General Blue Jays Discussion Thread (2025)

[Terminator]

6 minutes ago, Brownie19 said:

Is it?  Typically that cup of coffee takes 5-8 years in the minors where they make next to nothing, riding the buses in little sh*tholes around America.  Plus the cost of all the travel ball, college ball, training, etc. it took to even get drafted.

 

Since the other leagues offer zero dollars for anyone less than a 3 year vet I'd say that yes it is good.

This whole conversation started because you and max were saying how the MLBPA doesn't look out for the little guys compared to other leagues and then expanded the convo to society on the whole. Only to then suggest that MLBPA give the owners a salary cap lol

6 minutes ago, Brownie19 said:

The cost to get to the ML level is insane.  It's costing me $15K+ per year for my son to play U15 elite ball in Ontario FFS and he isn't going anywhere.

That is insane but that's your own damn fault lol. Leave Bryce Harper out of it.

[Brownie19]

Term - just to clarify, I didn't do all those things you suggest (max may have). It's a complicated discussion and one I'm certainly not educated enough on the topic to provide much.  I do believe wealth distribution is a major issue in society, but know that humans are inherently greedy and that won't change anytime soon.  I also think there's an angle beyond the $$$'s that could improve the on-field product that needs to be considered to some extent.

And yes - it's my own fault, but I'm able to float it and there's something about a boy chasing his dreams that I feel is important to support.  I do get to coach him and it allows us to spend lots of time together still, which is a major benefit.  My point was that the road to the show is often REALLY expensive and getting there, even for just 43 days is a major accomplishment (and yes, I think it's great MLB does it after 43 days - other league should follow).  I'd like to see more money funneled from super rich owners and players to help compensate those guys a little more.  I think they should make a living wage at least.

[mphenhef]

59 minutes ago, Terminator said:

MLBPA does a good job and it's the best player union by far.

Bryce Harper is completely right and I love that he told Manfred off. Anyone who supports a salary cap is taking the side of the billionaire owners over the millionaire players (the ones who actually have the talent to entertain us all) and the idea that a salary cap somehow helps out the mid and lower tier players is wrong.

Correct me if I am wrong, but doesn't a smaller portion of the revenues go to MLB players than in any of the leagues with caps? 

I personally am against a cap as I think it won't do anything to help competitive balance.  Players want to play in places like LA and New York and will take less money (and hence a smaller portion of the cap ) to play in those markets where they can make a ton of money off the field.  The imbalance in state taxes would also be accentuated with a cap.  

[mphenhef]

Steph curry is making more next year than the active payrolls of 5 MLB teams this year for instance.

[John_Havok]

2 hours ago, mphenhef said:

Steph curry is making more next year than the active payrolls of 5 MLB teams this year for instance.

Unfortunately, comparing salaries from the NBA to... virtually any other sport is an apples to oranges scenario.

What do they have... 15 man rosters plus 3 more on 2 way deals maximum? 

[AMS528]

Vlad definitely deserves credit for improving the baserunning and fielding this year. He's giving himself a better floor, and now that he's shown a bit more power the last couple of weeks, he's tracking for a 4.5 WAR season. He gets hot and it's a 5 WAR season, he is only ok the rest of the way maybe it's a 4 WAR season. Like others have said nothing to complain about here. Especially if he hits 5 WAR. 

[BatFlip]

38 minutes ago, AMS528 said:

Vlad definitely deserves credit for improving the baserunning and fielding this year. He's giving himself a better floor, and now that he's shown a bit more power the last couple of weeks, he's tracking for a 4.5 WAR season. He gets hot and it's a 5 WAR season, he is only ok the rest of the way maybe it's a 4 WAR season. Like others have said nothing to complain about here. Especially if he hits 5 WAR. 

That's totally fair, but on a 14 year $500M contract he's being paid to stack up the WAR in his younger seasons because the back end won't be pretty.

You're 100% right though, he's deserves some credit for working on fielding and being less boneheaded on the bases.  Hopefully it sticks moving forward.

