Westhead: Shapiro Told Blue Jays Payroll To Be $140MM+

[Grant77]

What age does defense peak at?? His defensive numbers are plumetting. Looks like they started going down, then they switched him to left.

 

I'm not sure, but I'd presume defensive peak lasts until around 30 like it does with hitting. As well, there's little in the stats to suggest that his D declined in 2015. He actually put up excellent numbers in a short CF sample, just showing how volatile they are. I think he's the same as he always was.

[Boxcar]

Hilarious that you are the only one to make this point in this thread. All the Rogers apologists are quite happy with 140.

 

140 with Mark Shapiro goes a lot further than 140 with AA. It's still a high payroll and there's no reason to complain about it.

[Slugger]

140 with Mark Shapiro goes a lot further than 140 with AA. It's still a high payroll and there's no reason to complain about it.

 

Yeah, but m'sellouts and muh merchandise sales and muh #evilcorporation

[Ehjays]

Yeah, but m'sellouts and muh merchandise sales and muh #evilcorporation

 

Merchandise sales are MLB profits not team oriented

[Olerud363]

WAR from offense has nothing to do with position.

 

Batting runs are relative to league average hitting talent.

Defensive runs are relative to positional average defensive talent.

 

That's how it works!

 

That wasn't really my point. arrgghhh... You seemed to be claiming there's no defensive adjustment for left field. But there is... If you don't adjust defense then you'd have to adjust offense.

 

Or are you saying Revere can contribute just as much as a left fielder? Even if he was a great defensive player I don't think that's true. You think the good defensive left fielders wouldn't contribute more as centerfielders??

 

Anyway fan graphs doesn't think Ben Revere contributes much on defense. The projection system see's his baserunning declining and his hitting regressing to his career average.

 

I just don't see him as being valued as a trade commodity. I'd be happy to be wrong and see the Jays get something for him.

[burlingtonbandit]

140 with Mark Shapiro goes a lot further than 140 with AA. It's still a high payroll and there's no reason to complain about it.

 

Fans have every right to complain when ticket prices raise 10-25% and payroll stays the same. It's already been confirmed ticket prices are going up.

[BTS]

Fans have every right to complain when ticket prices raise 10-25% and payroll stays the same. It's already been confirmed ticket prices are going up.

 

http://www.statista.com/statistics/193673/average-ticket-price-in-the-mlb-by-team/

 

Looks like the team has bottom-half ticket prices and a top-10 payroll. Complaining about Rogers is ridiculous, and has been for three years.

[dineke]

Fans have every right to complain when ticket prices raise 10-25% and payroll stays the same. It's already been confirmed ticket prices are going up.

 

fans can just stop going then

[burlingtonbandit]

http://www.statista.com/statistics/193673/average-ticket-price-in-the-mlb-by-team/

 

Looks like the team has bottom-half ticket prices and a top-10 payroll. Complaining about Rogers is ridiculous, and has been for three years.

 

Rogers is a terrible owner, I think fans complain too much overall but when Rogers makes as much money as they do and fail to put money into the team when it's needed it doesn't do well for its reputation. Rogers just made over 100 million off the team his year and then to say payroll will remain the same and cite the U.S dollar is just going to make fans angry...

[BTS]

Rogers is a terrible owner, I think fans complain too much overall but when Rogers makes as much money as they do and fail to put money into the team when it's needed it doesn't do well for its reputation. Rogers just made over 100 million off the team his year and then to say payroll will remain the same and cite the U.S dollar is just going to make fans angry...

 

Rogers is a fine owner. Your just dumn.

[burlingtonbandit]

Rogers is a fine owner. Your just dumn.

 

Lol you and your BS...

[Jonn]

Would have been nice to go to 150-160 but we can live at 140. No reason why we can't add enough pitching to win the division again.

[Atothe]

Rogers is a fine owner. Your just dumn.

 

Anti Canadian

[Pulk_Pull]

I'll take a consistent payroll over one that fluctuates with the popularity of the team any day.

[Laika]

That wasn't really my point. arrgghhh... You seemed to be claiming there's no defensive adjustment for left field. But there is... If you don't adjust defense then you'd have to adjust offense.

