BP: Aaron Sanchez

[G-Snarls]

I'm glad we kept Stroman

 

Yes Sanchez MIGHT turn out to be really good. Or he might turn in to Kyle Drabek.

 

I would rather trade Sanchez in a package for a (more) sure thing at this point. The rotation could use help.

[Caper]

Major League Baseball is stupid. Who knows if Norris could help us this year because he will never get the chance. Baseball is so set in their ways stepping prospects through levels. If Norris is a better pitcher then Happ why isn't he pitching instead of him? I don't care whose older or who has more experience, I want the best pitcher we have available pitching.

 

Henderson Alverez made his debut at age 21.11. Daniel Norris is currently 21.06. I recall Alverez looking good when he came up. Why could Norris not do the same thing?

[KingKat]

Henderson Alverez made his debut at age 21.11. Daniel Norris is currently 21.06. I recall Alverez looking good when he came up. Why could Norris not do the same thing?

 

Alvarez was rushed. He would have been far better off not wasting service time and working on developing his third pitch. I mean he was serviceable as an extreme pitch to contact guy but he really wasn't any better than say J.A. Happ or any other journeyman pitcher (Philip Humber is a good comparison for the young Alvarez). If he'd been kept in the minors, he would have had a better opportunity to develop an out pitch and become a better strikeout pitcher and he probably would have received more prospect hype and boosted his trade value too.

[HERPDERP]

Does anyone know of any fangraphs report or w/e that shows why Alvarez is dominating so much this year? Did he learn a new pitch or what? Or is the NL that bad that everyone is going after his sinker.

[Stangstag]

Major League Baseball is stupid. Who knows if Norris could help us this year because he will never get the chance. Baseball is so set in their ways stepping prospects through levels. If Norris is a better pitcher then Happ why isn't he pitching instead of him? I don't care whose older or who has more experience, I want the best pitcher we have available pitching.

 

Kindly f*** off and follow a different sport.

[billjc33]

Kindly f*** off and follow a different sport.

 

Kindly enjoy watching Happ pitch again tonight! Alvarez at 21 with 2 pitches is better then Happ. Norris at 21 with 4 pitches is better then Happ. If we miss out on a playoff spot by 2 games and Norris could have won you those is it not logical to use him? Or do you just lose because you don't want to rush your young player because of some unwritten rule.

[GD]

Purely at the MLB level, Happ is probably a better pitcher right now

 

This will obviously change but there's less than no reason to have Norris up right now

 

And LOL @ unwritten rules about this s***. Literally just TODAY the Twins promoted Jorge Polanco to the MLB from A+.

[NLJays]

Jays have rushed plenty of pitchers to the bigs. Henderson Alvarez, Drew Hutchison come to mind immediately, pretty sure there are more.

[Angrioter]

Jays have rushed plenty of pitchers to the bigs. Henderson Alvarez, Drew Hutchison come to mind immediately, pretty sure there are more.

 

Nolin

[Orgfiller]

Jays have rushed plenty of pitchers to the bigs. Henderson Alvarez, Drew Hutchison come to mind immediately, pretty sure there are more.

 

I disagree that Hutchison was rushed, he had nothing left to prove in the minors, the fastball command was there, and he certainly didn't disappoint at the MLB level to say he was rushed.

[NLJays]

I disagree that Hutchison was rushed, he had nothing left to prove in the minors, the fastball command was there, and he certainly didn't disappoint at the MLB level to say he was rushed.

 

It didn't work out badly, but he had only 6 AA starts and no triple-A starts before getting the call. Only 21 years old, which is the same age as Daniel Norris. So the idea that the Jays would keep Norris in the minors longer than necessary is kinda stupid.

[Orgfiller]

It didn't work out badly, but he had only 6 AA starts and no triple-A starts before getting the call. Only 21 years old, which is the same age as Daniel Norris. So the idea that the Jays would keep Norris in the minors longer than necessary is kinda stupid.

