Roki Sasaki signs with LAD

[Delete_My_Account_Thanks]

3 hours ago, Abomination said:

That's not cool. He's clearly at home watching Godzilla movies. He's thinking about maybe considering the possibility of cheering for Ghidorah.

No.. Ross Atkins is at home currently weighing the pros and cons of how many slices of ham to put on his sandwich.  The ham will ultimately spoil with no sandwich being eaten.

[Dick_Pole]

As for the Straw move, given the lack of use for payroll space, this move is decent regardless of the outcome of Sasaki.

[mphenhef]

12 hours ago, glory said:

Predictable ending but the Straw trade made me believe slightly. I didn’t think any team would absorb $11M for one of the worst players in baseball on a pipe dream. Atkins is built different I guess. 

The Straw trade was next level incompetence from Atkins.

[mphenhef]

4 hours ago, Dick_Pole said:

As for the Straw move, given the lack of use for payroll space, this move is decent regardless of the outcome of Sasaki.

Straw was out righted off the Gaurdians roster last year.  It was the kind of contract you should get prospects with for taking not one you give up a PTBNL.  Let’s just hope the player was tied to if they signed Roki or not.

[mphenhef]

10 hours ago, L54 said:

https://www.fangraphs.com/players/dylan-campbell/sa3022751/stats?position=OF
 

Why would you trade 2M for this? Why wouldn’t you just use it on a couple Latinos? 
 

 

Bigger question is as Phillies GM, why do you help your rival sign Sasaki for that?

[Terminator]

1 minute ago, mphenhef said:

Bigger question is as Phillies GM, why do you help your rival sign Sasaki for that?

The Dodgers are giving up nothing and getting a mil in international money.

why did the Kays have to take on Straw’s bad contract? They must actually like Straw? That’s the only way any of this makes sense 

[mphenhef]

10 hours ago, Stangstag said:

Why are you even here then?? Why waste your time whining about a team you don’t even like watching lol

I can’t answer for him, but I can for myself.  I have been a fan since being a kid in the 80’s.  I hate what this front office has done the last couple of years to my favourite team in all of sports.  I want to see them do better so desperately and I know that won’t happen with this front office.  So I will complain and I will still watch.  But Honesty, it was boring baseball for much of last year so if that persists my watching will decrease.

[mphenhef]

1 minute ago, Terminator said:

The Dodgers are giving up nothing and getting a mil in international money.

why did the Kays have to take on Straw’s bad contract? They must actually like Straw? That’s the only way any of this makes sense 

This actually does make sense given the infatuation this front office has for defense only players.   It’s still a bad trade given they could have had the contract for free or with other prospects attached(not sure 2 million in bonus pool does much post Jan 15)

[SuperBlackhawk]

13 hours ago, philly30 said:

How about an international draft

I personally don't care about international players. 

[AMS528]

6 hours ago, Dick_Pole said:

 

4. Let a "certain" type of people do their notorious targeted anti-Asian violence on them, then have it buried in the media. 

After a few years of that, no one from Japan will want to come within a thousand miles of California.

What the actual f*** is wrong with you. 

[tazsub3]

12 hours ago, Stangstag said:

Delusional 

i am delusional about the past, hope you enjoying the present.

[tazsub3]

13 hours ago, Stangstag said:

And sorry, if you didn’t actually watch a single game last year its hard to call yourself a “fan” of the team.

Lets be honest here. You don’t actually give a s***.

I did not say i did not watch a single game. I said i did not watch a complete game, I feel the product has been atrocious and could not get myself to finish 9 innings of analytics crap.

It is irrelevant to me if you think i am fan or not.  As i see it , i used to enjoy my team and now i dont.

And reading these forums, with the exception of a few that want to defend shatkins at any cost, most are hating what they are seeing. .

I guess you one of the exceptions. Enjoy the show :)

[saskjayfan]

7 hours ago, Dick_Pole said:

As for the Straw move, given the lack of use for payroll space, this move is decent regardless of the outcome of Sasaki.

wtf are you talking about?  Miles straw played the entirety of last year in AAA and posted a .651 OPS.  We're on the hook for 12 mil dollars for a player who's useless.  We'll pay luxury tax on this.  We're humming and hawing about 100 mil dollars on Vlad and worrying about how he will perform in years 11, 12, 13 of a contract.  12 mil over the next two years plus tax is 16 which is 25 mil+ in year 13 of Vlad's extension. 

