John Schneider - Possible contract extension

[G-Snarls]

 

 

[G-Snarls]

You know an extension is going to happen 

Whether you like his decision making or not, the front office and the players seem to love him 

[Laika]

Easiest extension decision ever

Thank god they didn't fire him after 2024

[G-Snarls]

5 minutes ago, Laika said:

Easiest extension decision ever

Thank god they didn't fire him after 2024

Or at the end of April...

[GoBlue41]

The culture of this team is amazing. The players play for one another and genuinely seem to like one another. Seems like a true team that other teams are envious of,  I would say that the head coach is largely responsible for the culture of the team. He definitely deserves an extension. 

[SeranthonySantander]

he gets a 95/100

the swearing is a bit offensive in some of the interviews

seems like an ok guy otherwise

[jaysblue]

While I disagree with some of his in-game decision making, I think he'll continue to learn and improve with more experience. Like he's improved from 2022 till now, so that is encouraging. 

Seems like he's a likeable guy in that clubhouse and the players respect him. Have to give him credit for helping create that culture in the clubhouse this past season. 

[Omar]

He has really come into his own this past season. Way more confident than he was when he took over for Bongos.

Pay him.

[John_Havok]

Would be a pretty terrible look for an org to not extend the Manager immediately following a WS run. 

[Brownie19]

4 hours ago, jaysblue said:

While I disagree with some of his in-game decision making, I think he'll continue to learn and improve with more experience. Like he's improved from 2022 till now, so that is encouraging. 

Seems like he's a likeable guy in that clubhouse and the players respect him. Have to give him credit for helping create that culture in the clubhouse this past season. 

Kudos to you for keeping an open mind about this.  Managers can improve, just like players do.

[Pendleton]

4 hours ago, jaysblue said:

While I disagree with some of his in-game decision making, I think he'll continue to learn and improve with more experience. Like he's improved from 2022 till now, so that is encouraging. 

Seems like he's a likeable guy in that clubhouse and the players respect him. Have to give him credit for helping create that culture in the clubhouse this past season. 

His BP management was always a question mark, and to his credit I think it has now become a strength. 

[Governator]

John is part of the clubhouse chemistry at this point, players dig him, he's passionate about winning and overall has done a really good job.  There would be way too much pushback if he was let go (nor should he be).  Managers don't get fired when you go from last to first.

[Wake n bake]

14 hours ago, SeranthonySantander said:

he gets a 95/100

the swearing is a bit offensive in some of the interviews

seems like an ok guy otherwise

I find the swearing shows he’s human and just another guy, I’ve been hard on him in the past but you can tell he’s making his own decisions now and he’s making IN game decisions which he rarely did in years before, I like the JS that came out in the post season , yeah he fuked up a few times but he learned from it and that’s huge, extend him long term!

[Laika]

My only real criticism of JS from the playoffs is that he fell into some small sample size fallacies with relievers 

Absolutely fell in love with Chris Bassitt who then gave up a consequential run in WS G7 

Fell in love with Hoffman as the de facto closer because of some postseason innings, even after his massively sucky regular season, and guess who blew WS G7?

Abandoned Little after one bad outing 

There was a better way to manage WS G7 and it was probably trusting Trey Yesavage for the last 9 outs. Maybe Fluharty if you had to get Ohtani in the 9th. 

[Spanky__99]

Ifs and buts were candy and nuts, we'd all have a Merry Christmas! 😉

[Olerud363.354]

9 minutes ago, Laika said:

My only real criticism of JS from the playoffs is that he fell into some small sample size fallacies with relievers 

Also keeping Lucas second in games 6 and 7.

I mentioned this before and got some grief.  It's like people haven't watched the team since 2021.  THERE have been several attempts to get Vlad to hit second.  They go with it for a few weeks and inevitably have back-tracked several times as he just hasn't performed as well there.  But... they hit him second games 4 and 5 and he was great.  So it like perfect opportunity to keep him there.

