Offseason Roster Thread 2025-26

[Carlos Danger]

56 minutes ago, Orgfiller said:

They literally signed the top FA starting pitcher, the KBO MVP and arguably the top NPB bat available lol. Even Rogers can't afford to carelessly spend money like this.

I am referring to FA competition vs the big boys. We are like 0-6. 

I also don't believe we are substantially better Team ****today then the end of last year with the loss of Bo, and not able to add Tucker.

****Albeit, still a lot of players/trades to be had.

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[ValiantJaysFan]

32 minutes ago, JaysFan99 said:

So the Jays could have just offered him 7/210 in the first place and never bothered with Tucker.  Bo has never won a playoff series in his career and I doubt he wins one in New York.

Bo was never coming back, I knew he was gone years ago the first chance he got. 

[G-Snarls]

These contracts are insane 

[sliderguy35]

31 minutes ago, Olerud363.354 said:

There was an argument about this a while back, and while it at first appears that Schneider has a significant advantage over Clement against righties, when you adjust for sample size it is almost nothing.  However if you really want to get into the weeds you could argue about the sample size adjustments. 

i was more looking at the batted ball distribution rather than the results themselves (which is much stickier across smaller sample sizes)

since becoming (essentially) a full time player in 2024, ernie's groundball rate spikes by close to 8% when facing righties vs lefties which is ultimately the reason why he's less effective against them (barring crazy BABIP luck like he had in the postseason).

over his entire career, schneider's the same player vs both righties and lefties: pulls the ball a ton in the air & doesn't chase with barely passable contact rates. i have more faith in a guy like that being a platoon neutral contributor as long as he can fake it enough at 2B

[Alejandro Murphy]

Sad day for the Jays, punch in the gut after inches away to a Championship trophy then this 24 hours of torture waiting for the big shoe to drop

the what if game, Bo may have stayed if we won but yet again money talks for him and for that insane money given to Tucker

 

Excited for Ernie to a more stable role.

 

personally can’t stress enough Vlad’s importance to this team.

 

Lets go Jays !

[Bob_Gratton]

1 hour ago, jaysblue said:

Doesn't make sense. 

Mets have Lindor at shortstop and Semien at second base. Where would Bo play? Third?

DH

[Laika]

I mean good thing they didn't let Vlad walk and think they could just sign Tucker and Bo instead

lol

[Governator]

At least we have ownership who is willing to spend and go after these guys. It feels different right now and it's still a hard sell to free agents to commit moving to another country for 7-10  years and deal with customs for 7 months of the year. Everyone knows it's a pain in the ass and the least attractive part of signing here. If Dodgers or NY are throwing FU money around you just take your shot and force them to overpay at worst.

[Bob_Gratton]

Atkins should take advantage of the Cards fire sales, and trade for Brendan Donovan. Doing this, we can use Clement at 3B, Barger RF, so we will have good defense excepted at LF when Santander will be in starting lineup.

[philly30]

Just now, Governator said:

At least we have ownership who is willing to spend and go after these guys. It feels different right now and it's still a hard commitment for free agents to commit moving to another country for 7-10  years and deal with customs for 7 months of the year. Everyone knows it's a pain in the ass and the least attractive part of signing here. If Dodgers or NY are throwing FU money around you just take your shot and force them to overpay at worst.

Not like they are being offered minimum wage to move to syria

[Laika]

Brendan Donovan has projections between 2.5 and 2.8 fWAR in 520 to 580 PA 

That's probably quite a mild upgrade on the roster. Maybe 0.5 to 1 win? 

[Governator]

6 minutes ago, philly30 said:

Not like they are being offered minimum wage to move to syria

Kind of my point... Sometimes money only goes so far. If wife prefers to be in LA where the travel is likely easier with a newborn (ahem Tucker) what are you going to do?  

[Bob_Gratton]

Just now, philly30 said:

Not like they are being offered minimum wage to move to syria

Dodgers GM said after he sign DIaz, that if you want to close a deal, you sometime need overpaid than remaining rational, otherwise u will finish second or third. Jays seem to finish too much often third, behind Dodgers and Mets.

[Brownie19]

6 minutes ago, Bob_Gratton said:

Atkins should take advantage of the Cards fire sales, and trade for Brendan Donovan. Doing this, we can use Clement at 3B, Barger RF, so we will have good defense excepted at LF when Santander will be in starting lineup.

I still can't figure out if you posts are serious or satire...

[Orgfiller]

10 minutes ago, Laika said:

I mean good thing they didn't let Vlad walk and think they could just sign Tucker and Bo instead

lol

I can't believe the Vlad contract doesn't even look that unreasonable already. If he was a free agent he'd have the Mets trying to pair him with Soto as a Pete Alonso replacement, and the Dodgers probably bidding for him for shits and giggles to replace Max Muncy. Probably gets 70M AAV for 5 years or creeps up on the Soto deal.

[JaysFan99]

3 minutes ago, Bob_Gratton said:

Dodgers GM said after he sign DIaz, that if you want to close a deal, you sometime need overpaid than remaining rational, otherwise u will finish second or third. Jays seem to finish too much often third, behind Dodgers and Mets.

I think our (and every other) front office are going to have to adjust to this new low year/high AAV norm.  We were still offering Tucker long term and the Phillies were offering Bo long term.  

