General Blue Jays Discussion Thread (2025)

[Spanky__99]

4 minutes ago, John_Havok said:

Sorry bud. My Spanky-to-English translator must have been on the fritz for a minute. 

See, if you can't see that in the first post, I don't know what to say, lad.

[Terminator]

https://blogs.fangraphs.com/vladimir-guerrero-jr-is-getting-out-of-the-swing-of-things/

Article on Vlad swinging less than ever.

He's having a big second half.

If the team was hellbent on resigning him no matter what and the options were giving him the 500 mil or playing it out in FA, it was probably wise to extend him.

[BB17]

14 minutes ago, Terminator said:

https://blogs.fangraphs.com/vladimir-guerrero-jr-is-getting-out-of-the-swing-of-things/

Article on Vlad swinging less than ever.

He's having a big second half.

If the team was hellbent on resigning him no matter what and the options were giving him the 500 mil or playing it out in FA, it was probably wise to extend him.

I still don't see him getting close to that contract on the open market. It's great he's performing well and its not hard to see him putting up a few more 5-6 Win seasons but the questions about signing a 1B with a heavy physique to that long of a deal are still there. There's massive landmine risk with that deal no matter how good he is right now.

Also while you hope he's turned a new corner with his preparation, you hope he doesn't slack off in body wise now that he's got all that $. 

[jaysblue]

Wonder if the Jays decide to resign Bo and if he wants to stay here. Something to worry about in the offseason. 

Still think Bo gets what Adames got as a FA most likely. 

[Brownie19]

1 hour ago, Terminator said:

https://blogs.fangraphs.com/vladimir-guerrero-jr-is-getting-out-of-the-swing-of-things/

Article on Vlad swinging less than ever.

He's having a big second half.

If the team was hellbent on resigning him no matter what and the options were giving him the 500 mil or playing it out in FA, it was probably wise to extend him.

His wRC+ has gone up in every month this season.  213 wRC+ in the 2nd half so far (115 PAs).

Personally, I'm OK with the doll-hairs.  I think it was the right move to get him locked up before he hit free agency.  He still drives me nuts and I've never been able to be a big "fan" of his, but the guy is going to be an elite hitter for the foreseeable future IMO.

[Brownie19]

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I've seen these before. I'm not surprised the Jays have one.  I assume most teams do (all teams do?)

I guess it makes sense visiting teams don't get one. I don't think it's the primary reason the Jays aren't as good on the road as this guy suggests.  I wonder how valuable they really are!

 

 

[glory]

My biggest fear with the Vlad extension was that his best remaining years would be on teams that weren't going to be good. The 2025 season has helped changed that perception a bit. It's easier to envision a path to sustainable contention, even if it's WC contention, over the next few years than it was when he signed the contract in April. The team has gotten fortunate internal development that if sustainable is massive and their farm system outlook has improved. They will have money to spend this coming winter in an off-season where many teams may not spend due to the impending lockout and/or revenue uncertainty, and the market just happens to be very strong on the one thing the Jays absolutely need to be spending on (SP). The Jays can be buyers in the winter with a much better marketing position (Vlad extended and the team coming off a good 2025). If 2025 went the way many of us (me included) thought it would go, and they were selling at the deadline, then that would have changed everything. 

If the team is actually competitive for all/most of his remaining prime, then it becomes a lot easier to rationalize the cost.  

[Laika]

1 hour ago, jaysblue said:

Wonder if the Jays decide to resign Bo and if he wants to stay here. Something to worry about in the offseason. 

Still think Bo gets what Adames got as a FA most likely. 

Bo is now at -8 OAA and -10 DRS and -2.2 BsR.

His defense and athleticism are tanking as the season goes on. Kind of funny that his offense has picked up and solidified while the other parts of his game went down the tubes.

I don't think offense alone gets him the Adames contract. If his offensive profile was different sure but his swing tendencies could age like Javy Baez. 

I guess Marcus Semien signed as a 2B so he is also a comp. Almost the same contract as Adames. 

Both of those guys could boast defense and baserunning as assets though. 

It will be interesting. Hardest big FA to predict in a while. 

Other comps might be Javy Baez himself (6/$140m) or Trevor Story. They had offensive questions and approach questions, whereas Bo has massive defense and athleticism questions. 

