Offseason Roster Thread 2025-26

[jaysblue]

5 hours ago, Spanky__99 said:

You want me to offer odds, on a bet? Sounds to me that you have zero faith, sounds about right? Since you ignore fact. II'll take that bet, yella!

Straight up or fly.

 

Oh now you bet. When I want a friendly $20 bet during our fantasy sports matchups, you're the punani! 

[Spanky__99]

5 minutes ago, jaysblue said:

Oh now you bet. When I want a friendly $20 bet during our fantasy sports matchups, you're the punani! 

You ask for odds, ever since, you can eat a dick.

True story.

[jaysblue]

2 minutes ago, Spanky__99 said:

You ask for odds, ever since, you can eat a dick.

True story.

In LOD, yes I did.

Other leagues, were straight up bets. 

[Spanky__99]

2 minutes ago, jaysblue said:

In LOD, yes I did.

Other leagues, were straight up bets. 

You ruined your action, simple.

 

[jaysblue]

Just now, Spanky__99 said:

You ruined your action, simple.

 

How so?

[Spanky__99]

Just now, jaysblue said:

How so?

Asking for odds in a H2H, fool.

[jaysblue]

1 minute ago, Spanky__99 said:

Asking for odds in a H2H, fool.

In LOD, your team was clearly one of the better teams and mine was one rebuilding. Plus I remember that week, most of my bats were injured, so you had a clear advantage. I think I deserved some odds there and its not like I asked for much.

As for FC, DDL and BORED, I've never asked for odds since our teams are pretty even. 

[Spanky__99]

5 minutes ago, jaysblue said:

In LOD, your team was clearly one of the better teams and mine was one rebuilding. Plus I remember that week, most of my bats were injured, so you had a clear advantage. I think I deserved some odds there and its not like I asked for much.

As for FC, DDL and BORED, I've never asked for odds since our teams are pretty even. 

[Spanky__99]

Rebuilding, lol

 

[jaysblue]

12 minutes ago, Spanky__99 said:

[mphenhef]

47 minutes ago, Spanky__99 said:

Asking for odds in a H2H, fool.

I wouldn't trust someone asking for odds in a H2H dynasty matchup.  they either have a gambling problem or next thing you know they would have a trade sending out their future to win that week.  

[Eat My Shatkins]

My gawd baseball free agency suxxxxxxxxx

[Pendleton]

19 minutes ago, Eat My Shatkins said:

My gawd baseball free agency suxxxxxxxxx

Meh I think this slow burn is better than hockey where the whole off season happens within nearly a week, and then you have over two months of virtually nothing. 

[Eat My Shatkins]

5 minutes ago, Pendleton said:

Meh I think this slow burn is better than hockey where the whole off season happens within nearly a week, and then you have over two months of virtually nothing. 

Nah, I'd rather know where the big pieces fall earlier on and have a pretty good idea what the final roster will look like. This slow burn is just months and months of "ifs" and "maybe's". Each to their own I guess.

[jmomcc]

15 hours ago, Brownie19 said:

They are?  I've watched Bobby Miller and Dustin May come up and flop recently.  The Dodgers buy most of their pitchers these days.

I'm not suggesting they're "bad" at developing arms, but they haven't had nearly as much success lately.

I decided to go back and have a look to see if my belief is correct. 

In the last ten years, so since the 2016 draft, the dodgers have signed and developed 13 pitchers (who produced positive WAR) to produce 25.2 WAR. So, about 277m in value before salary, at $11m per WAR. There was one one first round pick. One is an unsigned draft free agent. 

The jays have produced 3 pitchers with positive WAR in that time span who have produced 6.1 WAR. For a total of $67.1m value pre salary. There are 2 first rounders on that list. 

I didn't include adult international free agents. I also didn't include drafted pre 2016. That would give the jays romano, borucki and Mayza who were credibly developed by this front office, but would give the dodgers Beuhler and Urias at least. 
 

They also used one of their top pitchers (pepiot) who only contributed .4 WAR to the number above but got them glasnow in a trade. I didn't really look into what they have traded away beyond that. 
 

I'd say their future outlook is pretty good. Sheehan projects to 3.7 wins this year at 200 innings which would be best on our team by the same metric. Of course, they might trade him. They also have a whole bunch of guys where i'd expect one to pop into something more. Maybe Wrobleski.

This is all while constantly competing with low draft pools. 