25 mil of the 100 mil gap between the team and Vlad was just set on fire on the hope that Roki would sign with us.  If it had been a sure thing, I get it.  To do this without guarantees when money wasn't the driving factor anyways.  Like Ross really though if we offer him 8 and the Dodgers offer him 5 he'll choose us.  Ross should be fired for making such a stupid deal.  

What do you think Ross' reputation is around the league?  Every other executive in the league is laughing their ass off at Ross. 

I'm in the fire Ross camp.  What can he do to change this.  It starts with signing Vlad.  Honestly, he should be making a decision on Bo.  No one should have more information on Bo than the Jays.  What injuries was he playing through.  What was happening off the field.  Has the league figured him out or do you fully expect him to bounce back?  Bo is a short stop who's had an OPS north of .800 every year of his career.  If you believe that's who he is thank your lucky stars he had a terrible half a season and sign him to an extension.  extra years, lower the AAV. If you don't think he will bounce back trade him. 

The obvious need is offense.  Go sign a couple bats.  At this point I'd be on Alonso, or Santander.  Both if you can afford it.  If you can't one, and there are secondary bat first players on the cheap. 

Scouting.  We've obviously been terrible at identifying talent.  We also made changes so we just have to see how things play out.  Hopefully Tramuta is the guy who can turn things around.  We have International bonus pool money to spend!  Cast a wide net.  Sign lots of players.  All of the so called elite prospects are gone, but it's a crapshoot anyways.  Don't overpay for the left overs.  Just sign a lot of players.  Kirk was a 30K signing.  Acuna was a 100K signing. 

It's time to get moving.  Do something. 

[L54]

7 hours ago, Dick_Pole said:

As for the Straw move, given the lack of use for payroll space, this move is decent regardless of the outcome of Sasaki.

Uhhh how do you figure?

[saskjayfan]

9 minutes ago, L54 said:

Uhhh how do you figure?

He's a player that should never play before Loperfido.  He was a fill in for Varsho if he misses a month or so of the season at which point he could be DFA'd.  That wasn't an issue because we got Sasaki, but we didn't get Sasaki so this trade was just a train wreck. No one has helped Cleveland more than the Jays.  Now if only Cleveland would spend some money. 

[SuperBlackhawk]

8 hours ago, Vladdywagon said:

No.. Ross Atkins is at home currently weighing the pros and cons of how many slices of ham to put on his sandwich.  The ham will ultimately spoil with no sandwich being eaten.

Atinks gives off serious cuckold vibes. He will eat the sandwich when his wife allows it, and not before her bull adds his own special sauce. 

[Rusty_Savage]

15 hours ago, Jays24 said:

Because I'm hoping they make moves that will allow me to watch my favorite team with excitement?  

Why do you think I've been bitching about the team and its moves over the last few years with many of the regular folks here thinking I was crazy lol.  

I thought it was menopause

[John_Havok]

18 hours ago, Pendleton said:

I think we drew the short Straw on this one 

But at least there's an argument to be made in acquiring Straw along with the pool money. 

It's a Straw man argument, but.....

[xposbrad]

15 hours ago, Jays24 said:

Because I'm hoping they make moves that will allow me to watch my favorite team with excitement?  

Why do you think I've been bitching about the team and its moves over the last few years with many of the regular folks here thinking I was crazy lol.  

Even if the Jays signed Santander, this is a 4th place team that maxed payroll with a crappy farm. There isn't going to be exciting until we get a new regime change. Looking forward to prospects coming up and building a winner is exciting, the exact opposite direction this club is going in. Sasaki would have patched a weakness in this club and allowed it to make another corresponding move without adding big payroll. Now, they will just try rearranging chairs on the titanic, but eventually we need to admit that this current strategy is a failure.

 

[tazsub3]

11 hours ago, Vladdywagon said:

No.. Ross Atkins is at home currently weighing the pros and cons of how many slices of ham to put on his sandwich.  The ham will ultimately spoil with no sandwich being eaten.

lol and here i thought he is at home studying the analytics of having 5 starters pitch one inning every game

[tazsub3]

16 hours ago, Jays24 said:

Because I'm hoping they make moves that will allow me to watch my favorite team with excitement?  