 

Or are you saying Revere can contribute just as much as a left fielder? Even if he was a great defensive player I don't think that's true. You think the good defensive left fielders wouldn't contribute more as centerfielders??

 

Anyway fan graphs doesn't think Ben Revere contributes much on defense. The projection system see's his baserunning declining and his hitting regressing to his career average.

 

I just don't see him as being valued as a trade commodity. I'd be happy to be wrong and see the Jays get something for him.

 

This post is drivel

[GeorgiaPeach]

Fans have every right to complain when ticket prices raise 10-25% and payroll stays the same. It's already been confirmed ticket prices are going up.

 

If the team on the field is successful enough (sellouts) no one will be complaining aside from the people buying tickets on the secondary market.

 

Jays fans were crying this year about secondary market prices for playoff tickets. Hilarious.

[Trouba95]

I really want to know whether we hold onto both Jose and Edwin or trade one or trade both.

[BTS]

I really want to know whether we hold onto both Jose and Edwin or trade one or trade both.

 

If I'm a betting man, I put money on one getting traded in a deal that includes an above-average starting pitcher with multiple years of team control.

[THANOS]

If I'm a betting man, I put money on one getting traded in a deal that includes an above-average starting pitcher with multiple years of team control.

 

Would Shapiro have the balls to trade Jose this off-season to Cleveland for Carrasco? Also would Jose wave his no-trade clause, and would we need to add to the package?

[o2cui2i]

The projection system see's his baserunning declining and his hitting regressing to his career average.

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his base stealing disappeared after he came to Toronto because Gibbons told him not to steal. mathematical metrics are useless if you don't put real life factors into them.

[BTS]

Would Shapiro have the balls to trade Jose this off-season to Cleveland for Carrasco? Also would Jose wave his no-trade clause, and would we need to add to the package?

 

I don't think Antonetti does that. Carrasco has like 5 years of cheap team control left. Shapiro would have to add things.

[dineke]

Would Shapiro have the balls to trade Jose this off-season to Cleveland for Carrasco? Also would Jose wave his no-trade clause, and would we need to add to the package?

 

How would trading Jose for Carrasco require balls? no brainer lol

 

Something like selling high on Donaldson though... that would take balls.

[thatoneguy]

I don't think Antonetti does that. Carrasco has like 5 years of cheap team control left. Shapiro would have to add things.

 

Cleveland definitely is looking for a big RH bat. They also need another outfielder since their only real above avg. player out there is Brantley.

[GD]

If I'm a betting man, I put money on one getting traded in a deal that includes an above-average starting pitcher with multiple years of team control.

 

I don't even know who honestly. Bautista's value is probably $20m and Edwin's value is probably $13m and I can't see Bau getting traded. A $13m pitcher isn't that valuable (if that $13m is over 3 years or whatever).

[BTS]

I don't even know who honestly. Bautista's value is probably $20m and Edwin's value is probably $13m and I can't see Bau getting traded. A $13m pitcher isn't that valuable (if that $13m is over 3 years or whatever).

 

I wonder if the Rays would move three years of Smyly to address the fact that their offense is f***ing garbage. Probably a moot point, because who would waive 10-5 to go to TB?

[thatoneguy]

I'm guessing Salazar would get a similar return, given that he is younger than Carrasco and also with wipeout stuff. Only reason I mention him is that I've seen a few rumblings that the Indians might be more willing to ship him out than Cookie.

[Ehjays]

I'm guessing Salazar would get a similar return, given that he is younger than Carrasco and also with wipeout stuff. Only reason I mention him is that I've seen a few rumblings that the Indians might be more willing to ship him out than Cookie.

 

We'll take either .....But Cleveland will not take JB as his salary would be close to 15 - 20% of their team payroll.

[GreekFatAss]

We'll take either .....But Cleveland will not take JB as his salary would be close to 15 - 20% of their team payroll.

 

I'll put together a collection plate to pay for the remaining $14 mil if it means adding a top of the rotation starter with control.

[Laika]

I'm pretty f***ing excited for the Shapiro era, you guys.

[BTS]

I'm pretty f***ing excited for the Shapiro era, you guys.

 

Me too brotato