Offseason Roster Thread 2025-26

[G-Snarls]

Keep Bo 

Add a top end SP and high end closer

[Scionz]

2 hours ago, Jimcanuck said:

Whats your plan

Literally anything else...

[Eat My Shatkins]

21 minutes ago, max silver said:

I see no reason why the Marlins would have any interest in taking a bad Berrios contract in trade even if the Jays eat salary. 

In my scenario the reason would be to add prospects from the Jays system that they like. And Berrios contract isn't that bad if the Jays eat some of it and he gives them 170 or so innings and 1.5 to 2.0 fWAR

[jmomcc]

I'd keep berrios and hope for a rebound. His velo was down alot for 31. Its possible he was playing injured and he can get back to being a decent innings eater next year. 

[bronson44]

I'm trying not to get my hopes up about them going crazy but I'm not ruling it out. I saw an interview with Keegan on MLB network where he kind of said they already play with the big boys in terms of payroll and they now want to play with the big big boys.

[Jimcanuck]

Crazy some of you want to keep Clement over a guy like Alcantara.

Either overrate Clement or underrate Alcantara or both.  Or emotional attachment.

Alcantara is the type of SP the Jays rotation needs.

[Spanky__99]

59 minutes ago, max silver said:

I see no reason why the Marlins would have any interest in taking a bad Berrios contract in trade even if the Jays eat salary. 

Yeah, you aren't getting Alcantara with Berrios. 

[Spanky__99]

1 hour ago, G-Snarls said:

Agreed 

Go over for one year knowing you'll dip under the next if you have to. 

Though I suppose rules are likely to change by 2027 anyway 

All the more reason to push all in for 2026 :)

Yeah, would be nice.

[Spanky__99]

1 hour ago, Eat My Shatkins said:

In my scenario the reason would be to add prospects from the Jays system that they like. And Berrios contract isn't that bad if the Jays eat some of it and he gives them 170 or so innings and 1.5 to 2.0 fWAR

Thing is the Marlins don't need SP. They're stacked in arms.

[max silver]

12 minutes ago, Jimcanuck said:

Crazy some of you want to keep Clement over a guy like Alcantara.

Either overrate Clement or underrate Alcantara or both.  Or emotional attachment.

Alcantara is the type of SP the Jays rotation needs.

At this point Ernie Clement is a solid 2.5-3 win player, and Alcantara likely falls in the same bucket as a 2.5-3 win starter. This is likely a sideways move especially if Alcantara doesn't rediscover his pre injury performance level, and it's not some kind of massive upgrade as it's robbing one side of the team to supplement the other. 

[Jimcanuck]

11 minutes ago, max silver said:

At this point Ernie Clement is a solid 2.5-3 win player, and Alcantara likely falls in the same bucket as a 2.5-3 win starter. This is likely a sideways move especially if Alcantara doesn't rediscover his pre injury performance level, and it's not some kind of massive upgrade as it's robbing one side of the team to supplement the other. 

Steamer has Alcantara at 2.5 WAR, Clement at 1.6

My plan includes signing Bo.  Not really a lateral move, its trading from an area of strength to improve an area of weakness.

[Spanky__99]

16 minutes ago, Jimcanuck said:

Steamer has Alcantara at 2.5 WAR, Clement at 1.6

My plan includes signing Bo.  Not really a lateral move, its trading from an area of strength to improve an area of weakness.

It's not an egregious idea, but it than creates a weakness in our lineup, I'd rather see them add to the rotation via FA or prospect capital.

[jmomcc]

16 minutes ago, Jimcanuck said:

Steamer has Alcantara at 2.5 WAR, Clement at 1.6

My plan includes signing Bo.  Not really a lateral move, its trading from an area of strength to improve an area of weakness.

Steamer 600/200 (based on 600 pas or 200 innings) has it at 2.1 vs 2.7. 

I personally wouldn't do it because he is possibly back up to like three spots. Having a 2 WAR guy as that is massive. 

I don't think its crazy but also i think miami would want more control coming back. 

[jmomcc]

Alot of those kinds of moves depends on how repeatable guys like clement and lukes are. Does this front office have a skill of finding multi positional guys who they can increase the bat speed a bit on and make into near league average hitters? 