If teams see him as a pure 2B or 3B with a risky long-term profile does he even get $140m? 

Maybe he should go short term and just bet on himself? 

[Laika]

15 minutes ago, Brownie19 said:

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4,376 likes, 84 comments - aaronbenrose on August 13, 2025: "The #BlueJays have been DOMINANT at home this season...

I've seen these before. I'm not surprised the Jays have one.  I assume most teams do (all teams do?)

I guess it makes sense visiting teams don't get one. I don't think it's the primary reason the Jays aren't as good on the road as this guy suggests.  I wonder how valuable they really are!

 

 

Probably everyone except the Rockies. Maybe not the Nats. 

The more current advancement is the Trajekt trailer that drives on the road with the team. I am sure the richer teams have that already. 

[glory]

1 hour ago, jaysblue said:

Wonder if the Jays decide to resign Bo and if he wants to stay here. Something to worry about in the offseason. 

Still think Bo gets what Adames got as a FA most likely. 

I could be wrong, but I don't think Bo's market is going to be that big. How many big market/spending teams need shortstops? The Dodgers are the only one I can think of, and Bo doesn't strike me as the type that they'd give a huge contract to. The Tigers will need a SS but they are pretty cheap, their best prospect is a SS in AA, and not sure they have an appetite to spend huge on a SS with Bo's profile given what happened with the Baez contract. The Yankees, Phillies, Red Sox, Cubs, Mets, Rangers, Padres, Angels, etc, are not going to be spending on shortstops. 

I think Bo on whatever contract he gets is going to age like milk left outside on a hot day, so I hope the Jays aren't the ones who give it to him, but if they wait out his market this winter and he becomes available on a shorter term deal due to lack of big money interest in him, then that wouldn't surprise me. 

[John_Havok]

37 minutes ago, Brownie19 said:

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4,376 likes, 84 comments - aaronbenrose on August 13, 2025: "The #BlueJays have been DOMINANT at home this season...

I've seen these before. I'm not surprised the Jays have one.  I assume most teams do (all teams do?)

I guess it makes sense visiting teams don't get one. I don't think it's the primary reason the Jays aren't as good on the road as this guy suggests.  I wonder how valuable they really are!

 

 

I posted a while back, they've started taking a smaller version of it on the road with them, sometime towards the start of July if I remember right. 

[jaysblue]

10 minutes ago, glory said:

I could be wrong, but I don't think Bo's market is going to be that big. How many big market/spending teams need shortstops? The Dodgers are the only one I can think of, and Bo doesn't strike me as the type that they'd give a huge contract to. The Tigers will need a SS but they are pretty cheap, their best prospect is a SS in AA, and not sure they have an appetite to spend huge on a SS with Bo's profile given what happened with the Baez contract. The Yankees, Phillies, Red Sox, Cubs, Mets, Rangers, Padres, Angels, etc, are not going to be spending on shortstops. 

I think Bo on whatever contract he gets is going to age like milk left outside on a hot day, so I hope the Jays aren't the ones who give it to him, but if they wait out his market this winter and he becomes available on a shorter term deal due to lack of big money interest in him, then that wouldn't surprise me. 

Braves could use a shortstop as well. 

Yeah Tigers won't spend big money on a player like Bo, especially if they attempt to resign Skubal to an extension. 

Will be interesting for sure. I think Laika above mentioned some other good comps if he got a multi-year deal from someone, or if his market is dry earlier on in the offseason, he might just have to settle for a one or two year deal. Given the Jays FO placing an emphasis on defense, maybe they have no intention of bringing back Bo on a big contract. 

[Brownie19]

I expect someone will pay Bo to play 2nd base next year.  He's a very valuable hitter and I would expect he's at least average defensively at 2nd.

[Orgfiller]

53 minutes ago, Brownie19 said:

I expect someone will pay Bo to play 2nd base next year.  He's a very valuable hitter and I would expect he's at least average defensively at 2nd.

2nd just also seems like a poor position for him since his biggest struggles are ranging to his right side. I feel like he's best suited for 3B next to an excellent SS partner with range like Gimenez? His arm strength has also cratered, but maybe if he spends the entire offseason on a throwing program he can get back to around average? It's easy to see his foot speed and athleticism declining, but surely he hasn't also blown out his arm at age 27 as he's getting beefier and stronger...right? Right?

