Westhead: Shapiro Told Blue Jays Payroll To Be $140MM+

[KingKat]

What are you even saying Gibbers

 

I think his point is that just because something isn't a certainty, doesn't mean it isn't a reasonable assumption. Pillar being worth more to the Jays isn't a certainty but as NJH argued, it's probably a fair assumption.

[GeorgiaPeach]

What are you even saying Gibbers

 

That the possibilities are endless for anything. And there's no reason for speculation any more.

[glory]

Pillar has five years of control, is going to be dirt cheap the next two seasons, and is projected to be a 2.5 WAR player next season. Given that he isn't a great hitter and doesn't come with tremendous upside, his trade value likely won't represent his value to the Jays. So you keep him and let him provide excess value in CF until he becomes expendable or too expensive. I mean if there's a team out there willing to give up a s*** ton for him, then sure, but that's probably not very likely.

[Atothe]

Happy Shapiro day. Press conference at 2pm

[Mikeleelop]

the more I think about this the more outrage (or disbelief) I feel

 

why in the f*** would Rogers not increase the budget after the revenue bump they realized with a competitive winning team. a $30million bump to $170mil payroll would have a huge impact on revenue. it would make the team the talk of the MLB and fans would continue increasing ratings and attendance. Why hold payroll?? greed plain and simple. Plus a bit of stupidity, if rogers doesn't think there will be a back lash from a less competitive team that is EDDY ROGERs STUPID

[CHRIS]

Plus a bit of stupidity, if rogers doesn't think there will be a back lash from a less competitive team that is EDDY ROGERs STUPID

 

I think you're making a couple of incorrect assumptions here:

 

1. That maintaining payroll will automatically equate to a less competitive team

2. That floating the $140 million number means that they've locked in that number and can't adjust as needed

 

Why don't we just wait to hear what Shapiro has to say before we prep our caps lock button?

[KingKat]

the more I think about this the more outrage (or disbelief) I feel

 

why in the f*** would Rogers not increase the budget after the revenue bump they realized with a competitive winning team. a $30million bump to $170mil payroll would have a huge impact on revenue. it would make the team the talk of the MLB and fans would continue increasing ratings and attendance. Why hold payroll?? greed plain and simple. Plus a bit of stupidity, if rogers doesn't think there will be a back lash from a less competitive team that is EDDY ROGERs STUPID

 

This is far from stupid. The AA model wasn't going to work with corporate ownership. He's show that he can't manage payroll effectively. He couldn't win with less payroll. He couldn't win with his first payroll bump. He had to have a do-over to finally show that he can win WITH money and he still had to burn some prospect capital to get him over the hump. Shapiro is a better fit for Rogers. They want someone that knows how to manage payroll effectively. You could equate that with being cheap but maintaining the same payroll AA had given that the currency of its revenue (CDN dollar) is shrinking vis-à-vis the currency of the payroll (US dollar) is hardly being cheap. It's more than reasonable. They just want it managed better and who can blame them.

[intrigid]

the more I think about this the more outrage (or disbelief) I feel

 

why in the f*** would Rogers not increase the budget after the revenue bump they realized with a competitive winning team.

They are increasing the budget in 2016 tho in terms of Canadian dollars. In terms of US dollars (where most of their expenses are) their revenue hasn't increased that much.

[Laika]

This is far from stupid. The AA model wasn't going to work with corporate ownership. He's show that he can't manage payroll effectively. He couldn't win with less payroll. He couldn't win with his first payroll bump. He had to have a do-over to finally show that he can win WITH money and he still had to burn some prospect capital to get him over the hump. Shapiro is a better fit for Rogers. They want someone that knows how to manage payroll effectively. You could equate that with being cheap but maintaining the same payroll AA had given that the currency of its revenue (CDN dollar) is shrinking vis-à-vis the currency of the payroll (US dollar) is hardly being cheap. It's more than reasonable. They just want it managed better and who can blame them.

