DuckDuckGose

Miller is the best LHP in baseball, Britton, Chapman and Cecil are the next three. I also didn't argue that Cecil and Osuna were better than Miller, Chapman or Betances. What I said was Osuna and Cecil are on the same level as Chapman and Betances and they deserve that recognition. The stats support those arguments. And like I said previously I'll be validated this time next year when it's all said and done.

There are more metrics than K/9. By focusing solely on those K numbers it's cherry picking stats. By looking at counting stats over two years when one of the players being discussed was a rookie is cherry picking stats. What's wrong with those statements? And when I said I'm not going to cherry pick stats I meant it. So if you have metrics you'd like to use to judge results than feel free to chime in.

Tell me again how those 2 year counting stats are the best measure of 2016 performance or how that trio is going to manage 225 high leverage innings. Why don't you get off your high horse and post a quality reply. Or did you forget how to?

Great post. Go cherry pick some more stats.

No last two years is non-sensical. Relievers cary widely, Osuna has been in the league a year and those are all counting stats. Let's also remember that of all 5 of those guys Cecil was by far the best in the 2nd half. Cecil actually had the lowest 2nd half FIP in all of baseball and was the best reliever in baseball for over 3 months. HE deserves to be in that group whether you believe it or not.

I'm not cherry picking stats. Use whatever metrics you see fit other than K/9 and they'll be on that level. I'd say ERA, SIERA and FIP they'll be close.

I believe you have the mental capacity to figure that out without me explaining it to you. Pick a metric other than K/9 and get back to me at the end of the year.

Adopt away, it'll make my life easier when the results validate the statement

There aren't going to be 225 high leverage innings for them to pitch. It's a moot point. Miller is the best pitcher of the bunch but Osuna and Cecil are on the same level as Chapman and Betances. Compared to the Jays they're maybe giving an extra 20 high leverage innings to an elite RP. The Jays will give those innings to Sanchez and situational guys. It's not going to be a big difference.

The Jays' arms are being underrated here. They have two of the best high leverage guys in baseball, Yankees have a third and a better BP than the Jays. I just want Osuna and Cecil to get the recognition they deserve. I'm also not sold that Chapman a) wont be distracted and will be able to get through the Jays elite FB hitters. That being said it was a good move for the Yanks (likely to have the best BP in baseball) but they're still behind the Jays everywhere else on the diamond going in to the season. I'm not worried about this move at all.

And Cecil had a better K/BB than all 3 of them while putting up a better WHIP than Betances and Chapman. Osuna was also ahead of Betances and Chapman in terms of K/BB and WHIP and just behind Miller in both those categories. It's obviously a great BP but not that much better than what the Jays have.

Well Martin's contract expires in 2019 and he'll be 36yo. At 32yo he was already the second oldest qualified C in the majors last season. By 2019 Tulo will likely have shifted from SS. I forget who it was but it was someone with inside info and access to AA said that the longterm plan with Tulo was to slide him to 1B. They thought it would help him stay healthy and the bat would play. Probably a better defender than Tellez at 1B. IMO 2019 Tellez = DH and Tulo = 1B. Martin is likely a backup.

I hadn't seen those shirts yet, very cool!

Harris ahead of Alford and as the system's #1 prospect? How does that make any sense?

I actually didn't know that but I looked it up and that's true. Pretty crazy