Official MiLB/Prospects Thread

[Spanky__99]

 

Oof...

[glory]

Legitimately shouldve traded him. These pitchers are just hurt too much. Blue Jays FO has shown they can build a good and reliable rotation through trade and FA. Sell these pitching prospects while they still have high value.

 

Too late for Tiedemann

 

Yeah, I said at the time, the Jays are s*** at developing pitchers which is why I could see the logic behind keeping Tiedemann, but he's such a risky prospects due to lack of innings (combined with the usual caveats with pitching prospects) that he would have been the ideal prospect to trade. I don't think the Jays had the pitching depth to trade that the Padres wanted for Soto, but that would have been the main option aside from ideally trying to trade for a more controllable position player. Oh well. TINSTAAPP. Atkins building around "young position players + vet starters" was the right way to go. Copy that same formula for the next core.

[John_Havok]

Yeah, I said at the time, the Jays are s*** at developing pitchers which is why I could see the logic behind keeping Tiedemann, but he's such a risky prospects due to lack of innings (combined with the usual caveats with pitching prospects) that he would have been the ideal prospect to trade. I don't think the Jays had the pitching depth to trade that the Padres wanted for Soto, but that would have been the main option aside from ideally trying to trade for a more controllable position player. Oh well. TINSTAAPP. Atkins building around "young position players + vet starters" was the right way to go. Copy that same formula for the next core.

 

Not sure they have much choice but to copy that for the next core given that once you get past Ricky, the SP prospects that look like they could be top of the rotation-ish guys are in A and rookie ball.

 

LIke, who would the highest level guy with the highest level stuff be right now, after RT..... Macko?

[Terminator]

It's the third inning in Buffalo and Orelvis is 2-2 with 2 homers. I don't know how far he hit them but they weren't wall scrapers.

[Pendleton]

It's the third inning in Buffalo and Orelvis is 2-2 with 2 homers. I don't know how far he hit them but they weren't wall scrapers.

 

 

Haven't found today's videos but looks like he got ahold of one the other day as well

[Spanky__99]

 

Haven't found today's videos but looks like he got ahold of one the other day as well

 

That should say 2nd floor, it landed on someone's balcony, lol.

[Eat My Shatkins]

It's the third inning in Buffalo and Orelvis is 2-2 with 2 homers. I don't know how far he hit them but they weren't wall scrapers.

 

Exit Velocity

105.5mph

Distance

434ft

Launch Angle

24deg

 

Exit Velocity

104.4mph

Distance

397ft

Launch Angle

39deg

[Terminator]

Exit Velocity

105.5mph

Distance

434ft

Launch Angle

24deg

 

Exit Velocity

104.4mph

Distance

397ft

Launch Angle

39deg

 

Where do you get that data?

[Eat My Shatkins]

Where do you get that data?

 

From the game day live summary.

 

Just scroll down until you see the "Home run" and click on it, another window pops up with the data on the AB.

 

You can do that for any event in the summary. It's a great way to go back and see what a pitcher was throwing and his velocity and stuff like that too.

[Terminator]

From the game day live summary.

 

Just scroll down until you see the "Home run" and click on it, another window pops up with the data on the AB.

 

You can do that for any event in the summary. It's a great way to go back and see what a pitcher was throwing and his velocity and stuff like that too.

 

Thank you sir.

 

Man he hits some deep bombs. 470, 434, and 397 down the line all in the past two days.

[Eat My Shatkins]

lol every time I get my hopes up with a reliever he turns into flaming pile of excrement.

 

Cooke is just getting destroyed this year so far.

[glory]

 

[Laika]

lol those announcers

[keggy]

Legitimately shouldve traded him. These pitchers are just hurt too much. Blue Jays FO has shown they can build a good and reliable rotation through trade and FA. Sell these pitching prospects while they still have high value.

 

Too late for Tiedemann

 

You can't build an entire rotation from free agents and expect to be successful. Our rotation alone is basically the entire Orioles team salary. Anthopoulos made a living here flipping volatile starting prospects, but he also developed enough to maintain a big league rotation.