 

I want to thank this 10000000000 times

[burlingtonbandit]

This is far from stupid. The AA model wasn't going to work with corporate ownership. He's show that he can't manage payroll effectively. He couldn't win with less payroll. He couldn't win with his first payroll bump. He had to have a do-over to finally show that he can win WITH money and he still had to burn some prospect capital to get him over the hump. Shapiro is a better fit for Rogers. They want someone that knows how to manage payroll effectively. You could equate that with being cheap but maintaining the same payroll AA had given that the currency of its revenue (CDN dollar) is shrinking vis-à-vis the currency of the payroll (US dollar) is hardly being cheap. It's more than reasonable. They just want it managed better and who can blame them.

 

I've seen this a lot on here lately that Rogers has been outstanding since the payroll is top 10 etc... Now I agree with almost every point you made but would you say the payroll is reasonable if the Jays had top 5 revenue and profit in baseball?

 

If the Yankees and Red Sox had a payroll in the $160 range their fans wouldn't be happy because it is "top 10 in baseball", they know like everyone else it should be top 5 because of the amount of revenue brought in by the club.

 

So my question is this, "As a Blue Jays fan if you knew that Rogers was making say $30-50 million per season on the Blue Jays would you think payroll was reasonable"?

[BTS]

I've seen this a lot on here lately that Rogers has been outstanding since the payroll is top 10 etc... Now I agree with almost every point you made but would you say the payroll is reasonable if the Jays had top 5 revenue and profit in baseball?

 

If the Yankees and Red Sox had a payroll in the $160 range their fans wouldn't be happy because it is "top 10 in baseball", they know like everyone else it should be top 5 because of the amount of revenue brought in by the club.

 

So my question is this, "As a Blue Jays fan if you knew that Rogers was making say $30-50 million per season on the Blue Jays would you think payroll was reasonable"?

 

Yes.

[burlingtonbandit]

Yes.

 

Fair enough. Thats all I wanted to know that if as a fan you felt comfortable with that.

[Laika]

People ignore the Blue Jays for ~20 years, and then buy a 6ix pack in 2015 and all of a sudden Rogers owes it to them and other fans to jack payroll by $20M, vaulting the team to like 6th in the entire league, while the Canadian dollar bottoms out.

 

Laughable.

 

Rogers has the right to pocket whatever they want off of the Blue Jays. Fans should be very happy with a top 10 payroll.

 

As someone who belongs to the $/WAR religion, I actually hope they slash payroll down to the bottom third of the league. Being a fan actually gets interesting down there.

[Terminator]

 

As someone who belongs to the $/WAR religion, I actually hope they slash payroll down to the bottom third of the league. Being a fan actually gets interesting down there.

 

Serious? haha

 

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[burlingtonbandit]

People ignore the Blue Jays for ~20 years, and then buy a 6ix pack in 2015 and all of a sudden Rogers owes it to them and other fans to jack payroll by $20M, vaulting the team to like 6th in the entire league, while the Canadian dollar bottoms out.

 

Laughable.

 

Rogers has the right to pocket whatever they want off of the Blue Jays. Fans should be very happy with a top 10 payroll.

 

As someone who belongs to the $/WAR religion, I actually hope they slash payroll down to the bottom third of the league. Being a fan actually gets interesting down there.

 

Wtf

[A0FF]

People ignore the Blue Jays for ~20 years, and then buy a 6ix pack in 2015 and all of a sudden Rogers owes it to them and other fans to jack payroll by $20M, vaulting the team to like 6th in the entire league, while the Canadian dollar bottoms out.

 

Laughable.

 

Rogers has the right to pocket whatever they want off of the Blue Jays. Fans should be very happy with a top 10 payroll.

 

As someone who belongs to the $/WAR religion, I actually hope they slash payroll down to the bottom third of the league. Being a fan actually gets interesting down there.

 

Lol

 

And I bet you're the type that foams at the mouth for higher taxes on the "rich". How dare small business owners wanna make some profit, but suddenly it's ok for Rogers to wanna pocket because you're a stat nerd.