 

IIRC Norris struggled for a while, but Hutch was pretty solid throughout the minors, which would explain why the latter got the earlier call.

[ElNik2013]

I'm glad we kept Stroman

 

I would rather trade Sanchez in a package for a (more) sure thing at this point. The rotation could use help.

 

 

I'm glad they've kept Stroman AND Sanchez so far and I'll be just as glad if they keep Norris, Pompey, Castro, Barreto, Nay and a couple others.

[billjc33]

Just kidding Happ is awesome! This guy is seriously bi-polar you never know which guy will show up

[John_Havok]

Sanchez with a decent outing tonight.

 

7 IP, 7 hits, 1 walk, 2 k, 3 earned runs, but the really nice number... 14 groundouts and just 2 fly outs. Sick!

[Daniel Labude]

Sanchez with a decent outing tonight.

 

7 IP, 7 hits, 1 walk, 2 k, 3 earned runs, but the really nice number... 14 groundouts and just 2 fly outs. Sick!

 

I really kind of hope we keep him an Norris and just try to upgrade at 2B

 

By the way, you consider that a decent outing?

[John_Havok]

Comparatively to his other outings, yes. It's a process. He also only threw 83 pitches, 56 strikes.

 

That, along with 14 ground ball outs means he was in the strike zone consistantly and nobody could get good contact.

[DuckDuckGose]

If Sanchez doesn't improve his command, he's a #5 or swing guy. Nothing more.

 

If he stays healthy he could be a great high leverage reliever.

 

FWIW the Jays aren't letting him throw secondaries until the 5th in order to get him more FB reps and improve his command. I'm curious to see what his numbers look like when the training wheels come off.

[Maahfaace]

If he stays healthy he could be a great high leverage reliever.

 

FWIW the Jays aren't letting him throw secondaries until the 5th in order to get him more FB reps and improve his command. I'm curious to see what his numbers look like when the training wheels come off.

 

^This... It's the right approach by the jays making him throw FB, he needs to get a feel for his great sink action, and learn how to use it. 14 GO is very impressive and only 2 of the 7 hits he gave up left the infield.

[DuckDuckGose]

^This... It's the right approach by the jays making him throw FB, he needs to get a feel for his great sink action, and learn how to use it. 14 GO is very impressive and only 2 of the 7 hits he gave up left the infield.

 

The ability to induce contact in the bottom of the zone is povotal in the AL East. I'm happy is improving. If he continues to improve for 3-4 more seasons (through his age 23 and 24yo seasons) he's going to be dominant in his prime.

[Nox]

If he stays healthy he could be a great high leverage reliever.

 

He doesn't miss bats and doesn't throw strikes. This is exactly what you don't want in a high leverage spot.

 

He's a bucket of yuck as a prospect. I can't fathom how anybody would look at that delivery, look at his results and then consciously value him over Stroman or Norris.

[saskjayfan]

He doesn't miss bats and doesn't throw strikes. This is exactly what you don't want in a high leverage spot.

 

He's a bucket of yuck as a prospect. I can't fathom how anybody would look at that delivery, look at his results and then consciously value him over Stroman or Norris.

 

9 ks per 9, 7.2 hits per 9 and a .4hr per 9 for his minor league career and he doesn't miss bats...WTF are you talking about? Dude needs to command his stuff better. He has great sink to his fastball....a start with 1 walk is a great sign...a bunch of ground ball outs is a good sign.

[Convo]

9 ks per 9, 7.2 hits per 9 and a .4hr per 9 for his minor league career and he doesn't miss bats...WTF are you talking about? Dude needs to command his stuff better. He has great sink to his fastball....a start with 1 walk is a great sign...a bunch of ground ball outs is a good sign.

 

83 pitches in 7 IP is a great sign too.

[Nox]

9 ks per 9, 7.2 hits per 9 and a .4hr per 9 for his minor league career and he doesn't miss bats...WTF are you talking about? Dude needs to command his stuff better. He has great sink to his fastball....a start with 1 walk is a great sign...a bunch of ground ball outs is a good sign.

