Angrioter Old-Timey Member Posted May 6, 2014 Posted May 6, 2014 Aaron Sanchez Born: 07/01/1992 (Age: 21) Bats: Right Throws: Right Height: 6' 4" Weight: 200 Mechanics Three-quarters arm slot; loose, efficient delivery; doesn’t strain to create velocity; fast arm; soft landing; tends to stay high during finish of delivery; inconsistent throwing downhill; quick out of the stretch; short stride–not much lower body; 1.32-1.43 out of stretch; kept focus with men on base; held velocity deep into outing; doesn’t wear himself out. Evaluator Chris Mellen Report Date 05/03/2014 Affiliate New Hampshire Fisher Cats (Double-A) Dates Seen 04/28/2014 OFP/Risk 65/Moderate Realistic No. 2/3 starter MLB ETA 2015 http://www.bluejaysmessageboard.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=653&d=1399380554 Overall Sanchez’s fastball has the velocity and movement to dominate outings when consistently spotted down in the zone. The combination of run and heavy action make it a very difficult offering to square up in the lower tier of the zone. I liked the overall look of the pitch, and feel it’s a fastball that can continue to play at the highest level. The pitcher is inconsistent finishing his delivery, especially out of the stretch in this outing, and it caused the heater to stay up. While this particular lineup didn’t do much damage, it’s an area where the pitch tends to be easier to square and better hitters are going to be able to handle it. I see Sanchez always having to work and fight to reel his fastball in. First, the right-hander isn’t that great at throwing downhill. He tends to stay more upright in his delivery, which leads to having trouble staying above the fastball. This showed inning-to-inning and at times batter-to-batter. Also, the natural movement of the pitch actually gives him less margin of error. Sanchez needs to be more precise and consistently account for the movement when trying to spot it. Overall, I see it more likely that the command hovers around average or so. In this outing the righty didn’t throw a secondary offering until the fourth inning, but the curveball immediately showed as a premium offering. The depth and shape of the pitch are excellent, with Sanchez displaying strong feel for it. I see the potential to miss a lot of bats and neutralize hitters with the curve, along with it to be considered one of the better ones in the league. His ability to consistently throw it for strikes in different shapes is impressive. The changeup looked a lot better when thrown to the glove side. The action was deeper. This pitch will be a third offering in Sanchez’s repertoire, but can be viable if strategically worked into sequences. This pitcher has high-end stuff, and is capable of putting dominant stretches together, especially if he is working down in the zone with his fastball. I see Sanchez likely to battle inconsistencies due to the aforementioned things above, but having the potential to impact a team as an above-average player over the long haul of a career. My gut says the upside is a third starter, with the ability to have a career year or two above that.
HERPDERP Old-Timey Member Posted May 6, 2014 Posted May 6, 2014 When he says 3rd starter, I hope he means that where he ends up if he doesn't improve on his command. Which I won't mind at all. I just hope he doesn't end up being a 5-inning guy.
The Cats Ass Old-Timey Member Posted May 6, 2014 Posted May 6, 2014 When he says 3rd starter, I hope he means that where he ends up if he doesn't improve on his command. Which I won't mind at all. I just hope he doesn't end up being a 5-inning guy. I would have to think that's what he means. If Sanchez would improve his command he'd be closer to a #2 or even #1.
tercet Verified Member Posted May 6, 2014 Posted May 6, 2014 But he cant throw a strike to save his life yet.. Don't get too caught up in scouting reports..
Nox Verified Member Posted May 6, 2014 Posted May 6, 2014 If Sanchez doesn't improve his command, he's a #5 or swing guy. Nothing more.
HERPDERP Old-Timey Member Posted May 6, 2014 Posted May 6, 2014 Kyle Drabek anyone? Dreams, hopes lost
The Cats Ass Old-Timey Member Posted May 6, 2014 Posted May 6, 2014 If Sanchez doesn't improve his command, he's a #5 or swing guy. Nothing more. Sounds like he has control of his Curve. It's just his Fastball he needs to work on, which is I guess why they had him throw only that for the first 4 innings..
Angrioter Old-Timey Member Posted May 6, 2014 Author Posted May 6, 2014 If Sanchez doesn't improve his command, he's a #5 or swing guy. Nothing more. Gio 24 - 2010 - 7.67 K/9, 4.13 BB/9, 3.0 WAR 25 - 2011 - 8.78 K/9, 4.05 BB/9, 3.3 WAR
Captain Adama Old-Timey Member Posted May 6, 2014 Posted May 6, 2014 Gio 24 - 2010 - 7.67 K/9, 4.13 BB/9, 3.0 WAR 25 - 2011 - 8.78 K/9, 4.05 BB/9, 3.3 WAR Aaron Sanchez MiLB BB/9 = 4.7 Gio Gonzalez MiLB BB/9= 4.1 Oh yeah and Gonzalez was in Triple A at Sanchez's current age.
Nox Verified Member Posted May 6, 2014 Posted May 6, 2014 Gio 24 - 2010 - 7.67 K/9, 4.13 BB/9, 3.0 WAR 25 - 2011 - 8.78 K/9, 4.05 BB/9, 3.3 WAR Sure he could turn into Gio. I just wouldn't bet on it.