Why do you think I've been bitching about the team and its moves over the last few years with many of the regular folks here thinking I was crazy lol.  

if you are crazy then we both are. Fandom always is in the heart, however if the team becomes unwatchable does not mean we stop having an opinion.

On the contrary we should have a more vocal opinion. I did what i can when i was upset.

I am not kidding myself to think me cancelling the season tickets mattered to anyone.  But if many start being disatisfied, then they will take notice and we can finally move into competent management .

And management matters, we seen it with the raptors, heck we are seeing it now with the habs, after they had been horribly ran for decades. hopefully one day soon enough, we can have our jays properly managed and then at least i  can look forward to spring training again like i used to

[Terminator]

Why did the Padres sign international free agents early yesterday? They must have gotten some indication that they were out.

Why didn’t the Jays get that indication? 

[Laika]

Objectively speaking what is $2M in international money worth?

Looking at the draft, pick #46 has a bonus cap of $2M and I found an article from 5 years ago that says pick #46 in the draft has a present day surplus value of $6.6M (above the bonus you have to pay the player). So it was/is worth something like that.

I know the draft and international scene are not directly comparable but let's just say we can directly do it just to estimate. This means Toronto got $3.75M plus something worth $6.6M ($10.35M total value) in order to assume a contract committing $14.75M to Myles Straw, who doesn't even have to be given a 40 man spot.

Okay, there Ross. I did the explaining for you again, you loser. 

Obviously this assumes Toronto can spend the money appropriately on actual international prospects...

 

[BTS]

16 minutes ago, Laika said:

Objectively speaking what is $2M in international money worth?

Looking at the draft, pick #46 has a bonus cap of $2M and I found an article from 5 years ago that says pick #46 in the draft has a present day surplus value of $6.6M (above the bonus you have to pay the player). So it was/is worth something like that.

I know the draft and international scene are not directly comparable but let's just say we can directly do it just to estimate. This means Toronto got $3.75M plus something worth $6.6M ($10.35M total value) in order to assume a contract committing $14.75M to Myles Straw, who doesn't even have to be given a 40 man spot.

Okay, there Ross. I did the explaining for you again, you loser. 

Obviously this assumes Toronto can spend the money appropriately on actual international prospects...

 

It's the kind of move that you'd actually like to see if the team is rebuilding. We'd want Rogers spending cash to stockpile prospects. It just doesn't make any sense given that the team is trying to contend this year, and the 5-6M or whatever that's being spent on Straw this season is probably 5-6M they can't spend on something else to help the 2025 roster. 

[Jimcanuck]

49 minutes ago, Terminator said:

Why did the Padres sign international free agents early yesterday? They must have gotten some indication that they were out.

Why didn’t the Jays get that indication? 

The entire industry is clowning on Ross

[PitaBaby]

Don't even know what to say at this point. It's going to be a record low for attendance this year. But hey, at least they did some renovations.

[Pendleton]

13 hours ago, Vladdywagon said:

No.. Ross Atkins is at home currently weighing the pros and cons of how many slices of ham to put on his sandwich.  The ham will ultimately spoil with no sandwich being eaten.

He kept hearing about Hamas on the news and thought it was Spanish for more ham 

[BatFlip]

1 hour ago, Terminator said:

Why did the Padres sign international free agents early yesterday? They must have gotten some indication that they were out.

Why didn’t the Jays get that indication? 

That's a very good question.

[glory]

1 hour ago, Terminator said:

Why did the Padres sign international free agents early yesterday? They must have gotten some indication that they were out.

Why didn’t the Jays get that indication? 

Honestly think this picture describes Ross Atkins perfectly.

 

[Abomination]

1 hour ago, Terminator said:

Why did the Padres sign international free agents early yesterday? They must have gotten some indication that they were out.

Why didn’t the Jays get that indication? 

It's possible the agent played us. He may have told the front office that Sasaki would sign if they could up the offer, then went back to LA after they did and told them that he'd sign with the Jays unless they could add  extra.

It's also possible that the Jays felt the "risk" was in eating a relatively small bad contract and adding some talent to the minors in exchange for the chance at a franchise changing signing.

Straw also seems like someone Atkins would like. He can't hit, plays good defense, and doesn't strike out a lot. Maybe the Jays think they can tweak something and get him back to where he was in 2021.