[BTS]

21 minutes ago, Pendleton said:

Meh I think this slow burn is better than hockey where the whole off season happens within nearly a week, and then you have over two months of virtually nothing. 

Agreed - I've grown to like the slow offseason. Baseball is better than every other sport, and there's news/drama to follow literally year round. The 5-month offseason would be miserable if everything happened in a couple of days at the start of November. 

[Brownie19]

12 minutes ago, jmomcc said:

I decided to go back and have a look to see if my belief is correct. 

In the last ten years, so since the 2016 draft, the dodgers have signed and developed 13 pitchers (who produced positive WAR) to produce 25.2 WAR. So, about 277m in value before salary, at $11m per WAR. There was one one first round pick. One is an unsigned draft free agent. 

The jays have produced 3 pitchers with positive WAR in that time span who have produced 6.1 WAR. For a total of $67.1m value pre salary. There are 2 first rounders on that list. 

I didn't include adult international free agents. I also didn't include drafted pre 2016. That would give the jays romano, borucki and Mayza who were credibly developed by this front office, but would give the dodgers Beuhler and Urias at least. 
 

They also used one of their top pitchers (pepiot) who only contributed .4 WAR to the number above but got them glasnow in a trade. I didn't really look into what they have traded away beyond that. 
 

I'd say their future outlook is pretty good. Sheehan projects to 3.7 wins this year at 200 innings which would be best on our team by the same metric. Of course, they might trade him. They also have a whole bunch of guys where i'd expect one to pop into something more. Maybe Wrobleski.

This is all while constantly competing with low draft pools. 

I'm sorry you spent all that time preparing this, but this comparison is stupid because I also don't think the Jays have been good at developing pitchers.

All I was saying is LA used to have a staff full of home grown talent in he late 2010's and early 2020's.

Kershaw, Urias, Buehler, Gonsolin, Graterol, Jansen, Baez, etc.

Now they buy most of their talent and have had issues developing the really talented arms they did draft/develop.  

I'm kinda done with this - are you?  Please say yes.

[jmomcc]

4 minutes ago, Brownie19 said:I'm sorry you spent all that time preparing this, but this comparison is stupid because I also don't think the Jays have been good at developing pitchers.

All I was saying is LA used to have a staff full of home grown talent in he late 2010's and early 2020's.

 

Kershaw, Urias, Buehler, Gonsolin, Graterol, Jansen, Baez, etc.

Now they buy most of their talent and have had issues developing the really talented arms they did draft/develop.  

I'm kinda done with this - are you?  Please say yes.

I doubt many teams have the dodger's number beat over the last ten years. And i am pretty sure no one has 12 pitchers drafted after the first round producing positive WAR for them over the last ten years. 

 

I'd also say just from sheer volume, at least two of this group will end up also being really good. Sheehan already projects as better than our entire staff. 
 

I didn't even realize we could not be done. It was done already lol. The dodgers were and are excellent at pitching development. We are showing some tentative signs of improvement but are unlikely to ever get to their level. 

[glory]

31 minutes ago, BTS said:

Agreed - I've grown to like the slow offseason. Baseball is better than every other sport, and there's news/drama to follow literally year round. The 5-month offseason would be miserable if everything happened in a couple of days at the start of November. 

I think I see both sides of the argument. I hate how slow baseball off seasons are, but if everything happened in the first week of November and then radio silence until February when pitchers and catchers reported, then not sure that would be any more fun than the current set up. In a non salary cap league there is no fair way to create a signing window so you kinda just have to live with this unless a cap is instituted.

The one good thing about how bad baseball off seasons are is that a lockout next winter (as long as it doesn't bleed into the regular season) is probably going to be unnoticeable. It's been 18 days since Game 7 of the World Series and we've had one big signing (Naylor) and one reasonably sized trade (Rodriguez/Ward). We probably won't see any real action until early to mid December. 

[hanton]

27 minutes ago, jmomcc said:

I doubt many teams have the dodger's number beat over the last ten years. And i am pretty sure no one has 12 pitchers drafted after the first round producing positive WAR for them over the last ten years. 

 

I'd also say just from sheer volume, at least two of this group will end up also being really good. Sheehan already projects as better than our entire staff. 
 