Angrioter Old-Timey Member Posted May 6, 2014 Author Posted May 6, 2014 96 Mph outside corner = unhittable. http://www.breakingblue.ca/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/Sanchez-2.gif
The Cats Ass Old-Timey Member Posted May 6, 2014 Posted May 6, 2014 Aaron Sanchez MiLB BB/9 = 4.7 Gio Gonzalez MiLB BB/9= 4.1 Oh yeah and Gonzalez was in Triple A at Sanchez's current age. No he wasn't, he was in AA. Same spot Sanchez is. Also, there isn't much of a difference between AA and AAA anyway.
Cooler Heads Prevail Verified Member Posted May 6, 2014 Posted May 6, 2014 Sure he could turn into Gio. I just wouldn't bet on it. If I had to pick any guy in the system to turn into a star in the majors, he's the guy. Like any such projection, it's impossible to know, and far easier to guess a guy will fail because most do. Look at Halliday's early career if you want to see how hard it is to rate young pitchers.
The Cats Ass Old-Timey Member Posted May 6, 2014 Posted May 6, 2014 96 Mph outside corner = unhittable. http://www.breakingblue.ca/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/Sanchez-2.gif It just looks like he's throwing warm-up pitches..
Angrioter Old-Timey Member Posted May 6, 2014 Author Posted May 6, 2014 It just looks like he's throwing warm-up pitches.. Yeah. CLOSERRR SAVEZZZ
GD Old-Timey Member Posted May 6, 2014 Posted May 6, 2014 If I had to pick any guy in the system to turn into a star in the majors, he's the guy. Like any such projection, it's impossible to know, and far easier to guess a guy will fail because most do. Look at Halliday's early career if you want to see how hard it is to rate young pitchers. Lmao for someone who pretends to be so smart you're pretty terrible at it.
Angrioter Old-Timey Member Posted June 26, 2014 Author Posted June 26, 2014 Aaron Sanchez Born: 07/01/1992 (Age: 21) Bats: Right Throws: Right Height: 6' 4" Weight: 200 Overall Lots to like with fastball, curveball and body; looks the part on the mound; very confident; shows emotion on the bump but doesn't get overly dramatic; both fastball and curveball can be dominating and frequently showed plus-plus potential; feel for changeup is limited and holds him back from really keeping hitters off balance; limited command profile keeps fastball and curveball from dominating they way their raw grades suggest; easy to see very high ceiling given tools but difficult to see the package coming together; reminds me a lot of A.J. Burnett in many ways; will look brilliant at times and lost at others; mid-rotation starter who will have streaks where he can shows more than that. http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=23995
eastcoastjaysfan Old-Timey Member Posted June 26, 2014 Posted June 26, 2014 http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=23995 So fastball got upgraded but changeup fell off a cliff.
Atothe Old-Timey Member Posted June 26, 2014 Posted June 26, 2014 So fastball got upgraded but changeup fell off a cliff. Who gives a s*** about his change up when he can't throw strikes consistently with his fastball
G-Snarls Community Moderator Posted June 26, 2014 Posted June 26, 2014 Smells like trade bait to me. We certainly should trade him based on his "stuff" before he ever gets a chance to face major.league hitters and possibly trash his trade value. Dumb GM's who just want any guy with 98 mph heat please line up over here. Alex will have a word with you shortly.
Chappy Community Moderator Posted June 26, 2014 Posted June 26, 2014 We certainly should trade him based on his "stuff" before he ever gets a chance to face major.league hitters and possibly trash his trade value. Dumb GM's who just want any guy with 98 mph heat please line up over here. Alex will have a word with you shortly. Do to get me wrong, I think Sanchez has great potential, I just think it's more likely he never lives up to his billing and ends up a backend guy who scrapes a career through the majors on GM's who keep saying 'what if'. That walk rate will spell disaster if he can't get it under control and who really thinks it will improve once he gets to the majors? Sure it's happened before, but it's rare.
G-Snarls Community Moderator Posted June 26, 2014 Posted June 26, 2014 I'm glad we kept Stroman I would rather trade Sanchez in a package for a (more) sure thing at this point. The rotation could use help.
Caper Verified Member Posted June 26, 2014 Posted June 26, 2014 Could Daniel Norris help us this year? Could he be effective?
KingKat Old-Timey Member Posted June 26, 2014 Posted June 26, 2014 Could Daniel Norris help us this year? Could he be effective? Seems like a long shot unless he dominates AA.
billjc33 Verified Member Posted June 26, 2014 Posted June 26, 2014 Major League Baseball is stupid. Who knows if Norris could help us this year because he will never get the chance. Baseball is so set in their ways stepping prospects through levels. If Norris is a better pitcher then Happ why isn't he pitching instead of him? I don't care whose older or who has more experience, I want the best pitcher we have available pitching.
Atothe Old-Timey Member Posted June 26, 2014 Posted June 26, 2014 Major League Baseball is stupid. Who knows if Norris could help us this year because he will never get the chance. Baseball is so set in their ways stepping prospects through levels. If Norris is a better pitcher then Happ why isn't he pitching instead of him? I don't care whose older or who has more experience, I want the best pitcher we have available pitching. Because he's only been effective control-wise for about a year. He's young and on a innings limit. Any number of reasons not to rush him pick one.
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