 

[Nexii]

51 minutes ago, AMS528 said:

Vlad definitely deserves credit for improving the baserunning and fielding this year. He's giving himself a better floor, and now that he's shown a bit more power the last couple of weeks, he's tracking for a 4.5 WAR season. He gets hot and it's a 5 WAR season, he is only ok the rest of the way maybe it's a 4 WAR season. Like others have said nothing to complain about here. Especially if he hits 5 WAR. 

He's been somewhat unlucky which WAR doesn't account for. Pure talent its been a 5-6 WAR pace.

[John_Havok]

4 hours ago, BatFlip said:

That's totally fair, but on a 14 year $500M contract he's being paid to stack up the WAR in his younger seasons because the back end won't be pretty.

You're 100% right though, he's deserves some credit for working on fielding and being less boneheaded on the bases.  Hopefully it sticks moving forward.

 

He doesnt have to play like a 500 million dollar guy till next year. This year hes just has 30 million dollar schlubb expectations.

[mphenhef]

5 hours ago, John_Havok said:

Unfortunately, comparing salaries from the NBA to... virtually any other sport is an apples to oranges scenario.

What do they have... 15 man rosters plus 3 more on 2 way deals maximum? 

It is still one player making more than 26 players combined on 5 teams this year.

[John_Havok]

2 minutes ago, mphenhef said:

It is still one player making more than 26 players combined on 5 teams this year.

Which they can afford to do given they have more revenue and less than half the players to pay it too, and usually between 3-5 players who actually matter. 

[max silver]

16 hours ago, John_Havok said:

He doesnt have to play like a 500 million dollar guy till next year. This year hes just has 30 million dollar schlubb expectations.

I believe Vlad is actually making something like $48 million total this season when you factor in the bonus.

[John_Havok]

The Blue Jays announced that they have selected the contract of infielder Buddy Kennedy. In a corresponding move, catcher Ali Sánchez has been designated for assignment. The 40-man roster remains full.

Sánchez was selected to the roster a little over a week ago when Alejandro Kirk landed on the seven-day concussion-related injured list. Kirk was reinstated on Sunday but Tyler Heineman had been removed from Saturday’s contest after being struck by a foul ball. The Jays decided to keep all three catchers for a few days to buy some time as they evaluated Heineman.

[Brownie19]

I suspect this corresponding move to DFA Sanchez is one of the main reasons we acquired Brandon Valenzuela...

[John_Havok]

10 minutes ago, Brownie19 said:

I suspect this corresponding move to DFA Sanchez is one of the main reasons we acquired Brandon Valenzuela...

Sanchez has already been DFA'd once this year and cleared waivers in June, Valenzuela could be an insurance policy if he does get claimed this time I suppose. 

[AMS528]

Having stared at Vlads statcast page all year, it's now at the point where even the launch angle is league average and every single other thing is very good to elite. His process numbers are elite, what happens when the ball hits the bat is elite. The results are the only thing somewhat lagging, and I really don't think there's anything besides bad luck to blame it on. 

Edit: Jesus sorry no idea why the image is so large. 

[Brownie19]

A massive Vlad hot streak from here on out would be incredible for this team, in what's already been one of the most enjoyable in recent memory.

[jaysthebest]

26 minutes ago, AMS528 said:

Having stared at Vlads statcast page all year, it's now at the point where even the launch angle is league average and every single other thing is very good to elite. His process numbers are elite, what happens when the ball hits the bat is elite. The results are the only thing somewhat lagging, and I really don't think there's anything besides bad luck to blame it on. 

Edit: Jesus sorry no idea why the image is so large. 

I thought Vladdy had an above league average OAA this season. When did it become sub-average?

[AMS528]

42 minutes ago, jaysthebest said:

I thought Vladdy had an above league average OAA this season. When did it become sub-average?

I think I saw it change beginning of last month, but for a 1B, comparing him to the other qualified guys this year he's basically right in the middle really, tied for 10th out of the 21 qualified guys this year. Will gladly take that. 

Also DRS absolutely loves him which is why his bWAR is much higher. 

[hanton]

LA coming up, should be an exciting series...

