Westhead: Shapiro Told Blue Jays Payroll To Be $140MM+

[THANOS]

We were 6th in the AL in payroll last year. Marginally ahead of BAL, SEA and some other s*** team. I think a fair request is to get into the LAA/TEX territory which is 150M.

 

Given our market, I tend to agree.

[HERPDERP]

Given our market, I tend to agree.

 

"But the Royals won with $113m in payroll, surely the Jays can too"

 

-Rogers prez

[THANOS]

"But the Royals won with $113m in payroll, surely the Jays can too"

 

-Rogers prez

 

I would not be surprised if that was brought up.

[Sammy225]

"But the Royals won with $113m in payroll, surely the Jays can too"

 

-Rogers prez

 

If us as fans are bitching about only having the 6th highest payroll in the league what does that say about us. If we can't field a competitive team with that kind of payroll maybe we shouldn't worry about Payroll and more about management. Which is one reason why I for 1 don't give 2 shits that AA is gone has he has been given a top 10 payroll for the last few years and only now after selling a lot of the farm was he able to get us into the play offs after over half of the season of mediocrity.

 

Rogers was the least of our concerns in my eyes. A good GM should be able to take that Payroll and make a solid team out of it.

[Jimcanuck]

Cdn $, folks

[Governator]

Cdn $, folks

 

No.. no it's not.

[Jimcanuck]

No.. no it's not.

 

Hedging is a short term solution. Beyond the short term, with revenues mainly in Cdn $ and liabilities in US $ of course it is a major consideration.

[burlingtonbandit]

If us as fans are bitching about only having the 6th highest payroll in the league what does that say about us. If we can't field a competitive team with that kind of payroll maybe we shouldn't worry about Payroll and more about management. Which is one reason why I for 1 don't give 2 shits that AA is gone has he has been given a top 10 payroll for the last few years and only now after selling a lot of the farm was he able to get us into the play offs after over half of the season of mediocrity.

 

Rogers was the least of our concerns in my eyes. A good GM should be able to take that Payroll and make a solid team out of it.

 

6/15 teams really isn't that good lol. If payroll remains around the same this year it will likely be average when comparing other teams.

[Krylian]

Cdn $, folks

No one mentions it... But it's a thing.

[RealAccountant]

Hedging is a short term solution. Beyond the short term, with revenues mainly in Cdn $ and liabilities in US $ of course it is a major consideration.

 

Aren't merchandising revenue and Central TV contract revenue in USD? What's that worth

[Sammy225]

6/15 teams really isn't that good lol. If payroll remains around the same this year it will likely be average when comparing other teams.

 

And 1 out of the 5 teams ahead of us made the playoffs. Not that i am using that as an excuse but you can build a damn good team for 130-140m dollars. I would rather it stay right there so we don't think we can throw big contracts a players and end up handcuffing ourselves.

[Krylian]

And 1 out of the 5 teams ahead of us made the playoffs. Not that i am using that as an excuse but you can build a damn good team for 130-140m dollars. I would rather it stay right there so we don't think we can throw big contracts a players and end up handcuffing ourselves.

 

Home grown talent.

 

I don't have these numbers but my guess is the teams with lower payrolls that were successful had way more home grown players than the Jays. Jays lost patience and decided to buy players... For the most part. Not saying it's wrong... Just a faster and more expensive approach.

[dineke]

Home grown talent.

 

I don't have these numbers but my guess is the teams with lower payrolls that were successful had way more home grown players than the Jays. Jays lost patience and decided to buy players... For the most part. Not saying it's wrong... Just a faster and more expensive approach.

 

it was wrong. We could have been the cubs of the AL if it wasn't for the 2012 off season.

[Sammy225]

Home grown talent.

 

I don't have these numbers but my guess is the teams with lower payrolls that were successful had way more home grown players than the Jays. Jays lost patience and decided to buy players... For the most part. Not saying it's wrong... Just a faster and more expensive approach.

 

Exactly they stay the course the course they were on they could have Synder Stro, Hendo (health depending) at the top of their rotation you can save money by adding 1 or 2 2nd tier starters and not always looking at big free agent starters (which generally come back to haunt teams down the road) to round things out and money can be spent elsewhere. Before the Mets and Marlins trade i thought AA was well on his way to developing a system like that of Cardinals, and Giants to an extent.