The second spot in the line-up screwed us in game 7.  If game 7 lineup is Springer Vlad Bichette Barger Kirk Lucas Clement Varsho Jiminez Jays are world series champs. 

Dave Roberts probably wins the series if he managed either side.    And absolutely no disrespect to Schneider at all.  He is great.  He values making guys comfortable and keeping them in their roles, which is how Cito won World Series.  However this scenario.  The 'win or lose by an inch' World Series, Dave Roberts making some adjustments won it... if he managed the Jays and fiddled with roles Jays might have won it. 

 

 

[Orgfiller]

12 minutes ago, Laika said:

My only real criticism of JS from the playoffs is that he fell into some small sample size fallacies with relievers 

Absolutely fell in love with Chris Bassitt who then gave up a consequential run in WS G7 

Fell in love with Hoffman as the de facto closer because of some postseason innings, even after his massively sucky regular season, and guess who blew WS G7?

Abandoned Little after one bad outing 

There was a better way to manage WS G7 and it was probably trusting Trey Yesavage for the last 9 outs. Maybe Fluharty if you had to get Ohtani in the 9th. 

Honestly, Little just always has that look on the mound where he looks like he's s***ing his pants. I really can't blame JS for avoiding using him with the body language and general mental fortitude that he visibly shows out there. Don't forget he also gave up the game-winning HR in the 18 inning marathon! So much for the guy being able to keep the ball in the park lol, gave up two of the biggest homers the pitching staff allowed in the entire postseason run, in only 4 IP!

I think while the SSS criticism is fair, there's something to kind of trust the hot hand a bit in the playoffs, when for some guys the moment is too big. He arguably left Varsho up too high in the lineup for a bit too long when Barger was crushing it and it hurt us a bit, not that I'm blaming that on Schneider.

Fluharty didn't quite maintain the magic in the Dodgers series, Fisher's command regressed a bit, Seranthony was gas canning heavily. Meanwhile Hoffman was having the best stretch of the season at the perfect time, and of course it would come back to bite us to rely on him when we needed it the absolute most.

Not to mention JS single handedly building Varland's innings count up so he could be ready for a full season starter's workload.

[Orgfiller]

3 minutes ago, Olerud363.354 said:

Also keeping Lucas second in games 6 and 7.

I mentioned this before and got some grief.  It's like people haven't watched the team since 2021.  THERE have been several attempts to get Vlad to hit second.  They go with it for a few weeks and inevitably have back-tracked several times as he just hasn't performed as well there.  But... they hit him second games 4 and 5 and he was great.  So it like perfect opportunity to keep him there.

The second spot in the line-up screwed us in game 7.  If game 7 lineup is Springer Vlad Bichette Barger Kirk Lucas Clement Varsho Jiminez Jays are world series champs. 

Dave Roberts probably wins the series if he managed either side.    And absolutely no disrespect to Schneider at all.  He is great.  He values making guys comfortable and keeping them in their roles, which is how Cito won World Series.  However this scenario.  The 'win or lose by an inch' World Series, Dave Roberts making some adjustments won it... if he managed the Jays and fiddled with roles Jays might have won it. 

First of all, heavy disagree on Dave Roberts out managing Schneider in that series. This to me is heavy revisionist logic based on the outcome of the games. He didn't use his bench properly at all, but ultimately it didn't really matter. Mookie Betts was a black hole and hit second for most of the series. Starting Miguel Rojas in a game 7 should have been a stupid reactionary move, but of course it worked out for him.

His pitching usage was nothing special, he just had the luxury of Yamamoto being a robot and bailing him out for 3 wins single handedly. Ohtani staying to pitch 3 innings in Game 7 was objectively a bad call and almost lost them the series.

