Jays trade for OF Myles Straw, cash, and international bonus signing pool space

[The Cats Ass]

4 minutes ago, Brownie19 said:

There is a possibility we aren't getting Roki and we aren't re-signing Vlad and we are in fact starting the rebuild... 

There is a possibility we get Roki. Vlad resigns. And Straw reverts back to 2021 form where he put up 3 WAR. 

[Stangstag]

30 minutes ago, L54 said:

5M bucks this year and next for Straw 

Would you make this deal if you had a 30% chance at Sasaki? 

We kinda needed a backup CF anyways so its not the worst

[wilko]

Straw's going to be the starting CF until Varsho's back from his shoulder. 

[G-Snarls]

From MLBTR:

 

The Jays started with a pool of $6,261,600. The Dodgers had their pool dropped by $1MM for signing Shohei Ohtani, since he rejected a qualifying offer and they were a competitive balance tax payor in 2023, winding up at $5,146,200. Since the Jays are allowed to increase their pool by 60%, they can theoretically get that number as high as $10,018,560. This deal gets them up to $8,261,600.

[L54]

1 minute ago, Stangstag said:

We kinda needed a backup CF anyways so its not the worst

Its an odd fit for a team supposedly up against their spending limit with serviceable guys on the 40 man 

Which is why I asked - would you make this trade if you thought you *only* had a 30% chance at Sasaki? I kind of doubt it but 🤷‍♂️ 

[Brownie19]

3 minutes ago, jaysblue said:

This .gif is certainly getting a workout these days!

[jaysblue]

Has some speed as well. Put up a 3 WAR season playing full time in 2021 haha. Defensively, he can play all 3 outfield spots decently. 

If you can get 1 WAR out of him as your 4th outfielder, not bad. As long as you're not relying on him as a starter, getting 500 PA. 

[Jays24]

6 minutes ago, Brownie19 said:

You need to at least wait to see how much of the salary that Cleveland is covering and who the PTBNL actually is.

And who they use the international bonus pool money on...just hang tight man!

EDIT - $3.75M doesn't seem like enough - is that total, or per year?  F*ck me Ross - you better pull this one off.  Nobody wants Myles Straw.

We've reached the point that Sasaki HAS to sign or there's no way to spin this ********.  We got this scrub taking up our budget to fill up holes we desperately need to fill...

[Brownie19]

3 minutes ago, Stangstag said:

We kinda needed a backup CF anyways so its not the worst

Disagree.  Loperfido, Clase, Berroa are all available and are better than Straw.   This isn't Ross securing the depth piece we need to round out the bench.  This is all about international bonus money.

[L54]

4 minutes ago, jaysblue said:

Has some speed as well. Put up a 3 WAR season playing full time in 2021 haha. Defensively, he can play all 3 outfield spots decently. 

If you can get 1 WAR out of him as your 4th outfielder, not bad. As long as you're not relying on him as a starter, getting 500 PA. 

I think it’s safe to say they aren’t slotting him into the starting 9

[Jonn]

Yea I don’t think you make this move unless you feel pretty confident. I think the Jays can still acquire a little over 1.4M more which means they could offer him over 10M.

Wonder if they will try to max out their additional cap and ofcourse take away options from the Dodgers and Padres.

[jaysblue]

6 minutes ago, L54 said:

I think it’s safe to say they aren’t slotting him into the starting 9

You never know with this ball club haha.

But yeah he might even get DFA before the season as well. 

[L54]

1 minute ago, jaysblue said:

You never know with this ball club haha.

But yeah he might even get DFA before the season as well. 

Kinda thought the same. They might just wind up DFA’ing him 

[Scionz]

The Jays are probably getting Sasaki. You wouldn't trade for bonus pool money otherwise. It's not like the Jays are in a time crunch. If Sasaki chose them or anyone he would give them a heads up and time to acquire the money. I don't understand why anyone would preemptively make this move without a heads up.

[Scionz]

7 minutes ago, Jonn said:

Yea I don’t think you make this move unless you feel pretty confident. I think the Jays can still acquire a little over 1.4M more which means they could offer him over 10M.

Wonder if they will try to max out their additional cap and ofcourse take away options from the Dodgers and Padres.

I agree, zero reason to make this move without a serious indication from Roki's camp. Moreover, if this is just due diligence why aren't we hearing about the same push from the Dodgers to acquire bonus pool money?

[Barrelsandbombs]

IIRC didn't the Mariners trade for more bonus money in 2017 during the original Ohtani sweepstakes, only for him to sign with the Angels?

[Jonn]

If acquiring Straw helps net you Roki you take the L on the money all day and never think twice. You don’t even have to roster him. 
 