[THANOS]

People ignore the Blue Jays for ~20 years, and then buy a 6ix pack in 2015 and all of a sudden Rogers owes it to them and other fans to jack payroll by $20M, vaulting the team to like 6th in the entire league, while the Canadian dollar bottoms out.

 

Laughable.

 

Rogers has the right to pocket whatever they want off of the Blue Jays. Fans should be very happy with a top 10 payroll.

 

As someone who belongs to the $/WAR religion, I actually hope they slash payroll down to the bottom third of the league. Being a fan actually gets interesting down there.

 

10/10 troll post! Well done!

[BTS]

Serious? haha

 

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I wouldn't want payroll in the bottom third, but I also find it a lot more fun cheering for a team with actual payroll restrictions. Give me the 10th highest payroll instead of one in the top-3. It's a lot more interesting that way.

[Mikeleelop]

revenue bump in Canadian dollars is significant. The value of the TV rights is huge. The TV viewer numbers are the highest by far in MLB. The viewer numbers are higher than the best Nhl numbers Rogers paid $5billion dollars for. The fact that it is Canadian dollars does not change the fact that the Jays should be in the top 5 payroll in MLB and still earn a great return. from a business standpoint, Rogers has to figure this out. Corporate ownership should look to maximize return. The corporate owner will maximize revenue by putting the most competitive team on the field. This year, with a thin minor league talent pool, the team needs to jump into the Free agency pool to fill the pitching needs. YOu need an ace like price or greinkie. you also need someone to fill Estrada's role as 3rd/4th starter. you need to buy a few more power bullpen arms for depth, this will cost dollars. But from a cost/benefit view and a corporate return perspective - going in with a splash will earn them the most dollars.

 

that is my point - Rogers had huge success (both wins and revenue) and have not learned it was because AA went all in.. Toronto loved this. Go get two or three great FA signings and watch the $$ flow in.

[Bluejaysblend]

People keep bringing up the Canadian dollar being an issue, well its not. I believe Rogers hedge the dollar $1.098

[glory]

People ignore the Blue Jays for ~20 years, and then buy a 6ix pack in 2015 and all of a sudden Rogers owes it to them and other fans to jack payroll by $20M, vaulting the team to like 6th in the entire league, while the Canadian dollar bottoms out.

 

Laughable.

 

Rogers has the right to pocket whatever they want off of the Blue Jays. Fans should be very happy with a top 10 payroll.

 

As someone who belongs to the $/WAR religion, I actually hope they slash payroll down to the bottom third of the league. Being a fan actually gets interesting down there.

 

Why not keep the top 10 payroll while having a management team that believes in $/WAR? That looks like where the Jays are headed and it's far better than having a bottom third payroll.

[Terminator]

I wouldn't want payroll in the bottom third, but I also find it a lot more fun cheering for a team with actual payroll restrictions. Give me the 10th highest payroll instead of one in the top-3. It's a lot more interesting that way.

 

Well your team is not only in the bottom third it's dead last isn't it?

 

But I guess I see what you are saying but I like winning and find winning to be the most interesting of all. The higher the payroll in theory the easier it should be to win. So I'd take the Yanks payroll over our payroll easily. Just need a good GM to manage it and make sure it doesn't get out of control.

[THANOS]

revenue bump in Canadian dollars is significant. The value of the TV rights is huge. The TV viewer numbers are the highest by far in MLB. The viewer numbers are higher than the best Nhl numbers Rogers paid $5billion dollars for. The fact that it is Canadian dollars does not change the fact that the Jays should be in the top 5 payroll in MLB and still earn a great return. from a business standpoint, Rogers has to figure this out. Corporate ownership should look to maximize return. The corporate owner will maximize revenue by putting the most competitive team on the field. This year, with a thin minor league talent pool, the team needs to jump into the Free agency pool to fill the pitching needs. YOu need an ace like price or greinkie. you also need someone to fill Estrada's role as 3rd/4th starter. you need to buy a few more power bullpen arms for depth, this will cost dollars. But from a cost/benefit view and a corporate return perspective - going in with a splash will earn them the most dollars.