I didn't even realize we could not be done. It was done already lol. The dodgers were and are excellent at pitching development. We are showing some tentative signs of improvement but are unlikely to ever get to their level. 

people also forget LA picks at the bottom of the draft

[Jimcanuck]

30 minutes ago, hanton said:

people also forget LA picks at the bottom of the draft

And 6 of the last 9 Dodgers 1st round picks were exposed in the Rule 5 draft.  The Dodgers are getting it done by player development and excellence in international scouting.

[jmomcc]

12 minutes ago, Jimcanuck said:

And 6 of the last 9 Dodgers 1st round picks were exposed in the Rule 5 draft.  The Dodgers are getting it done by player development and excellence in international scouting.

Yea drafting and developing pitchers and international scouting i'd say are their 1A/1B excellent skills. 

[mphenhef]

1 hour ago, jmomcc said:

I decided to go back and have a look to see if my belief is correct. 

In the last ten years, so since the 2016 draft, the dodgers have signed and developed 13 pitchers (who produced positive WAR) to produce 25.2 WAR. So, about 277m in value before salary, at $11m per WAR. There was one one first round pick. One is an unsigned draft free agent. 

The jays have produced 3 pitchers with positive WAR in that time span who have produced 6.1 WAR. For a total of $67.1m value pre salary. There are 2 first rounders on that list. 

I didn't include adult international free agents. I also didn't include drafted pre 2016. That would give the jays romano, borucki and Mayza who were credibly developed by this front office, but would give the dodgers Beuhler and Urias at least. 
 

They also used one of their top pitchers (pepiot) who only contributed .4 WAR to the number above but got them glasnow in a trade. I didn't really look into what they have traded away beyond that. 
 

I'd say their future outlook is pretty good. Sheehan projects to 3.7 wins this year at 200 innings which would be best on our team by the same metric. Of course, they might trade him. They also have a whole bunch of guys where i'd expect one to pop into something more. Maybe Wrobleski.

This is all while constantly competing with low draft pools. 

This would be much better if the comparison was to an org actually good at developing pitchers and not the Jays.  Give me the numbers on say the Astros or even the Yankees.

[Brownie19]

1 minute ago, mphenhef said:

This would be much better if the comparison was to an org actually good at developing pitchers and not the Jays.  Give me the numbers on say the Astros or even the Yankees.

Holy f*ck - let's not please.  The Dodgers are the best in the league at everything - I was wrong.  

[jmomcc]

11 minutes ago, mphenhef said:

This would be much better if the comparison was to an org actually good at developing pitchers and not the Jays.  Give me the numbers on say the Astros or even the Yankees.

I looked at the yankees before. Its much lower than this. 

Of course this isn't really the whole picture, if you trade for a pitcher in A ball, you essentially developed them right? Also, signing someone and changing tons of stuff about them (the rays and the guardians do this) and getting more out of them is development but harder to quantify. 

If we are just going by original signing though, i could easily do all 30 teams. It takes like 5 minutes per team. 

[L54]

2 hours ago, Brownie19 said:

I'm sorry you spent all that time preparing this, but this comparison is stupid because I also don't think the Jays have been good at developing pitchers.

All I was saying is LA used to have a staff full of home grown talent in he late 2010's and early 2020's.

Kershaw, Urias, Buehler, Gonsolin, Graterol, Jansen, Baez, etc.

Now they buy most of their talent and have had issues developing the really talented arms they did draft/develop.  

I'm kinda done with this - are you?  Please say yes.

It is really hard to tell that you’re done with the argument after continuing to argue your position lol 

[L54]

1 hour ago, jmomcc said:

Yea drafting and developing pitchers and international scouting i'd say are their 1A/1B excellent skills. 

The Dodgers are the class of the league and maybe the four major sports because they spend more than anyone else and are the best developmental org in baseball 

I don’t understand why there is this much resistance to what you’re saying. I thought those points were quite commonly accepted 

Also you’re right about the 160 inning benchmark too. Over the last 5 seasons there’s like ten examples of teams that have at least 3 starters throw 160+ innings

[Brownie19]

4 minutes ago, L54 said:

It is really hard to tell that you’re done with the argument after continuing to argue your position lol 

That's why I told him.

[L54]

Just now, Brownie19 said:

That's why I told him.

Yes after attempting to get the last word in 

You and your wife must have never ending battles 

[Terminator]

5 minutes ago, L54 said:

Yes after attempting to get the last word in 

You and your wife must have never ending battles 

This is something I'm trying to be better at

99% of the board feuds would end if people quit worrying about this