Selling?

[Olerud363.354]

1 hour ago, glory said:

unless Rogers gives them a mandate to get under a tax threshold

I don't believe this mandate would come from Rogers for profit reasons.

It would come from themselves as getting under I think is worth a prospect or two.  The penalties make you lose a pick and international signing money right?  So if they get just under one of the threshold that is like getting a prospect. 

[Olerud363.354]

Selling is not entirely giving up either.  98 Jays.  2025 Guardians.  And I am sure many other stories.

It ain't working, reconfigure to a younger players.  Sometimes they go on a run.  

line-up post firesale.   Of course this could be a disaster.  Or it could be a normal team that takes walks, and hits homers, and has young bat speed and just acts normal for a 2020s offense, instead of the .245 .300 .360 s*** we see.  And maybe some of the things we get in there too.  (this assume Lukes, Springer, Varsho sold). 

1. Davis Schneider (if not sold needs to play 50 games straight)

2. Vladimir Guerrero Jr.

3.  Ernie Clement (if not sold)

4. Okamota 

5. Keys (50 games straight to see what we have)

6. Kirk/Valenzuala

7. Pinago

8. Clase

9. Giminez

[Brownie19]

I saw a random mock trade where the Jays get Jacob Melton from TB for Varsho.  Sounds good to me.

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1 hour ago, Olerud363.354 said:

I don't believe this mandate would come from Rogers for profit reasons.

It would come from themselves as getting under I think is worth a prospect or two.  The penalties make you lose a pick and international signing money right?  So if they get just under one of the threshold that is like getting a prospect. 

For this year, I don't think they can realistically get under any threshold that affects the draft or international signing money.

The only one they could reasonably get under is the Cohen Tax line, which just reduces the extra tax they're paying on the dollars above it.

 

[Brownie19]

9 hours ago, John_Havok said:

If you look at last season's trade deadline... it was closers with control who netted the best returns in terms of top prospects. Teams generally dont move top 100 prospects for rentals anymore. But at the same time, Atkins has been pretty good at netting quality roster guys from other teams that aren't highly rated. 

For the closers thing, I'm not sure that Varland would have the same value as Mason Miller did given Miller is on another planet with his skills and track record, but yeah... its worth exploring.

From a purely morbid curiosity standpoint I'd also be curious as to how many fans would flip out if they traded Varland and couldnt dump Hoffman. That vitriol would be very entertaining.

There are rumors that SD is going to move Miller at the deadline...

[Traded_prospect]

Put a fork in it; this team is done.  Too many injuries.  Time to repeat 2024 and pick off some great talent with your expiring guys.

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[Brownie19]

2 more years of control on Cruz.  I wonder what he'd cost to acquire.  

[Orgfiller]

Cruz would be an interesting acquisition. His defense is going to be very frustrating unless there's hope that he can turn it around with more reps. Where's Kevin Kiermaier outfield coach when you need him?

Probably have to accept that he's going to be an uber talented, high variance 2-3 WAR guy. Basically a bizarro Varsho / Vlad combination.

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1 minute ago, Orgfiller said:

Basically a bizarro Varsho / Vlad combination.

[Pendleton]

Read that the A's are receiving interest in their MLB OF's and that Henry Bolte may be seen as their CF of the future. I'm not sure where that leaves (currently injured) Toronto native Denzel Clarke, would guys be interested in acquiring him for the ++ CF defense? The bat is obviously suspect...

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11 minutes ago, Pendleton said:

Read that the A's are receiving interest in their MLB OF's and that Henry Bolte may be seen as their CF of the future. I'm not sure where that leaves (currently injured) Toronto native Denzel Clarke, would guys be interested in acquiring him for the ++ CF defense? The bat is obviously suspect...

He could work. You'd be batting him and Gimenez toward the bottom but we could throw every remaining dollar into improving the corner OF spots and DH to get the offense in gear again.

[glory]

Cruz and Vladdy on the same team would be "rip your hair out" levels of frustrating at times, but the Jays need that type of bat in the lineup. With his arm maybe see how he does in RF. There will still be stupid mistakes on defense, but the arm would play nicely there. 