[dineke]

Crazy how vlad has gotten into pretty good shape and bo became a fatty mcchonker. Who could have predicted that in their rookie year.

[Brownie19]

13 minutes ago, dineke said:

Crazy how vlad has gotten into pretty good shape and bo became a fatty mcchonker. Who could have predicted that in their rookie year.

I mean - Bo was never shredded and was often considered pudgy when he first came up.  Vlad's improved his body since he ballooned into a whale in 2020, but he's still thicker than you'd want him to be - but I do get your point. 

[Laika]

3rd percentile range
29th percentile arm
22nd percentile running

Is Bo Bichette.... a DH? 

Vlad is better at every measurement and has 3B experience so he's probably a better 3B option lmao. 

[Terminator]

5 hours ago, Terminator said:

https://blogs.fangraphs.com/vladimir-guerrero-jr-is-getting-out-of-the-swing-of-things/

Article on Vlad swinging less than ever.

He's having a big second half.

If the team was hellbent on resigning him no matter what and the options were giving him the 500 mil or playing it out in FA, it was probably wise to extend him.

Am I good or what?

[L54]

Vlad isn’t even fat and is way more athletic than the board gives him credit for 

[connorp2]

6 hours ago, BB17 said:

I still don't see him getting close to that contract on the open market. It's great he's performing well and its not hard to see him putting up a few more 5-6 Win seasons but the questions about signing a 1B with a heavy physique to that long of a deal are still there. There's massive landmine risk with that deal no matter how good he is right now.

Also while you hope he's turned a new corner with his preparation, you hope he doesn't slack off in body wise now that he's got all that $. 

It’s ok to be wrong about something and look bad. No need to double down. He gets that contract all day long. 

[glory]

Yeah Vlad actually works hard and seems to care about his performance. It’s easy to confuse because he’s not the smartest player, so you have to mix in base running mistakes and things like that, but he’s even gotten better in that area. Same with the body issues that plagued him early in his career, he seems to have turned that around as well. Vlad at his current contract is better than Bo at $200M, or whatever he will try to get on the open market.

[connorp2]

1 hour ago, Terminator said:

Am I good or what?

Pretend the Vlad to Indy Ball never happened? There’s not many regulars left to remember, so you have that going for you, 

[Terminator]

15 minutes ago, connorp2 said:

Pretend the Vlad to Indy Ball never happened? There’s not many regulars left to remember, so you have that going for you, 

I never joined that slanderous witch hunt.

Have a look for yourself: https://jayscentre.com/forums/topic/95733-vlad-jr-to-indy-ball/

Most of my posts in that thread were about my love for Swiss Chalet or protecting the board from a mentally ill poster by putting on my badge and Sherriff-ing him off into the sunset.

When I did discuss Vlad, it was to defend him except one time when I needled some AA fanboys who were trashing the idea of extending Vlad while at the same time longing for the return of AA, a GM who never met a young player he didn't want to extend.

[John_Havok]

50 minutes ago, L54 said:

Vlad isn’t even fat and is way more athletic than the board gives him credit for 

HEY, that's a half truth....

[Spanky__99]

5 hours ago, Laika said:

Probably everyone except the Rockies. Maybe not the Nats. 

The more current advancement is the Trajekt trailer that drives on the road with the team. I am sure the richer teams have that already. 

Yeah, Popkins asked for it.

[Spanky__99]

2 hours ago, Terminator said:

Am I good or what?

lol... I read that yesterday morning, I believe are boy Davy Andrews wrote about that topic on here earlier this year before he went to FG fulltime.

[Spanky__99]

1 hour ago, connorp2 said:

Pretend the Vlad to Indy Ball never happened? There’s not many regulars left to remember, so you have that going for you, 

[Spanky__99]

Springer DH'ing today 1-2 with a double and a BB 2 runs scored, I'm assuming he plays OF tomorrow and back on Friday.

Yesavage struggled with his command today, 1.2 IP 2 earnies, 1 hit 4BB and 3K's.

[Omar]

Guys Bo can't play 3b. His initial read and first step are terrible and you want to put him on the hot corner?  No way. That being said, teams will be lined up to pay for his bat in the off-season. 

[Omar]

Nothing you don't already know but fun to see others perspective of the team;