If they are confident about that, i don't hate it. 

[SeranthonySantander]

Clement going to have a better season than last year.  He is untouchable and the team for the next few years should be built around him.

I admit I did not like him at all until the playoffs.

[glory]

Clement is a ~95 wRC+ player who can play great defense at 2B/SS/3B, and he's also 30 years old. I think he has more value to the Jays given their the competitive window than he does in a trade.

[Spanky__99]

7 minutes ago, glory said:

Clement is a ~95 wRC+ player who can play great defense at 2B/SS/3B, and he's also 30 years old. I think he has more value to the Jays given their the competitive window than he does in a trade.

Yeah, it would be "Robbing Peter to pay Paul".

[max silver]

37 minutes ago, Jimcanuck said:

Steamer has Alcantara at 2.5 WAR, Clement at 1.6

My plan includes signing Bo.  Not really a lateral move, its trading from an area of strength to improve an area of weakness.

Steamer's projection is based on Ernie losing most of his surplus defensive value which is absurd. The projection systems are terrible at projecting elite defenders as Varsho was another player who constantly receives ridiculous defensive projections. You can easily tack on another WAR+ to his projection based on him likely matching his previous baserunning and defensive value.

[Pendleton]

 

[Olerud363.354]

53 minutes ago, Jimcanuck said:

Steamer has Alcantara at 2.5 WAR, Clement at 1.6

Steamer has Clement at 1.6 in 118 games with declining defense.   Weird thing is that it has Varsho's defense going negative.  So not sure exactly why it is predicting these guys to fall off a cliff defensively.  

Clement in 150 games with decent defense is more like 3 WAR again...  so if you make that trade by projections you assume the model is correctly modeling Clement's defense and playing time... which it may not be.  

[SeranthonySantander]

11 minutes ago, Pendleton said:

 

Good for Seattle.  At least one GM is doing something.

[Pendleton]

9 minutes ago, SeranthonySantander said:

Good for Seattle.  At least one GM is doing something.

One decent trade and we would be up to three 

[Omar]

I believe Atkins plan A is to sign Bo, Bregman, Imai and also beef up the pen (but that can take place many ways). This is what the Jays need at a minimum to compete for another AL Championship. Yankees/ Bosox will be better.

Resigning Bo won't be enough and Atkins knows it. Get ready for some big moves because Rogers will be stroking checks and raising your cable rates at the same time. 

[L54]

2 hours ago, Jimcanuck said:

Crazy some of you want to keep Clement over a guy like Alcantara.

Either overrate Clement or underrate Alcantara or both.  Or emotional attachment.

Alcantara is the type of SP the Jays rotation needs.

Jim you can’t talk about emotional attachment and want to sign Bo to an 8/240 deal. Thats insane 

Let it be known I am against giving Bo 30M/year for 8 years. Just sign Tucker 

[L54]

38 minutes ago, Pendleton said:

 

Good for Seattle. He seemed like a perfect fit there 

[SeranthonySantander]

28 minutes ago, Pendleton said:

One decent trade and we would be up to three 

Nobody wants to work anymore

I want to see proof of how many emails and phone calls are going on each day

[Spanky__99]

16 minutes ago, L54 said:

Jim you can’t talk about emotional attachment and want to sign Bo to an 8/240 deal. Thats insane 

Let it be known I am against giving Bo 30M/year for 8 years. Just sign Tucker 

He's light in years at that money.

[Jimcanuck]

31 minutes ago, L54 said:

Jim you can’t talk about emotional attachment and want to sign Bo to an 8/240 deal. Thats insane 

Let it be known I am against giving Bo 30M/year for 8 years. Just sign Tucker 

Just used the BA estimate.  Tucker is like $40M AAV

edit - Tucker is est. at 11/$360M so I was off by a bunch

I'm going with the assumption none of us are better than the BA folks at these things.

[Stangstag]

Just now, Jimcanuck said:

Just used the BA estimate.  Tucker is like $40M AAV

Tucker is not getting close to 40m AAV

[L54]

Just now, Jimcanuck said:

Just used the BA estimate.  Tucker is like $40M AAV

Really that was their contact estimate? Feels very heavy