[Brownie19]

3 hours ago, Pendleton said:

Read that the A's are receiving interest in their MLB OF's and that Henry Bolte may be seen as their CF of the future. I'm not sure where that leaves (currently injured) Toronto native Denzel Clarke, would guys be interested in acquiring him for the ++ CF defense? The bat is obviously suspect...

Lawrence Butler went from looking like a young superstar (who the A's locked up) to a complete bust who's signed until 2031 🥴

Denzel Clarke would be a great target if the price was right.  Obvious the defense is already there, but he has all kinds of tools with the bat too - he's just so raw there's a high probability the bat never develops.  Ideally we'd pencil him in as a 4th OFer and see if he can develop into a starter.

Gelof would be an interesting target.  His bat has rebounded after he sh*t the bed in 2024 and 2025 (after his strong 2023 rookie campaign).  Utility guy who's hitting lefties well this year - which would fill a need for this team. I kind of assumed he'd always crushed lefties, but it appears that isn't true.  He's actually been awful v. LHP until this season, so who knows.

Not an OFer, but it's wild how bad Brent Rooker's been this year too.

[glory]

No issues with acquiring Clarke (defense is elite, dude had a 1.3 WAR in 2025 in 159 PA due to his defense/base running alone), and CF is a very difficult position to fill in general, but it would be tough to have him and Gimenez both in the lineup at the same time, and Clarke's bat is also not good. He'd be more of a fit in Straw's current role. Kinda hoping there is a bad contract swap with Gimenez available somewhere. Get rid of some of the s***** hitters on the roster. 

[Pendleton]

1 hour ago, glory said:

No issues with acquiring Clarke (defense is elite, dude had a 1.3 WAR in 2025 in 159 PA due to his defense/base running alone), and CF is a very difficult position to fill in general, but it would be tough to have him and Gimenez both in the lineup at the same time, and Clarke's bat is also not good. He'd be more of a fit in Straw's current role. Kinda hoping there is a bad contract swap with Gimenez available somewhere. Get rid of some of the s***** hitters on the roster. 

 

I like the model of being built around great defense up the middle. In theory I think you can easily get away with lighter hitting/elite defender types in the 8-9 spots but that's contingent on your 1-7 holding their weight. 

[Forever92]

Wonder if Phillies be interested in Hoffman

[hanton]

33 minutes ago, Forever92 said:

Wonder if Phillies be interested in Hoffman

any team trading for him what have to believe he can be fixed, LAD (wouldn't that be funny), CWS, cubs or twins

[Forever92]

On 7/26/2026 at 12:04 AM, hanton said:

any team trading for him what have to believe he can be fixed, LAD (wouldn't that be funny), CWS, cubs or twins

Hoffman has good history in Philly

[Forever92]

On 7/21/2026 at 3:53 PM, glory said:

No issues with acquiring Clarke (defense is elite, dude had a 1.3 WAR in 2025 in 159 PA due to his defense/base running alone), and CF is a very difficult position to fill in general, but it would be tough to have him and Gimenez both in the lineup at the same time, and Clarke's bat is also not good. He'd be more of a fit in Straw's current role. Kinda hoping there is a bad contract swap with Gimenez available somewhere. Get rid of some of the s***** hitters on the roster. 

Difference between Varsho and Clarke not going to be much. Saves a big contract. Lol

Varsho could be another Steve Pearce. We traded him to Red Sox one year and had a great stretch and playoff. 

Re-sign Varsho be big mistake though. 

[Brownie19]

Fangraphs did an article today with some mock trades.  Here is what they suggested for the Jays.

The Arizona Diamondbacks acquire SP Kevin Gausman from the Toronto Blue Jays for OF Druw Jones and SP Mitch Bratt.

Druw Jones probably sucks, but he does have pedigree and athleticism - and we need a CFer of the future.  Bratt doesn't appear to have good stuff, but he's been successful in the upper minors as a lefty SPer.  He's near ML ready, with lots of control and options - so that seems like a good fit.

