BP: Aaron Sanchez

[Nox]

Did you feel the same way about Roy Halladay when he totally imploded in MLB and was sent back to the minors to radically change his delivery ? Roy literally was the worst starter in baseball at that point ( era over 10 in 70 innings, 5.6 walks per 9 innings ). I will never dismiss a young pitcher that has a special gift to throw a ball and control is the main issue.

 

Infallible logic.

[Orgfiller]

Infallible logic.

 

So two sure-thing HOF (at least I consider Doc to be one) struggled but recovered, obviously any other pitcher can also do that right?

[Nox]

So two sure-thing HOF (at least I consider Doc to be one) struggled but recovered, obviously any other pitcher can also do that right?

 

I'd be shocked if they didn't!

[GD]

So two sure-thing HOF (at least I consider Doc to be one) struggled but recovered, obviously any other pitcher can also do that right?

 

The thing is, Sanchez is also a sure-thing HOF, so obviously, he'll be able to do it too. Obviously.

[Caper]

He's a stud. Will be a great pitcher someday.

[Chappy]

Did you feel the same way about Roy Halladay when he totally imploded in MLB and was sent back to the minors to radically change his delivery ? Roy literally was the worst starter in baseball at that point ( era over 10 in 70 innings, 5.6 walks per 9 innings ). I will never dismiss a young pitcher that has a special gift to throw a ball and control is the main issue.

 

Roy Halladay had a career 3.0BB/9IP in the minors, Sanchez has a career 4.9BB/9IP. Let's temper our expectations.

[Atothe]

Roy Halladay had a career 3.0BB/9IP in the minors, Sanchez has a career 4.9BB/9IP. Let's temper our expectations.

 

Halladay comp doesn't work but Ubaldo at 500 k a year does

[Chappy]

Halladay comp doesn't work but Ubaldo at 500 k a year does

 

I'd probably say that is his best case. I hope I'm wrong but history suggests I'm probably not.

[Atothe]

I'd probably say that is his best case. I hope I'm wrong but history suggests I'm probably not.

 

yeah I'll take it at 500k a year

[Chappy]

yeah I'll take it at 500k a year

 

Best case sure. Worst case, I'd rather trade him to some other GM who overvalues him.

[43211234]

Obviously there's some posturing for the trade deadline involved but AA had some positive things to say about Sanchez's delivery and development over the last month or so. Says they've tweaked his arm angle a bit.

 

http://pmd.fan590.com/audio_on_demand-3/Jays-GM-Alex-Anthopolpus-joined-Bob-McCown-pts-20140702-Interview.mp3

 

Doesn't start until 10:30 in.

[G-Snarls]

You can't oversell Sanchez

 

If he's so close and going to help the team this year, why are you trying to trade him for Shark or Hamels?

[Angrioter]

Toronto Blue Jays GM Alex Anthopoulos seems to lean toward not trading Marcus Stroman and Aaron Sanchez.

 

“I think you’re better off to be as open-minded as you can … Some players, with the asking price, and what you would want, and how reluctant you would be to move them, make themselves basically untouchable at that point. I think ultimately you’ll just tell clubs, ‘Look, we’re really reluctant. It would be really hard to move so-and-so.’ ”

 

“Yeah. Like a lot of our guys,” he said, seeming to say those two are keepers. But …

 

“But I’d never say specifically,” he quickly added. “Again, you get a chance to get the right player, you have to be open-minded to it. I would say anyone who’s helping our team win – and I can say this and I’ve told other teams this – anyone who’s helping our team win right now, it’d be hard to take anyone off the 25-man [roster], unless we’re clearly upgrading on that spot. So we want to add, not take away from the 25-man.”

 

As a starter or reliever?

“We would look to both,” Anthopoulos said. “Again, we’re not planning on anything, but the fact that we are going to watch his innings, that goes without saying. We know he’s a big-time groundball guy. The biggest thing is command with him. His delivery is good. There’s no doubt in our mind he can come in for one inning and get a ground ball and show you really good stuff.”

 

http://sports.nationalpost.com/2014/07/02/toronto-blue-jays-gm-alex-anthopoulos-seems-to-lean-toward-not-trading-marcus-stroman-and-aaron-sanchez-unless/

[HERPDERP]

But Hamels is out of the question, Jays are on his no trade

[kgm1]

I don't even know what you're trying to say. 10% shot at what? Who is gutting the minors?[/quote

!0% shot at going far in the playoffs.

Meh , Who am I to argue with all the professional scouts on this board . I surely am not one . He has huge command issues. Anyone with a Computer can see that.. He also has a high ceiling. will he reach it ? Not likely

[leaffie]

But Hamels is out of the question, Jays are on his no trade

 

On xm, they talked about Hamels no trade and "supposedly" he has 21 teams on his no trade. But ferrin said that no trades are put there so they can negotiate a few extra bucks, if they decide they will go to that team.

 

They also said that Jays were in on him heavy. Fwiw.

[Boxcar]

oh man, if he wins 20 games i don't even know what i'd do.

 

twentay gaym winur!!11!

[Boxcar]

There’s no doubt in our mind he can come in for one inning and get a ground ball and show you really good stuff.”

 

wat

[Boxcar]

I don't even know what you're trying to say. 10% shot at what? Who is gutting the minors?[/quote

!0% shot at going far in the playoffs.

Meh , Who am I to argue with all the professional scouts on this board . I surely am not one . He has huge command issues. Anyone with a Computer can see that.. He also has a high ceiling. will he reach it ? Not likely

 

So you're complaining about...?

[Angrioter]

There’s no doubt in our mind he can come in for one inning and get a ground ball and show you really good stuff.”

 

wat

 

After walk the first three batters, YES.

