2024 Trade Deadline

[Brownie19]

I understand haha.

 

It's from a good baseball friend of mine and he doesn't BS, so one of the few I trust. He's also in a couple of baseball circles as well and has even worked at the Rogers Centre before.

 

But yeah, anything can emerge leading up to the deadline. If a team comes in with a very strong offer for someone like Bo or Bassitt or Gausman or Berrios, I'm sure Shapiro considers and would pull the trigger. I guess one of the positives to take away is that the Blue Jays plan as of this moment isn't to completely blow the whole thing up and they plan on giving it another shot in 2025 with the core they have under control. They definitely will be moving expiring contracts from the sounds of it, rather than players still with control.

 

Why do you see that as a positive? I'm not sure I'm very supportive of this.

 

I do wonder if this direction of only selling expiring contracts is simply because they want the new GM (to be named after the season) to be the one make the decisions on Gausman, Bo, Vlad, Bassitt, Berrios, etc...

[Brownie19]

"It doesn't make sense for us to trade Bo or Vladdy right now."

Ross Atkins

 

That is text book public speaking. Right now could mean several things, including absolutely nothing, as "right now" is technically past as soon as you say it.

[BatFlip]

I can see them moving Bo before Vlad.

 

Bassitt I would trade if overpayment. Pretty good chance they could get it. Replace him in free agency this winter.

 

While I agree with you, I also find it kind of humorous how easy everyone seems to think it is to get a reliable innings eater in FA (that isn't an ancient or broken arm) at a reasonable price.

[Omar]

That is text book public speaking. Right now could mean several things, including absolutely nothing, as "right now" is technically past as soon as you say it.

 

Yeah, that's why I posted it friendo.

[Terminator]

Have you ever been in the CEOs box before? Just curious.

 

Yes I have. A very drunk Ed Rogers will spill the beans on everything.

 

He personally told me that John Gibbons would hold arm wrestling matches to fill out the final spots in his lineup. Zeke Carrera spent all offseason training his right bicep and practicing his technique and was surprisingly good at arm wrestling. That's why he was batting leadoff in the playoffs in '15.

 

I didn't relay it to the board at the time because I didn't think anyone would believe me.

 

Unfortunately, I am no longer welcome in the CEO box after having one too many and making some totally harmless and benign comments to Ed's wife Suzy who apparently can't take a joke OR a compliment. But it's good to know that we have other sources inside the CEO box now.

[wilko]

Yes I have. A very drunk Ed Rogers will spill the beans on everything.

 

He personally told me that John Gibbons would hold arm wrestling matches to fill out the final spots in his lineup. Zeke Carrera spent all offseason training his right bicep and practicing his technique and was surprisingly good at arm wrestling. That's why he was batting leadoff in the playoffs in '15.

 

I didn't relay it to the board at the time because I didn't think anyone would believe me.

 

Unfortunately, I am no longer welcome in the CEO box after having one too many and making some totally harmless and benign comments to Ed's wife Suzy who apparently can't take a joke OR a compliment. But it's good to know that we have other sources inside the CEO box now.

 

Thanks for that insider information. I have a similar story.. My cousin is a custodian at the Jays front office, and a few days ago while he was cleaning Ross' office he noticed a crumpled up piece of paper in the trash. It said: "Why does Bo hate me? What did I do wrong? Should we trade him for Jizz Jazz Chisholm? Can I blame Schneider for this? Ask temp summer student to find out if Cito Gaston is still alive."

[Brownie19]

Yes I have. A very drunk Ed Rogers will spill the beans on everything.

 

He personally told me that John Gibbons would hold arm wrestling matches to fill out the final spots in his lineup. Zeke Carrera spent all offseason training his right bicep and practicing his technique and was surprisingly good at arm wrestling. That's why he was batting leadoff in the playoffs in '15.

 

I didn't relay it to the board at the time because I didn't think anyone would believe me.