 

[Laika]

On 7/25/2026 at 11:04 PM, hanton said:

any team trading for him what have to believe he can be fixed, LAD (wouldn't that be funny), CWS, cubs or twins

Or believe that he doesn't need to be fixed.

I mean he has elite K-BB and FIP/xFIP. Not sure there are a lot of front offices that care too much about his ERA and blown saves. 

The bigger issue is the $12.66M salary commitment in 2027. This makes him worth close to nothing (out of context, but perhaps worth something decent in the context of a trade deadline where there are like 8 sellers.) 

[Laika]

1 hour ago, Brownie19 said:

Fangraphs did an article today with some mock trades.  Here is what they suggested for the Jays.

The Arizona Diamondbacks acquire SP Kevin Gausman from the Toronto Blue Jays for OF Druw Jones and SP Mitch Bratt.

Druw Jones probably sucks, but he does have pedigree and athleticism - and we need a CFer of the future.  Bratt doesn't appear to have good stuff, but he's been successful in the upper minors as a lefty SPer.  He's near ML ready, with lots of control and options - so that seems like a good fit.

 

Not that interested 

Demetrio Crisantes is a guy I have had my eye on. Since he is more of a 2B type with limited athleticism, I wonder if he is sort of available. 

[Laika]

Very excited to see some turnover. Team is so stale. 

I actually hope they get MLB ready replacements in these trades, if they can. Why not at least continue to try and go on a run in 2026? It's not unfathomable for them to string off some wins. The core will largely still be here after selling - Vlad, Okamoto, Clement, Kirk, Cease, Varland, Yesavage, Miles, Rogers, probably Hoffman, probably Springer (who will want him...), probably Scherzer (who will want him...) 

If they cannot get a CF back, just slide Lukes over there and put Pinango and Sanchez on the corners. 
If they do trade Springer, that just opens up DH for Keys. 
If there is some opportunity to salary dump Gimenez (very unlikely) you just bring up Kasevich. 
If they end up getting some kind of controllable relief arm, that would be a nice immediate upgrade to the back of the bullpen which is ugly right now. 
If they end up finding trades for Gausman, Bieber, and Scherzer, that would mean Miles slides in and two holes are created. Bloss is on the 40 man and probably no worse than Scherzer. Throw him to the wolves. If a MLB ready SP does not come back in trade, then it's up to Dallas and Stanifer to take the 5 slot. But Scherzer isn't going anywhere. 

[Forever92]

I would keep Scherzer, somebody has to pitch. Bieber and Gausman I would move. Saves the team 10 million or so, to use next season. 

[max silver]

43 minutes ago, Laika said:

Very excited to see some turnover. Team is so stale. 

I actually hope they get MLB ready replacements in these trades, if they can. Why not at least continue to try and go on a run in 2026? It's not unfathomable for them to string off some wins. The core will largely still be here after selling - Vlad, Okamoto, Clement, Kirk, Cease, Varland, Yesavage, Miles, Rogers, probably Hoffman, probably Springer (who will want him...), probably Scherzer (who will want him...) 

If they cannot get a CF back, just slide Lukes over there and put Pinango and Sanchez on the corners. 
If they do trade Springer, that just opens up DH for Keys. 
If there is some opportunity to salary dump Gimenez (very unlikely) you just bring up Kasevich. 
If they end up getting some kind of controllable relief arm, that would be a nice immediate upgrade to the back of the bullpen which is ugly right now. 
If they end up finding trades for Gausman, Bieber, and Scherzer, that would mean Miles slides in and two holes are created. Bloss is on the 40 man and probably no worse than Scherzer. Throw him to the wolves. If a MLB ready SP does not come back in trade, then it's up to Dallas and Stanifer to take the 5 slot. But Scherzer isn't going anywhere. 

I believe Bloss recently suffered from a shoulder injury and is potentially done for the rest of the season.

[Laika]

Just now, max silver said:

I believe Bloss recently suffered from a shoulder injury and is potentially done for the rest of the season.

shut up 

[L54]

Please sell everyone

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