 

Scherzer vs Kershaw  (Kobe Bryant bobblehead day)

Bassitt vs Snell

Lauer vs Yamamoto

 

-Muncy is back hitting bombs

-Betts struggling

-team lacks a true closer

[Spanky__99]

5 hours ago, AMS528 said:

Having stared at Vlads statcast page all year, it's now at the point where even the launch angle is league average and every single other thing is very good to elite. His process numbers are elite, what happens when the ball hits the bat is elite. The results are the only thing somewhat lagging, and I really don't think there's anything besides bad luck to blame it on. 

Edit: Jesus sorry no idea why the image is so large. 

He's a beast blinded by money that *ownership gave him* The process would've been better had Atkins been involved, it's time to move on, ownership will spend, period.

[GoBlue41]

Next 9 games are going to be tough (LAD, Chi, Tex). As a realistic fan, what is an outcome that we should feel comfortable and happy with?

5-4??  This seems pretty realistic and I think I would be pretty happy with it. Am I selling the Jays short or am I drinking too much of the kool-aid?? What should we as fans realistically be hoping for during this tough 9 game stretch? 

[John_Havok]

35 minutes ago, GoBlue41 said:

Next 9 games are going to be tough (LAD, Chi, Tex). As a realistic fan, what is an outcome that we should feel comfortable and happy with?

5-4??  This seems pretty realistic and I think I would be pretty happy with it. Am I selling the Jays short or am I drinking too much of the kool-aid?? What should we as fans realistically be hoping for during this tough 9 game stretch? 

Kinda hit the nail on the head there. 5-4 would be about the minimum you'd want to see. Basically the equivalent of winning 2 of the 3 series without a sweep either way

[bronson44]

42 minutes ago, GoBlue41 said:

Next 9 games are going to be tough (LAD, Chi, Tex). As a realistic fan, what is an outcome that we should feel comfortable and happy with?

5-4??  This seems pretty realistic and I think I would be pretty happy with it. Am I selling the Jays short or am I drinking too much of the kool-aid?? What should we as fans realistically be hoping for during this tough 9 game stretch? 

I'd be okay with that. Just stay over 500 on the road and take care of business at home.

[Laika]

Top 5 offense

Best defensive team in baseball 

[mphenhef]

19 hours ago, Brownie19 said:

A massive Vlad hot streak from here on out would be incredible for this team, in what's already been one of the most enjoyable in recent memory.

I'm also willing to take the heater in October

[John_Havok]

Records set during the Rockies series...

The Blue Jays’ 63 hits were the most by a single team in the Modern Era (since 1901)

Toronto outscored Colorado, 45-6. This is the second-largest run differential between teams in a three-game series since 1901. It’s just one shy of the record (40), set by the Brooklyn Superbas against the Cincinnati Reds 124 years ago

Toronto’s 45 runs were the most scored by a Major League team in a three-game series since the 2019 Cubs scored 47 (Sept. 13-15, 2019 vs. Pittsburgh)

The 39-run differential ties the sixth highest in a series of three games or fewer in MLB history, per Elias

The 1901 Brooklyn Superbas series (from above) was the last instance of a differential of 40 or more runs in a three-game series. It’s been a while!

Toronto had 40 more hits than Colorado, which is the biggest hit differential in a three-game series since 1900, per Elias

[jmomcc]

16 hours ago, GoBlue41 said:

Next 9 games are going to be tough (LAD, Chi, Tex). As a realistic fan, what is an outcome that we should feel comfortable and happy with?

5-4??  This seems pretty realistic and I think I would be pretty happy with it. Am I selling the Jays short or am I drinking too much of the kool-aid?? What should we as fans realistically be hoping for during this tough 9 game stretch? 

I'd be happy with 5-4. Two series wins and a loss would be fine to good. 

[G-Snarls]

7 minutes ago, jmomcc said:

I'd be happy with 5-4. Two series wins and a loss would be fine to good. 

Conveniently, Yankees and Red Sox play good teams Astros and Padres this weekend 

[John_Havok]

Jays ahve the most series sweeps this season so far... with 9