 

I think it is the better way to run a club then Trying to be the yankees and dodgers and and spend as much money as you can and ignore developing your own players so you can trade them off for more big money guys.

[Pulk_Pull]

Only matters if they spend the money wisely. I'm hoping they don't spend just for the sake of it and use it in shrewd moves to put this team into contention next year, but with an eye for the long-term stability of this team.

 

Rogers is a business and if the they giveth, they can definitely taketh if the team isn't performing up to snuff.

[Jimcanuck]

it was wrong. We could have been the cubs of the AL if it wasn't for the 2012 off season.

 

+1

 

The day the Dickey trade went down might be the worst day of my life as a Jays fan.

[burlingtonbandit]

it was wrong. We could have been the cubs of the AL if it wasn't for the 2012 off season.

 

I'd say the Mets are the better comparison with the pitching staff. Blue Jays really didn't have any star position players besides d'Arnaud. There was Lawrie and Marisnick but they never developed (at least not yet).

[Jimcanuck]

I'd say the Mets are the better comparison with the pitching staff. Blue Jays really didn't have any star position players besides d'Arnaud. There was Lawrie and Marisnick but they never developed (at least not yet).

 

Hech is a valuable asset, not a star.

[burlingtonbandit]

Hech is a valuable asset, not a star.

 

Forgot about him. I don't think he's that valuable though. Below average hitter who by the numbers has had 1 great defensive season in 3 years. Seems pretty similar to Goins with a little better bat.

[Jimcanuck]

Forgot about him. I don't think he's that valuable though. Below average hitter who by the numbers has had 1 great defensive season in 3 years. Seems pretty similar to Goins with a little better bat.

 

Uh, 3 WAR for $0.5M IS valuable

[burlingtonbandit]

Uh, 3 WAR for $0.5M IS valuable

 

In his career up to that point it was -2.2. Still not a good hitter so I don't think teams are going to be fooled by his defensive metrics being extremely high in one season. Still has value but now that he is in arb. I don't think its all that high.

[Jimcanuck]

In his career up to that point it was -2.2. Still not a good hitter so I don't think teams are going to be fooled by his defensive metrics being extremely high in one season. Still has value but now that he is in arb. I don't think its all that high.

 

Still only 26 yrs old, his peak years are coming up. He'll likely average 3+ WAR through ARB.

[burlingtonbandit]

Still only 26 yrs old, his peak years are coming up. He'll likely average 3+ WAR through ARB.

 

Peak level for defense is 23-25 IIRC. I'll take the under on that bet right now.

[Jimcanuck]

Peak level for defense is 23-25 IIRC. I'll take the under on that bet right now.

 

How much you want to wager?

 

Has to be averaged over 600 PA. Injuries and s***.

[burlingtonbandit]

How much you want to wager?

 

Has to be averaged over 600 PA. Injuries and s***.

 

He hasn't had one season with 600PA so not sure why we would be using that number. I'll bet $50 he is under 3 WAR this year.

[TilsonBritoFan]

Still only 26 yrs old, his peak years are coming up. He'll likely average 3+ WAR through ARB.

 

 

You aren't seriously trying to argue that we are missing Hech now, are you? I'd rather have Goins. We don't miss Hech.

[TilsonBritoFan]

He hasn't had one season with 600PA so not sure why we would be using that number. I'll bet $50 he is under 3 WAR this year.

 

Pretty safe bet. You should easily win.

[Jimcanuck]

You aren't seriously trying to argue that we are missing Hech now, are you? I'd rather have Goins. We don't miss Hech.

 

Goins over Hech? LOL

[TilsonBritoFan]

They are both gold glovers who can't hit. Youre the one overvaluing Hech. Im just dragging him back down to earth: Goins level.

 

Your hate on for AA and the Marlins trade is getting annoying.

[Jimcanuck]

They are both gold glovers who can't hit. Youre the one overvaluing Hech. Im just dragging him back down to earth: Goins level.

 

Your hate on for AA and the Marlins trade is getting annoying.

 

Goins is 1 yr older and provided 1.5 WAR in 428 PA this year. The younger Hech provided 3 WAR in 499 PA.

 

And you would take Goins before Hech. You might want to rethink that.