 

You're pretty bad at this. His rookie ball stats from 5 years ago bear no weight when figuring out what he is going forward. Quoting/including them only adds noise.

 

And why are you quoting hit and hr rates when we're talking about missing bats? Bizarre.

 

If you think 1 start is a "sign" or indicator of anything (other than velo or noticeable mechanical adjustments, of which he needs to make a few), you're a fool.

[kgm1]

Sanchez could still turn out to be the best of all of them other maybe than Alvarez who has reached higher than his expected ceiling . i think of Randy Johnson,s early career, the Expos traded him because they never thought he would throw enough strikes.

[saskjayfan]

You're pretty bad at this. His rookie ball stats from 5 years ago bear no weight when figuring out what he is going forward. Quoting/including them only adds noise.

 

And why are you quoting hit and hr rates when we're talking about missing bats? Bizarre.

 

If you think 1 start is a "sign" or indicator of anything (other than velo or noticeable mechanical adjustments, of which he needs to make a few), you're a fool.

 

As far as mechanics go....forgive me if I question your unquestionable knowledge. He's struck out 8.8 bats per nine in buffalo. 7.8 per 9 in new Hampshire, 7.8 per 9 last year. What stat were you looking at that drew you to the conclusion that he can't miss bats? Look at all the scouting reports out there. None of them are saying he's garbage and won't make the bigs. Most are calling him a number 3 with stuff to be better, but lack of command be better at this point.

 

The magic light that goes off that allows pitchers to command their stuff better can come along late or never at all. Most scouts come to conclusions about a guy and his mechanics by actually watching a player multiple times..not by reading other scouts reports.

 

As far as ranking our prospects..who cares. You'd be crazy not to like what Stroman has done. He's doing well in the bigs. Norris is looking great and the kid seemingly has the right mental make up. Sanchez could be number 3, but then I'd prefer to keep all three. I'm not ready to give up on Sanchez by any stretch of the imagination.

[kgm1]

Jays can't afford to trade any more of their young high upside arms.

[Nox]

Sanchez could still turn out to be the best of all of them other maybe than Alvarez who has reached higher than his expected ceiling . i think of Randy Johnson,s early career, the Expos traded him because they never thought he would throw enough strikes.

 

Lets not throw out Randy Johnson comps quite so quickly, even it was meant to be tangential. Their bodies are nothing alike, they throw from different sides, Randy threw 5+ mph harder (a bigger gap if you normalize that to respective league averages) and had maybe the best slider in the history of the game. We might as well throw a Mantle comp on Pompey.

 

Kyle Drabek or Tyler Matzek are far, far more likely outcomes than Randy Johnson.

[saskjayfan]

Lets not throw out Randy Johnson comps quite so quickly, even it was meant to be tangential. Their bodies are nothing alike, they throw from different sides, Randy threw 5+ mph harder (a bigger gap if you normalize that to respective league averages) and had maybe the best slider in the history of the game. We might as well throw a Mantle comp on Pompey.

 

Kyle Drabek or Tyler Matzek are far, far more likely outcomes than Randy Johnson.

 

how about jesse chavez....pitchers come out of no where all the time. They make mechanical adjustments, they learn new pitches...they get confidence. If AA trades Sanchez and in 2 years he turns into a stud, you'll be the first one posting on this board about what AA was an idiot and you knew all along how great his stuff was and that he would be a good pitcher.

[Nox]

As far as mechanics go....forgive me if I question your unquestionable knowledge.

 

That's not just coming from me. It's not too hard to find Klaw et al, talking about him needing to change some things to let his obvious arm talent flourish.

 

Less than 8 Ks per 9 is not really not exciting at the AA level these days. Combine that with the ghastly command and the overall results have not been good.

 

Most scouts come to conclusions about a guy and his mechanics by actually watching a player multiple times

 

Quit putting scouts on a pedestal. Once a player has reached AA/AAA their usefulness rapidly approaches 0.