General Blue Jays Discussion Thread (2025)

[hanton]

Could be insurance incase Muncy goes down for an extended period of time

[infinitebook]

Bieber with 7 shut out innings and Springer with a home run today. 

[Terminator]

3 hours ago, hanton said:

Could be insurance incase Muncy goes down for an extended period of time

Or for your boy Freeland who is flopping like a fish. I tried telling ya :)

[Spanky__99]

14 hours ago, connorp2 said:

He gets that money and more. If you want to do semantics about the NTC that may give your opinion a tiny sliver of reality, fine.

Unlike those people that kind of feel the Blues every day, I can admit when I’m wrong. That’s always how it’s going to be. Right on some, wrong on others. 

I used to be high on Kirk and then just lost belief in him as a hitter, I was also wrong thinking Hoffman was a great signing. I also thought Greene was worth the risk. 

I have definitely been right about Vlad and very much hating Giménez and Santander deals. 
 

 

 

Royce Lewis

 

[G-Snarls]

4 hours ago, hanton said:

They can fix him!

[G-Snarls]

2 hours ago, infinitebook said:

Bieber with 7 shut out innings and Springer with a home run today. 

They are ready 

Muah ah ah ah ah

[hanton]

1 hour ago, Terminator said:

Or for your boy Freeland who is flopping like a fish. I tried telling ya :)

I get it, you're used to prospects failing.  

[BB17]

7 hours ago, max silver said:

Yeah that seems possible that both of Bo and Kirk are wearing down a bit. Bo tends to go through defensive slumps at times where he's bobbling more plays in the field so I'm confident he'll clean this up in time. In past seasons he tended to have a few games/weeks where he made a bunch of miscues in the field and then played slightly above average defense to allow the metrics to tick back up towards neutral. This season the diminished range in the field hasn't allowed the metrics to recover once he's emerged from the slump. I'm hoping that a healthy offseason to work on improving his explosiveness/athleticism at short stop can help to recover some of the lost range instead of needing to rehabilitate from leg injuries but that might be wishful thinking on my part. 

Yeah I think at his age it’s only going to get worse if I’m being honest. The body has gotten pretty heavy the last couple of years and his Dad was a pretty stocky guy as well so I think his days at SS are coming to an end. The question for me is can he even stay on the infield because his arm strength has completely evaporated. 

[Padapaxia]

If Bichette is gone after the season, the Blue Jays have some prospects like Parker and Nimmala to fill the position in a few years. But does Josh Kasevich have the ability to play SS for the big team for 2026?

 

[connorp2]

7 hours ago, Spanky__99 said:

Royce Lewis

 

If he doesn’t come back, like Kirk, I almost see it as a Penny Hardaway situation, for those of us old enough to understand the NBA reference. Except, over a much shorter “being good” window, The devastating injuries just happened early and often. 

[max silver]

7 hours ago, BB17 said:

Yeah I think at his age it’s only going to get worse if I’m being honest. The body has gotten pretty heavy the last couple of years and his Dad was a pretty stocky guy as well so I think his days at SS are coming to an end. The question for me is can he even stay on the infield because his arm strength has completely evaporated. 

Bo has plenty of arm strength to play second base and I don’t think his arm is too weak for short stop by any means, his issues stem more from issues getting to balls in the first place due to diminishing range. 

[Laika]

3 hours ago, Padapaxia said:

If Bichette is gone after the season, the Blue Jays have some prospects like Parker and Nimmala to fill the position in a few years. But does Josh Kasevich have the ability to play SS for the big team for 2026?

 

Could be an option but not the #1 option after his lost season 

[John_Havok]

5 hours ago, Padapaxia said:

If Bichette is gone after the season, the Blue Jays have some prospects like Parker and Nimmala to fill the position in a few years. But does Josh Kasevich have the ability to play SS for the big team for 2026?

 

More likely they shift Gimenez to short most days and try to fill 2b hole with either an internal platoon, or a trade/signing.

 

[Stangstag]

34 minutes ago, John_Havok said:

More likely they shift Gimenez to short most days and try to fill 2b hole with either an internal platoon, or a trade/signing.

 

Or they could fill 3B and have Ernie/Schneider handle 2B. Couple different ways to go about this.

[John_Havok]

4 minutes ago, Stangstag said:

Or they could fill 3B and have Ernie/Schneider handle 2B. Couple different ways to go about this.

I considered that, but... that leaves RF for Barger and DH stuffed with both Springer and Santander. Bit of a logjam in that case. 

It's probably gonna be a similar thing to this season where Barger, Clement, Schneider, Gimenez and 1 more guy get cycled through the 3 IF positions and RF depending on matchups. That seems to be the preferred method at the moment .. barring unforeseen trades of course. 