If you look at the numbers, for whatever reason Vlad hits significantly better in the 3 spot, in his entire career over thousands of PAs. There's gonna be a lot of noise to that, but if the reason is psychological then you simply have to put your best hitter and player in the most comfortable position, since that's what's best for the team to win.

[Spanky__99]

47 minutes ago, Orgfiller said:

Honestly, Little just always has that look on the mound where he looks like he's s***ing his pants. I really can't blame JS for avoiding using him with the body language and general mental fortitude that he visibly shows out there. Don't forget he also gave up the game-winning HR in the 18 inning marathon! So much for the guy being able to keep the ball in the park lol, gave up two of the biggest homers the pitching staff allowed in the entire postseason run, in only 4 IP!

I think while the SSS criticism is fair, there's something to kind of trust the hot hand a bit in the playoffs, when for some guys the moment is too big. He arguably left Varsho up too high in the lineup for a bit too long when Barger was crushing it and it hurt us a bit, not that I'm blaming that on Schneider.

Fluharty didn't quite maintain the magic in the Dodgers series, Fisher's command regressed a bit, Seranthony was gas canning heavily. Meanwhile Hoffman was having the best stretch of the season at the perfect time, and of course it would come back to bite us to rely on him when we needed it the absolute most.

Not to mention JS single handedly building Varland's innings count up so he could be ready for a full season starter's workload.

Well said Org.

 

[Stangstag]

1 hour ago, Laika said:

My only real criticism of JS from the playoffs is that he fell into some small sample size fallacies with relievers 

Absolutely fell in love with Chris Bassitt who then gave up a consequential run in WS G7 

Fell in love with Hoffman as the de facto closer because of some postseason innings, even after his massively sucky regular season, and guess who blew WS G7?

Abandoned Little after one bad outing 

There was a better way to manage WS G7 and it was probably trusting Trey Yesavage for the last 9 outs. Maybe Fluharty if you had to get Ohtani in the 9th. 

Honestly, this one shocked me most. 

[Omar]

3 hours ago, Olerud363.354 said:

 

Dave Roberts probably wins the series if he managed either side.   

You lost me here.  

[Olerud363.354]

3 hours ago, Orgfiller said:

Mookie Betts was a black hole and hit second for most of the series.

So was Nathan Lukes.  Same numbers regular season and World Series.  I'm not trying to be a jerk to Lukes at all, and appreciate what he did for us this year.   

3 hours ago, Orgfiller said:

he just had the luxury of Yamamoto being a robot and bailing him out for 3 wins single handedly. Ohtani staying to pitch 3 innings in Game 7 was objectively a bad call and almost lost them the series

Bringing Yamamoto out for game 7 was a gutsy call, should get credit for that. 

3 hours ago, Orgfiller said:

If you look at the numbers, for whatever reason Vlad hits significantly better in the 3 spot, in his entire career over thousands of PAs.

That is part of my point.  Every single other time Vlad hit second he slumped, but he was great game 4 and 5 of World Series hitting second.   He did more in 2 games hitting second in LA, then he had for 20 game stretches in his mid-season hitting second runs.  At that point there was no reason to not keep him there. 

Because of the butterfly effect you can't exactly reconstruct the game with Vlad hitting 2nd instead of Lucas/Schneider/Straw (if you did and everyone did the same thing, Jays win).  Nevertheless second spot was 0 for 6 getting on base that game.

 

 

[Olerud363.354]

23 minutes ago, Omar said:

You lost me here.

If Roberts managed the Jays they probably would have won that series... not saying he is a great manager just the right guy for the circumstance of the series.   

For example one thing he did was save the defensive subs for the most critical circumstance.  Did not sub Pages in until after Kirk got hit in game 7.  With that philosophy Jays likely win game 3.  With optimal lineup construction they likely win game 7.

Not trying to argue Roberts is a great manager.  His decisions just worked out for the circumstances of the series, and I think same philosophy would have worked out for the Jays....  Like wait longer for defensive subs and pinch running they win game 3.