do some f***ing work, what's so hard about that. Yes AA made some awful trades, but he made some good ones too. And without drafting well enough, he wouldn't have been able to trade for a guy like Donaldson.

 

Anyway.

[TilsonBritoFan]

Hilarious that you are the only one to make this point in this thread. All the Rogers apologists are quite happy with 140.

 

I agree hilarious, so funny.

 

Whats hilarious would be if Rogers keeps the payroll approximately where it was last year, despite likely making close to $100 million more thank expected due to the 2015 resurgence.

 

They made about 30-50 million on playoff ticket sales alone (it would have been over 100 million if they had made WS and it went 7 games), plus all the extra food/drink they sold at those games, plus all those sellouts in the regular season. Then toss in the tripling (or more) of their TV audiences, means their TV revenues triple.

 

Thats probably about 100 million more in their pocket than they originally planned.

 

Instead of re-investing some of that and keeping the momentum going into next year they are just going to keep payroll the same?

 

f*** ROGERS.

[Atothe]

I agree hilarious, so funny.

 

Whats hilarious would be if Rogers keeps the payroll approximately where it was last year, despite likely making close to $100 million more thank expected due to the 2015 resurgence.

 

They made about 30-50 million on playoff ticket sales alone (it would have been over 100 million if they had made WS and it went 7 games), plus all the extra food/drink they sold at those games, plus all those sellouts in the regular season. Then toss in the tripling (or more) of their TV audiences, means their TV revenues triple.

 

Thats probably about 100 million more in their pocket than they originally planned.

 

Instead of re-investing some of that and keeping the momentum going into next year they are just going to keep payroll the same?

 

f*** ROGERS.

 

Do you know what a CBA is?

[TilsonBritoFan]

Yes. I'm coming at this from a fan's perspective, not a nug hugging Rogers fanboy perspective.

 

This place is trash lately. Just a bunch of fanboys who love prospects more than winning.

[Jimcanuck]

Yes. I'm coming at this from a fan's perspective, not a nug hugging Rogers fanboy perspective.

 

This place is trash lately. Just a bunch of fanboys who love prospects more than winning.

 

no. guys that understand winning comes from a productive farm. unless, of course, you are the dodgers with a $230M payroll.

[saskjayfan]

What teams have a need at short and would feasibly be willing to pay Tulo $100M? Detroit, and maybe the White Sox?

 

you said in another post Davis would get 5 150.....and there's no team out that would pay Tulo 6 109. Tulo is going to put a 5.5 WAR next year and say FYSMC

[Mikeleelop]

I agree hilarious, so funny.

 

Whats hilarious would be if Rogers keeps the payroll approximately where it was last year, despite likely making close to $100 million more thank expected due to the 2015 resurgence.

 

They made about 30-50 million on playoff ticket sales alone (it would have been over 100 million if they had made WS and it went 7 games), plus all the extra food/drink they sold at those games, plus all those sellouts in the regular season. Then toss in the tripling (or more) of their TV audiences, means their TV revenues triple.

 

Thats probably about 100 million more in their pocket than they originally planned.

 

Instead of re-investing some of that and keeping the momentum going into next year they are just going to keep payroll the same?

 

f*** ROGERS.

 

Agree. We've been so conditioned to think payroll will be cut that when it's not we are thankful. TV viewer numbers mean the jays TV rights are the most valuable in mlb. Payroll should jump to keep this momentum going but idiots at Rogers are short term greedy and won't invest in team, Cuba, Japan etc

[BTS]

you said in another post Davis would get 5 150.....and there's no team out that would pay Tulo 6 109. Tulo is going to put a 5.5 WAR next year and say FYSMC

 

Not 5/150 lol. Maybe close to 150 on a 7-year deal.

[Boxcar]

I believe in Tulo and alarmists like BTS are just trying to get a rise out of people. What a dork.

[saskjayfan]

Not 5/150 lol. Maybe close to 150 on a 7-year deal.

 

you quite well have said 7 150, but the point is the same...tulo at 6 109 isn't that bad...premium players don't come at a discount.

[BTS]

you quite well have said 7 150, but the point is the same...tulo at 6 109 isn't that bad...premium players don't come at a discount.

 

I think I just said 150 and didn't specify the years.

 

Anyway, he's a year and a half younger than Tulowitzki. And an important point: I've never actually said that Tulo's contract is bad. Just that it's about what I'd expect him to get via free agency, and I don't think it has any trade value. IMO most teams wouldn't take that deal on.

[Spanky99]

I agree hilarious, so funny.

 

Whats hilarious would be if Rogers keeps the payroll approximately where it was last year, despite likely making close to $100 million more thank expected due to the 2015 resurgence.

 

They made about 30-50 million on playoff ticket sales alone (it would have been over 100 million if they had made WS and it went 7 games), plus all the extra food/drink they sold at those games, plus all those sellouts in the regular season. Then toss in the tripling (or more) of their TV audiences, means their TV revenues triple.

 

Thats probably about 100 million more in their pocket than they originally planned.

 

Instead of re-investing some of that and keeping the momentum going into next year they are just going to keep payroll the same?

 

f*** ROGERS.

 

That's a starting cap isn't it, initial budget? I'm sure there's a lot more room to spend throughout the season.

 

That would be a lot more than initially played out by some on here. I was hoping for the 150 range.

[Spanky99]

I believe in Tulo and alarmists like BTS are just trying to get a rise out of people. What a dork.

 

Well, he did tell me EE was on a regression, cause of age etc, he's dumn.

[TilsonBritoFan]

That's a starting cap isn't it, initial budget? I'm sure there's a lot more room to spend throughout the season.

 

I sure hope so.

 

Either way, I'm surprised most here are just happy that we aren't trimming payroll. Whats sad is that you guys are expecting cuts. I mean, if they trim payroll after what we just watched this year, they might as well just fold the franchise.

[Spanky99]

I sure hope so.

 

Either way, I'm surprised most here are just happy that we aren't trimming payroll. Whats sad is that you guys are expecting cuts. I mean, if they trim payroll after what we just watched this year, they might as well just fold the franchise.

 

I'm not expecting cuts, the theorist, are. Next season might be a lot different, but I don't see it this season, if anything we'll be spending.

[Spanky99]

EE played through a hammy injury, a sports hernia, and a strained ligament in his up yours finger, dude's a beast. 45 Bombs next year... book it.

[BTS]

Well, he did tell me EE was on a regression, cause of age etc, he's dumn.

 

There's a reason why his projections dropped almost 10% between the offseason and the end of June. When he does decline, it will look like his first 300 PA this year (drop in BB rate, spike in K-rate etc...). If you looked at that and didn't acknowledge that it was a bit concerning you weren't being honest.

[GeorgiaPeach]

I sure hope so.

 

Either way, I'm surprised most here are just happy that we aren't trimming payroll. Whats sad is that you guys are expecting cuts. I mean, if they trim payroll after what we just watched this year, they might as well just fold the franchise.

 

Why's that?

 

Torontonians and Canadians aren't really baseball fans like they claim?