[Jays24]

We could lose Bo and easily upgrade him defensively with Barger at 3B, Gimenez at SS and Ernie at 2B.  Problem is we desperately that his bat in the middle of the order, I dont see that being replace unless we somehow land Tucker.  

[Laika]

3 minutes ago, Jays24 said:

We could lose Bo and easily upgrade him defensively with Barger at 3B, Gimenez at SS and Ernie at 2B.  Problem is we desperately that his bat in the middle of the order, I dont see that being replace unless we somehow land Tucker.  

Budget isn't going to go down after a first place season 

They can buy a bat 

[John_Havok]

2 minutes ago, Jays24 said:

We could lose Bo and easily upgrade him defensively with Barger at 3B, Gimenez at SS and Ernie at 2B.  Problem is we desperately that his bat in the middle of the order, I dont see that being replace unless we somehow land Tucker.  

And if you land Tucker, that means Springer or Santander has to go via trade or the DH spot gets jammed up. 

Not the worst of problems, but ... it is one. 

[glory]

If the same FO and manager is in place this winter, then it would take a literal bullet to stop Schneider from playing Clement everyday, so my guess is Clement at SS and Gimenez at 2B, or vice versa is the plan. Kinda intrigued by Kasevich as apparently he does hit the ball hard but just hasn't shown much power, so maybe Popkins can do something with that given the excellent contact rates. 

I think between Barger, Clement, Gimenez, and DS, they have 3B-SS-2B covered reasonably well if they wanted to go internal there and spend on an outfield upgrade. I don't think I'd want to trust Lukes duplicating 2025 moving forward given his age/profile, and not sure Joey is a full time player. I said before, if Atkins could build a player with a mold of clay, it would be Kwan, so I wonder if that's revisited this winter.

[Jays24]

23 minutes ago, John_Havok said:

And if you land Tucker, that means Springer or Santander has to go via trade or the DH spot gets jammed up. 

Not the worst of problems, but ... it is one. 

There is no problem having the DH spot jammed up as long as that hitter is worthy of it like we've seen this year.  Springer/Santandar split RF/DH, Tucker plays LF with Varsho at CF would actually be an upgrade.  

[John_Havok]

1 minute ago, Jays24 said:

There is no problem having the DH spot jammed up as long as that hitter is worthy of it like we've seen this year.  Springer/Santandar split RF/DH, Tucker plays LF with Varsho at CF would actually be an upgrade.  

You're putting Lukes on a full-time bench role then with a 110 wRC+ ?

Not saying that's wrong, just making sure you considered that

[Jays24]

32 minutes ago, John_Havok said:

You're putting Lukes on a full-time bench role then with a 110 wRC+ ?

Not saying that's wrong, just making sure you considered that

Technically it would be one of Clement/Lukes going to the bench in this scenario so you just gotta take your pick.  

[John_Havok]

8 minutes ago, Jays24 said:

Technically it would be one of Clement/Lukes going to the bench in this scenario so you just gotta take your pick.  

Not really taking your pick when Lukes doesn't play the IF at all the OF spots and DH spot is taken by your projected lineup. Again, not saying it's wrong..

[Funky]

2 hours ago, Stangstag said:

Or they could fill 3B and have Ernie/Schneider handle 2B. Couple different ways to go about this.

Is there any way Barger improves his defense enough to play 3B full time?  Would solve some problems.  

[Omar]

Lukes is primed to be traded this off season. His value will never be higher. Hate to see him go but business is business. 

[R.O.]

26 minutes ago, Funky said:

Is there any way Barger improves his defense enough to play 3B full time?  Would solve some problems.  

Barger is a +1 DRS at 3B, while he is a -6 DRS in RF

[Stangstag]

50 minutes ago, R.O. said:

Barger is a +1 DRS at 3B, while he is a -6 DRS in RF

That’s surprising 

[glory]

58 minutes ago, R.O. said:

Barger is a +1 DRS at 3B, while he is a -6 DRS in RF

They were playing Will Wagner at 3B and Barger in RF at certain points in the season. Didn't understand it at the time, and still don't. 

[BB17]

19 hours ago, R.O. said:

Barger is a +1 DRS at 3B, while he is a -6 DRS in RF

And Barger's arm has been worth 3 runs in RF so his range is borderline non playable there. He seems way better at 3B even if his range/glove are below average.

[BB17]

On 8/16/2025 at 7:33 AM, max silver said:

Bo has plenty of arm strength to play second base and I don’t think his arm is too weak for short stop by any means, his issues stem more from issues getting to balls in the first place due to diminishing range. 

His arm seems pretty weak this year. He can't really plant and fire deep in the hole. But yeah his range also has been quite bad and given his weakness going to his right 2B doesn't seem like a good spot.