 

Unfortunately, I am no longer welcome in the CEO box after having one too many and making some totally harmless and benign comments to Ed's wife Suzy who apparently can't take a joke OR a compliment. But it's good to know that we have other sources inside the CEO box now.

 

are her tits real?

[jaysblue]

Why do you see that as a positive? I'm not sure I'm very supportive of this.

 

I do wonder if this direction of only selling expiring contracts is simply because they want the new GM (to be named after the season) to be the one make the decisions on Gausman, Bo, Vlad, Bassitt, Berrios, etc...

 

In terms of optics, selling off everything looks bad and would impact ticket sales, which is something Rogers probably doesn't want anyways. As well, that would mean 2025 would be a tough season to watch and it's not like the Jays have a promising farm system where they have position players and pitchers knocking on the door. Still would have to fill out the roster with FA signings.

 

Also, not the best time to trade Bo anyways given his value is at its lowest. Best to hope he bounces back in 2025 so he can either help the Jays on the field or increases his trade value more at next years deadline.

 

I think with a very proactive and creative offseason, the Jays could still be competitive in 2025. They still have decent pieces and Vladdy/Bo are both in contract years. Just can't keep the status quo and think this core is good enough. Need to add.

 

I think Shapiro definitely is more hands on now in regards to the roster management. I think Atkins is a lame duck and is likely gone at the end of the season, so Shapiro is likely going to be the one calling the shots at the trade deadline.

[Stangstag]

While I agree with you, I also find it kind of humorous how easy everyone seems to think it is to get a reliable innings eater in FA (that isn't an ancient or broken arm) at a reasonable price.

 

Sean Manaea for 2/28

Jack Flaherty for 1/14

Seth Lugo for 3/45

Eric Fedde for 2/15

Luis Severino for 1/13

Sonny Gray for 3/75

Michael Wacha for 2/32

Lance Lynn for 1/11

Kyle Gibson for 1/13

Reynaldo Lopez for 3/30

 

That's plenty of great short-term deals for starting pitchers. Now, I get that not all of these pitchers fall under the "reliable innings-eater" category, but I think there's more than enough deals out there that could replace Chris Bassitt quite easily. Especially if you expect Bassitt's numbers to start declining soon.

 

Don't forget, Berrios was supposed to be a "reliable" innings-eater too, yet the numbers he posted in 2022 and now 2024 are putrid.

[Stangstag]

In terms of optics, selling off everything looks bad and would impact ticket sales, which is something Rogers probably doesn't want anyways. As well, that would mean 2025 would be a tough season to watch and it's not like the Jays have a promising farm system where they have position players and pitchers knocking on the door. Still would have to fill out the roster with FA signings.

 

Also, not the best time to trade Bo anyways given his value is at its lowest. Best to hope he bounces back in 2025 so he can either help the Jays on the field or increases his trade value more at next years deadline.

 

I think with a very proactive and creative offseason, the Jays could still be competitive in 2025. They still have decent pieces and Vladdy/Bo are both in contract years. Just can't keep the status quo and think this core is good enough. Need to add.

 

I think Shapiro definitely is more hands on now in regards to the roster management. I think Atkins is a lame duck and is likely gone at the end of the season, so Shapiro is likely going to be the one calling the shots at the trade deadline.

 

I'd trade Bassitt before i'd trade Vladdy or Bo. Its not such a bad thing to have 2 big players in a walk-year, maybe give them something to work harder for. Bo's value has to be at its absolute lowest right now. Doesn't really make sense to move him.

[Omar]

Yes I have. A very drunk Ed Rogers will spill the beans on everything.

 

He personally told me that John Gibbons would hold arm wrestling matches to fill out the final spots in his lineup. Zeke Carrera spent all offseason training his right bicep and practicing his technique and was surprisingly good at arm wrestling. That's why he was batting leadoff in the playoffs in '15.

 

I didn't relay it to the board at the time because I didn't think anyone would believe me.

 

Unfortunately, I am no longer welcome in the CEO box after having one too many and making some totally harmless and benign comments to Ed's wife Suzy who apparently can't take a joke OR a compliment. But it's good to know that we have other sources inside the CEO box now.