[Masterbather]

Ffffffudge!

[max silver]

You can't build an entire rotation from free agents and expect to be successful. Our rotation alone is basically the entire Orioles team salary. Anthopoulos made a living here flipping volatile starting prospects, but he also developed enough to maintain a big league rotation.

 

I wouldn't go so far to say that AA developed much in the way of starting pitchers as his entire tenure basically consisted of Marcus Stroman and a single good season of Sanchez as home grown starters.

[Ryu In My House]

I think Bo and Vlad will be traded before next season so that could open up a spot for Horwitz and Jimimez.

 

Of course there will be money to spend if they deal those two so I could see them shooting for guys like Adames/Soto/Bregman too.

 

I think so, too. If the Jays struggle around the .500 mark, which they will all season, then I would love to fill the minor leagues with excellent prospects for anyone older, or close to FA.

[keggy]

I wouldn't go so far to say that AA developed much in the way of starting pitchers as his entire tenure basically consisted of Marcus Stroman and a single good season of Sanchez as home grown starters.

 

Atkins has had several more years to develop a staff and has achieved nothing except Manoah. Anthopoulos built entire playoff runs with pitching prospects he either developed or traded for premium talent. Norris, Syndergaard, Hoffman, Boyd, Castro, Nicolino, Graveman the list goes on and on.

[max silver]

Atkins has had several more years to develop a staff and has achieved nothing except Manoah. Anthopoulos built entire playoff runs with pitching prospects he either developed or traded for premium talent. Norris, Syndergaard, Hoffman, Boyd, Castro, Nicolino, Graveman the list goes on and on.

 

Are you going to give credit to AA for the development of pitching prospects that ultimately developed in other minor league systems? He had the not so insignificant benefit at the time of a wealth of extra draft picks due to gaming the free agency rules in order to garner extra picks. I suspect if the current regime were able to have 3 or 4 supplemental draft picks after the first round every season they would have hit on a lot more pitching related draft picks as well given so many more chances.

[metafour]

Atkins has had several more years to develop a staff and has achieved nothing except Manoah. Anthopoulos built entire playoff runs with pitching prospects he either developed or traded for premium talent. Norris, Syndergaard, Hoffman, Boyd, Castro, Nicolino, Graveman the list goes on and on.

 

What a strange post.

 

1) The vast majority of those pitchers were drafted over a ~2-3 year stretch where the system was broken and he was able to amass a stupid number of picks at the top of the draft. But even during that stretch, if you actually look at those drafts they were littered with colossal flops too (Deck McGuire, Smoral, Comer, Tyler Gonzalez, Jeremy Gabryszwski, etc, etc). So he hit on a few guys and flopped on several others - about as expected when you have that number of picks within the Top 2-3 rounds of the draft and you throw them all at pitchers. The fact that they didn't even choose the correct pitcher to trade (Syndergaard vs. Sanchez) suggests that they were just throwing s*** against the wall.

 

Name me the pitchers that were 'developed' after that compensation pick loophole was closed and we didn't have a million picks at the top of the draft. In 2015 they drafted 3 straight pitchers: Jon Harris (lol), Brady Singer (didn't sign), Justin Maese (lol).

 

2) You didn't even challenge his point (that Stroman was really the only homegrown pitcher who made a lasting impression on the actual MLB team), instead you just diverted to stating that they traded pitching prospects for MLB pitchers. Okay, but this current regime has also traded numerous prospects for numerous MLB pitchers. Sean Reid-Foley and Josh Winckowski traded for Steven Matz, Kendall Williams traded for Ross Stripling, uhh...the Jose Berrios trade? Robbie Ray was also acquired in a trade.

 

Not really sure what your point is. AA most certainly did not develop a "homegrown" staff. The entire rotation was essentially acquired from elsewhere.

[burlingtonbandit]

Stroman, Sanchez, Hutchison, Boyd, Norris and Alvarez is actually a pretty decent crop of talent who had success. Of course some of those guys got hurt and faded but at least they provided value in the rotation for a few years.