[TheHurl]

If Sanchez finishes with a quarter of Randy Johnson's career production his career will be a definite success. Randy Johnson is incomparable..

 

I think the point of most when they mention Randy Johnson in this scenario is...what would fans be saying about Johnson when he was 23 in AA? Shark in AA/AAA at 23? Guys like Sanchez shouldn't be dismissed at this age...nor should expectations be high.

[kgm1]

I think the point of most when they mention Randy Johnson in this scenario is...what would fans be saying about Johnson when he was 23 in AA? Shark in AA/AAA at 23? Guys like Sanchez shouldn't be dismissed at this age...nor should expectations be high.

Exactly. the reason the Expos traded Johnson was they felt he would never throw enough strikes and they NEVER lived that trade down. I'm not even suggesting Sanchez is Johnson but he is still young and has time to get that command .

 

And maybe he never does but it is way to early to say he is a bust.

[kgm1]

 

So you're complaining about...?

 

Read the thread!

[Chappy]

Exactly. the reason the Expos traded Johnson was they felt he would never throw enough strikes and they NEVER lived that trade down. I'm not even suggesting Sanchez is Johnson but he is still young and has time to get that command .

 

And maybe he never does but it is way to early to say he is a bust.

 

No one is saying he is a bust. I just think some expect him to be.

[kgm1]

No one is saying he is a bust. I just think some expect him to be.

 

And he may just Bust cause his command is bad just too early to tell.

[KingKat]

And he may just Bust cause his command is bad just too early to tell.

 

If he were a bust, he wouldn't have trade value at all. If you trade him, you risk losing out on a pitcher who fullfils his potential. If you keep him, you risk losing out on your trade window if he does bust. There's risk either way. Otherwise, there wouldn't even be a debate.

[glory]

It is pretty clear the Jays will be using him as their "deadline acquisition" once they fail to get anyone. Putting him in AAA was a Hail Mary move by the organization hoping his stuff would click with a different pitching coach and he'd be able to contribute in the Majors this season. Hope it works, but he doesn't look ready. Hopefully the arm slot change does something positive.

[KingKat]

It is pretty clear the Jays will be using him as their "deadline acquisition" once they fail to get anyone. Putting him in AAA was a Hail Mary move by the organization hoping his stuff would click with a different pitching coach and he'd be able to contribute in the Majors this season. Hope it works, but he doesn't look ready. Hopefully the arm slot change does something positive.

 

The difference between AA and AAA isn't great enough to qualify as a Hail Mary. He's been around long enough to be in AAA anyways. You'd just wish he had earned the promotion due to performance rather than a change of scenery thing. His AAA numbers so far are pretty mediocre. If they call him based on a couple of good starts, that will definitely be a Hail Mary but I think they're just bluffing. It looks like they are just trying to spin some positives about him. He's young enough to still be in College and he's in AAA so I guess that's something. You have to look a him and ask "if this guy were in college, how confident would I be that I can draft him and develop him into a top line starter?". He would definitely be considered pretty raw for a college arm. You'd be drafting on stuff not polish and if you're going to do that, you'd probably prefer to do it with a HS arm that you have more time to develop.

[Iluvbjs]

this is ridiculous and thats coming from a Sanchez homer

 

Yeah ooookeeeeeee buddy, we'll see when we actually get to see what T.B gets for Price when they let him go by the deadline. A TOP 50 pick by BASEBALL AMERICA and another pitcher who's close to being MLB ready and a mid level prospect isn't far fetched at all despite what all the scouts, GM'S and managers around here think. T.B is desperate for young arms to replace a guy they have no chance of resigning and I don't think they will get much more than that for Price, if they even get that much at all.

 

He might have extra value considering they have him for another year but I don't think that's as much leverage as some people think considering how desperate Tampa is for young inexpensive pitching. Based on their attendance and performance this year as well? Takes away some of that leverage that extra year has on his contract. No way they get anything more than exactly what I said, a top 50 prospect, a mid level prospect and a MLB ready arm like Drabek.

 

As for people pretending to know what Sanchez will be based on the command he has at 21 years of age? I think that's what is ridiculous here. The guy has a wipeout pitch with his curveball and he still has a good two years left to learn command of his fastball before ANYONE can legitmately say that he is a number 3 or 4 or whatever, based on his command. Truth is, he could easily become a number 1 in any rotation if he corrects his delivery to the point where he can learn to repeat it without to much strain on his arm. He's 21, stop pretending to know what he's going to be.

[Iluvbjs]

You mean other than the fact it's a s***** package? I'm not sure if this is news to you but other teams might also be interested in acquiring David Price.

 

 

 

By publicly employed scouts. A team influenced at all by analytics would not have Aaron Sanchez anywhere near a top 50.

 

 

 

Pretty sure the Rays just want good players for good value.

 

 

 

Holding him during a (pseudo) contending year next year has great value in itself.

 

I just had to laugh at this entire post. Not even worth wasting my breath arguing with that....whatever it is. I think my last post addressed all you wannabe GM's who think they know everything there is to know about baseball. This kid might die a slow death, he might be a number one. Fact is, none of you seem to have the slightest clue as to what that's gonna be. What we do know is that he has a wipeout MLB ready curveball and that he needs to learn to repeat his delivery. He could just as easily be a front end pitcher. He's 21 years old FFS. I suggest heavily though that y'all get to handing in your resumes for baseball scouts and positions of the like. Probably be making more than you are now with the amount of time you spend roaming around here and all. Good luck with your baseball careers, you know, with all that firm crystal clear knowledge you have and all. You should all be able to draft and pick every other teams farm system apart to have a championship team in a matter of a few years. Good luck with that.....ROFL, wow.