 

that is my point - Rogers had huge success (both wins and revenue) and have not learned it was because AA went all in.. Toronto loved this. Go get two or three great FA signings and watch the $$ flow in.

 

This is very true and many here are missing this. It's the reason why 2013 was a ticket sale success compared to other years. Hype generates not only advance ticket sales, but sales throughout the season as well just to see the stars compete. The contracts may become albatross' but could very well be off-set by public interest being theoretically capitalized. It's the same reason the Darvish contract was a success for Texas (even if he ended up being mediocre), and the Pujols deal was for LA (with their heavy Latino demo).

 

People keep bringing up the Canadian dollar being an issue, well its not. I believe Rogers hedge the dollar $1.098

 

Indeed they do. They hedge it enough to account for variance.

[Laika]

10/10 troll post! Well done!

 

Thank you. This means a lot.

[Boxcar]

Lol

 

And I bet you're the type that foams at the mouth for higher taxes on the "rich". How dare small business owners wanna make some profit, but suddenly it's ok for Rogers to wanna pocket because you're a stat nerd.

 

Talk about a tangent

[THANOS]

Thank you. This means a lot.

 

Intention = realized. Recognition is deserved. I tip my hat kind sir.

[burlingtonbandit]

revenue bump in Canadian dollars is significant. The value of the TV rights is huge. The TV viewer numbers are the highest by far in MLB. The viewer numbers are higher than the best Nhl numbers Rogers paid $5billion dollars for. The fact that it is Canadian dollars does not change the fact that the Jays should be in the top 5 payroll in MLB and still earn a great return. from a business standpoint, Rogers has to figure this out. Corporate ownership should look to maximize return. The corporate owner will maximize revenue by putting the most competitive team on the field. This year, with a thin minor league talent pool, the team needs to jump into the Free agency pool to fill the pitching needs. YOu need an ace like price or greinkie. you also need someone to fill Estrada's role as 3rd/4th starter. you need to buy a few more power bullpen arms for depth, this will cost dollars. But from a cost/benefit view and a corporate return perspective - going in with a splash will earn them the most dollars.

 

that is my point - Rogers had huge success (both wins and revenue) and have not learned it was because AA went all in.. Toronto loved this. Go get two or three great FA signings and watch the $$ flow in.

 

Rogers gets a ridiculous deal on the TV contract since the Blue Jays can only negotiate with SN which screws over the jays. In 2013 the TV deal was worth a whopping $36 million. No one knows the actual figure for 2015 or 2016? but my guess is it is close to $80 million or more.

 

How much would it get on the open market if CBC or TSN was allowed to bid for the rights? Probably close to $200 million if not more would be my guess but its all a guessing game. So SN (Rogers) gets an unreal deal since they don't have to pay revenue sharing on the TV deal and get to keep all the profit, while the Blue Jays in a way get screwed since it won't show up in their profits.

[thatoneguy]

I wouldn't want payroll in the bottom third, but I also find it a lot more fun cheering for a team with actual payroll restrictions. Give me the 10th highest payroll instead of one in the top-3. It's a lot more interesting that way.

 

So part of your enjoyment stems from how many financial gymnastics the team has to perform?

 

I just want to win, whatever gives us the better chance at winning...

[Laika]

Lol

 

And I bet you're the type that foams at the mouth for higher taxes on the "rich". How dare small business owners wanna make some profit, but suddenly it's ok for Rogers to wanna pocket because you're a stat nerd.

 

This is a legitimately insane post. You might be very stupid. You should get checked out.

[BTS]

So part of your enjoyment stems from how many financial gymnastics the team has to perform?

 

I just want to win, whatever gives us the better chance at winning...

 

Yes. Granted, my opinion would be different if I were actually on the team and winning baseball games.