Sometimes you have to do things you don’t want to do in order to land your big fish. Plenty of holes to fill. But almost nobody on the free agent market can impact the top of your rotation like Roki can.

[Brock Beauchamp]

13 minutes ago, Scionz said:

The Jays are probably getting Sasaki. You wouldn't trade for bonus pool money otherwise. It's not like the Jays are in a time crunch. If Sasaki chose them or anyone he would give them a heads up and time to acquire the money. I don't understand why anyone would preemptively make this move without a heads up.

Welcome to Jays Centre!

[Stangstag]

7 minutes ago, Jonn said:

If acquiring Straw helps net you Roki you take the L on the money all day and never think twice. You don’t even have to roster him. 
 

Sometimes you have to do things you don’t want to do in order to land your big fish. Plenty of holes to fill. But almost nobody on the free agent market can impact the top of your rotation like Roki can.

There's no f***ing shot he's not signing with the Dodgers

[Pendleton]

16 minutes ago, Barrelsandbombs said:

IIRC didn't the Mariners trade for more bonus money in 2017 during the original Ohtani sweepstakes, only for him to sign with the Angels?

[G-Snarls]

46 minutes ago, Jonn said:

If acquiring Straw helps net you Roki you take the L on the money all day and never think twice. You don’t even have to roster him. 
 

Sometimes you have to do things you don’t want to do in order to land your big fish. Plenty of holes to fill. But almost nobody on the free agent market can impact the top of your rotation like Roki can.

Absolutely

Guardians wanted out of the contract and had less need for the pool money than we did

Nice arrangement if it works out

[Jays24]

So 2M is going to make a difference for Sasaki when he could just wait 2 years and get paid a 200M contract instead?  Its pretty obvious that money doesnt matter to him because no one's that stupid.  

Cleveland Indians fans jumping for joy with this move.  

[Scionz]

7 minutes ago, Jays24 said:

So 2M is going to make a difference for Sasaki when he could just wait 2 years and get paid a 200M contract instead?  Its pretty obvious that money doesnt matter to him because no one's that stupid.  

Cleveland Indians fans jumping for joy with this move.  

Money isn't the primary motivator for Sasaki, playing in the best in the league world is. That doesn't mean money isn't a motivating factor at all, and given that all the teams remaining are in the MLB and presumably provide the intangible things he is looking for it stands to reason that money could be a determining factor.

[Terminator]

1 minute ago, Scionz said:

Money isn't the primary motivator for Sasaki, playing in the best in the league world is. That doesn't mean money isn't a motivating factor at all, and given that all the teams remaining are in the MLB and presumably provide the intangible things he is looking for it stands to reason that money could be a determining factor.

Half the people on this board have no concept of money and think that once you have a million dollars anything more than that is just a frivolous and unnecessary waste that you wouldn't need or even use

[BB17]

1 hour ago, G-Snarls said:

Been thinking about this but haven't asked for an opinion. 

 

If you **do** sign Sasaki do you then try and trade Bassitt to bring payroll down and get something else you need in the process? 

Isn't he wanting a 6 man rotation where ever he goes? So I think you'd have to keep him in that scenario.

If he did sign with the Jays you probably could have some sort of a hybrid 5/6 man rotation with Rodriguez having 4 inning spot starts while also keeping Gauseman, Berrios and Bassit on a typical 5 day schedule.

[wilko]

8 minutes ago, Terminator said:

Half the people on this board have no concept of money and think that once you have a million dollars anything more than that is just a frivolous and unnecessary waste that you wouldn't need or even use

You think Latrell Sprewell, Shawn Kemp, Allen Iverson couldn't use some extra cash? 

[Jimcanuck]

3 minutes ago, BB17 said:

Isn't he wanting a 6 man rotation where ever he goes? So I think you'd have to keep him in that scenario.

If he did sign with the Jays you probably could have some sort of a hybrid 5/6 man rotation with Rodriguez having 4 inning spot starts while also keeping Gauseman, Berrios and Bassit on a typical 5 day schedule.

True but to run a 6 man rotation, regardless of how you do it, puts more pressure on pitching depth.  I think the Jays keep what they have is Sasaki signs.

[G-Snarls]

2 hours ago, Terminator said:

We are also getting cash from Cleveland

 Cleveland is covering $3.75MM of the money that is still owed to Straw. Per Zack Meisel of The Athletic, that will be $1MM in both 2025 and 2026, followed by $1.75MM after that.

[Pendleton]

2 minutes ago, G-Snarls said:

 Cleveland is covering $3.75MM of the money that is still owed to Straw. Per Zack Meisel of The Athletic, that will be $1MM in both 2025 and 2026, followed by $1.75MM after that.

I believe that 1.75M covers the cost of his buyout 

[G-Snarls]