[newhere]

Realistically, how optimistic should we be about the roster as is?

[Orgfiller]

9 minutes ago, Laika said:

Brendan Donovan has projections between 2.5 and 2.8 fWAR in 520 to 580 PA 

That's probably quite a mild upgrade on the roster. Maybe 0.5 to 1 win? 

Yeah I think the Okamoto addition effectively rendered a Donovan acquisition moot. Good player and cheap, but for the acquisition cost you might as well roll out with Ernie and Barger who may be just as good.

[Bob_Gratton]

2 minutes ago, Laika said:

Brendan Donovan has projections between 2.5 and 2.8 fWAR in 520 to 580 PA 

That's probably quite a mild upgrade on the roster. Maybe 0.5 to 1 win? 

Donovan can easily hit for .275+AVG, 15+HR with good defensive skills and can play 3B,2B,LF, and cost 5.8 m annualy. This mean u can even sign Bellinger if really want, and trade guys like Straw, Schneider, Lukes

[Orgfiller]

6 minutes ago, JaysFan99 said:

I think our (and every other) front office are going to have to adjust to this new low year/high AAV norm.  We were still offering Tucker long term and the Phillies were offering Bo long term.  

The Jays weren't trying to pay Kyle Tucker $100M in 2026 after accounting for the luxury tax hit. There's not many teams that can get away with what the Dodgers and Mets are doing. The former are printing money with Ohtani and their TV deal, and the latter is a rich ******* who spends for fun. Rogers doesn't quite have that luxury, as profitable as the Jays have been over the last calendar year.

[Olerud363.354]

12 minutes ago, Laika said:

Brendan Donovan has projections between 2.5 and 2.8 fWAR in 520 to 580 PA 

That's probably quite a mild upgrade on the roster. Maybe 0.5 to 1 win? 

Want to avoid an IKF type getting either a run of playing time in the regular season, or critical at bats in playoffs. 

[Bob_Gratton]

6 minutes ago, JaysFan99 said:

I think our (and every other) front office are going to have to adjust to this new low year/high AAV norm.  We were still offering Tucker long term and the Phillies were offering Bo long term.  

Yep, instead offering 8-10 years contract at fair annual salary , need to offer 2-3 years contract at 40m annualy. So 3/120 for Bellinger

[Orgfiller]

Just now, Olerud363.354 said:

Want to avoid an IKF type getting either a run of playing time in the regular season, or critical at bats in playoffs. 

If the Jays used Davis Schneider more this wouldn't have happened anyway. At the end of the day, Bichette's injury and the timing of it cost them dearly, it's hard to replace guys like that in the most important spots of the playoffs when you've been counting on them all season.

[Bob_Gratton]

1 minute ago, Olerud363.354 said:

Want to avoid an IKF type getting either a run of playing time in the regular season, or critical at bats in playoffs. 

He's far better than IKF,  Schneider, or what we have in Buffalo at 2B or SS.

[abola2121]

9 minutes ago, newhere said:

Realistically, how optimistic should we be about the roster as is?

90+ wins should be attainable, but uncertainty come playoff time. We still need a shutdown closer.

[Bob_Gratton]

2 minutes ago, Orgfiller said:

If the Jays used Davis Schneider more this wouldn't have happened anyway. At the end of the day, Bichette's injury and the timing of it cost them dearly, it's hard to replace guys like that in the most important spots of the playoffs when you've been counting on them all season.

Schneider he's a .220 AVG, have some power but with poor defensive skills

[HomeRunHomer]

The Vlad contract is now somehow a bargain.

[Bob_Gratton]

Just now, abola2121 said:

90+ wins should be attainable, but uncertainty come playoff time. We still need a shutdown closer.

Less than 90 wins, coz we didn't replaced Bo bat, and Santander, Barger are no safe bet, so other than Vlad and Springer, lineup is full of guys who shouldn't be top 5 in batting order.

[Bob_Gratton]

Just now, Bob_Gratton said:

Less than 90 wins, coz we didn't replaced Bo bat, and Santander, Barger are no safe bet, so other than Vlad and Springer, lineup is full of guys who shouldn't be top 5 in batting order.

 

Just now, Bob_Gratton said:

Less than 90 wins, coz we didn't replaced Bo bat, and Santander, Barger are no safe bet, so other than Vlad and Springer, lineup is full of guys who shouldn't be top 5 in batting order.

It's why if you get Donovan and Bellinger, top 5 will be, Springer, Donovan, Vlad, Bellinger, Santander

[glory]

13 minutes ago, Olerud363.354 said:

Want to avoid an IKF type getting either a run of playing time in the regular season, or critical at bats in playoffs. 

If the Jays are running a Clement/Gimenez infield, then my fear is still waking up to a "Jays sign IKF to a minor league contract" notification. You'll have people who don't know better saying "there's no such thing as a bad minor league contract", completely oblivious to the fact that it would ultimately lead to JS twisting the roster into a pretzel trying to figure out how to get IKF 400 big league PA next season. The Jays better be in love with Leo Jimenez or spend actual money on a good backup infielder. I don't care which one, just pick one of those options.

As far as the pivot from Tucker, and speaking of the Cardinals, I wonder if Nootbaar would be of any interest. Two more years of control and statcast data looks intriguing despite him playing hurt last year.