[Daniel Labude]

Landen Maroudis was cruising again and then left with the trainer. Jays won't have a SP prospect left at this rate

[Daniel Labude]

On the hitting front, Orelvis and Barger would make big upgrades to Biggio and IKF in the lineup

[keggy]

What a strange post.

 

I'll address what I can here quickly. Anthopoulos was well-regarded for his drafting ability beginning in his Toronto days. He said himself that he would use this advantage to acquire premium talent without exposing himself to overbidding in free agency. There are many publicly available articles online written about his strategy.

 

It's pretty much mainstream accepted that Anthopoulos was good at drafting and restocking a depleted farm system (often caused by his own trades) while he was in Toronto. Here's some info. I know it's not a 1:1 comparison and we're talking about pitching draftees specifically but it's what I could find quickly. You can do your own research if you want.

 

2011-2017

2014-2023

[gruber92]

Barger went deep again.

[keggy]

Are you going to give credit to AA for the development of pitching prospects that ultimately developed in other minor league systems? He had the not so insignificant benefit at the time of a wealth of extra draft picks due to gaming the free agency rules in order to garner extra picks. I suspect if the current regime were able to have 3 or 4 supplemental draft picks after the first round every season they would have hit on a lot more pitching related draft picks as well given so many more chances.

 

You can go ahead and tell me which organizations drafted more top pitching prospects than Anthopoulos during the same timeframe.

[keggy]

Stroman, Sanchez, Hutchison, Boyd, Norris and Alvarez is actually a pretty decent crop of talent who had success. Of course some of those guys got hurt and faded but at least they provided value in the rotation for a few years.

 

Anthopoulos was renowned at the time for drafting hard throwing right handed prep/college arms. I'm not sure why people don't want to say it after all these years.

[InsideThePark]

On the hitting front, Orelvis and Barger would make big upgrades to Biggio and IKF in the lineup

 

The same Biggio with a 131 wRC+, 4th highest on the team, and the same IKF with the 3rd highest fWAR(among position players) on the team? It's a small sample that I don't really expect to last either, but while they're producing you can't just replace them with a minor leaguer and expect the rookie to do better.

 

All the fringe parts of the roster have actually been really good to start the year. IKF, Biggio, Clement, Schneider, and Vogelbach all with a wRC+ over 100. Kiermaier is the only one under and his defense has been enough to make him a positive FWAR player still. You probably need to ride that out unless Orelvis OPS is 1.200 by the end of May and you can't keep him down any longer

[metafour]

Anthopoulos was renowned at the time for drafting hard throwing right handed prep/college arms. I'm not sure why people don't want to say it after all these years.

 

Yes, renowned for drafting hard throwing HS pitchers and yet he traded most of them for soft-tossing MLB pitchers LOL. Did you forget that the actual rotation was Dickey, Buehrle, and Estrada in 2015, with Hutchison chewing up the 4th most games started?

 

Stroman also morphed from a high strikeout 4-seam dominant pitching style into a "pitch to contact" sinkerballer under Anthopolous. Who's idea was that? Who knows, but to this day I'm not certain that Stroman ever truly hit his peak.

 

Anthopoulos was learning on the fly, and if you actually evaluate objectively you can easily see that there was little rhyme or reason in the overall "plan". He harped on drafting entirely young HS players, and yet he dumped most of them for some of the oldest players in the MLB. What kind of disconnect is that between the minor league system and MLB team? There was a solid ~2 year period where it seemed like defense wasn't even a consideration, and this is something that he openly admitted was a mistake.

 

But you still haven't even explained what your point is. You seem to be giving him credit for drafting pitchers even though most of them were traded away, but yet you fail to realize that the current front office has done the exact same thing??

[Eat My Shatkins]

Orelvis just crushed his 6th home run of the year

 

Exit Velocity

108.6mph

Distance

410ft

Launch Angle

32deg

 

 

The Bisons have scored 11 runs in the last two innings and are clubbing the Clippers 16-4, they have 17 hits so far in the top of the 9th

 

I am getting so that I really want to see Barger, Martinez and Horwitz on the Jays. Combined today they are 8 for 17 with 10 RBIs, 2 HRs and 2 doubles