 

I believe all of this except the Zeke Carrera bit. There is no way Zeke could beat Justin Smoak in an arm wrestling contest. No way. I'm calling ******** Term.

[Omar]

are her tits real?

 

Something about having the best rack in the Rogers Center.

[glory]

I'd trade Bassitt before i'd trade Vladdy or Bo. Its not such a bad thing to have 2 big players in a walk-year, maybe give them something to work harder for. Bo's value has to be at its absolute lowest right now. Doesn't really make sense to move him.

 

I am completely on the "trade Bo" bandwagon, but if there's any player on the 2025 team that will bust his ass next season, it's him. Dude has been waiting for free agency for years it feels like. He'll put in the work. Whether he's any good remains to be seen.

[BatFlip]

Sean Manaea for 2/28

Jack Flaherty for 1/14

Seth Lugo for 3/45

Eric Fedde for 2/15

Luis Severino for 1/13

Sonny Gray for 3/75

Michael Wacha for 2/32

Lance Lynn for 1/11

Kyle Gibson for 1/13

Reynaldo Lopez for 3/30

 

That's plenty of great short-term deals for starting pitchers. Now, I get that not all of these pitchers fall under the "reliable innings-eater" category, but I think there's more than enough deals out there that could replace Chris Bassitt quite easily. Especially if you expect Bassitt's numbers to start declining soon.

 

Don't forget, Berrios was supposed to be a "reliable" innings-eater too, yet the numbers he posted in 2022 and now 2024 are putrid.

 

I don't disagree that there are enough possible signings to plug a non-putrid arm in the rotation or one with upside. However, replacing him with a somewhat predictable arm (decent track record, decent age, not coming off a major injury) that can plug innings (180-200IP) is no easy task and doesn't typically come cheap.

 

As you said, many of these pitchers wouldn't be considered as 'reliable' or have the same track record as Bassitt, and some are clearly on the wrong side of their career (Lynn, Gibson). Others might not be interested in signing with Toronto.

 

It's not 'easy' replacing Bassitt, but I'm on the same page. Sell, sell, sell, if you can get premium value for him.

[L54]

Trading Bassitt / Kikuchi to contenders that need pitching can immediately make the Jays better in 2025 (e.g. Vargas from the Dodgers). Then just sign FA pitchers to replace them.

 

Bassitt in particular is getting close to the cliff.

 

This is the way

[Carlos Danger]

This is the way

 

[Sorrow]

I can say with absolute certainty that the Jays have been discussing Bassitt, Bichette, Berrios and Guerrero trades and that while none are likely the irons are in the fire.

 

Don't be surprised if Jansen and Kikuchi are dealt as a package. My next door neighbours brother is a member of the Brewers front office and they've had scouts at Jays games recently as well - not really sure what they'd been looking for off our roster as I don't know their roster well. NL West teams (plural) have been asking about Bichette for a while and AL teams have been inquiring on Guerrero with the resurgence this season.

[wilko]

 

[G-Snarls]

This is the way

 

[jaysblue]

I'd trade Bassitt before i'd trade Vladdy or Bo. Its not such a bad thing to have 2 big players in a walk-year, maybe give them something to work harder for. Bo's value has to be at its absolute lowest right now. Doesn't really make sense to move him.

 

Yeah I'm not really opposed to moving Bassitt in comparison to Vladdy, Bo, and Gausman. You can sign a similar FA arm in the offseason to replace Bassitt. If you can get something of value for him now, should do it because he might turn into a pumpkin at next years deadline and won't be worth much at all.

[Jimcanuck]

No guarantee a 36 yr old Bassitt will be a reliable innings eater in 2025. The risk is too high, trade him now.

[John_Havok]

No guarantee a 36 yr old Bassitt will be a reliable innings eater in 2025. The risk is too high, trade him now.

 

As long as there's a good enough return, sure

[L54]

No guarantee a 36 yr old Bassitt will be a reliable innings eater in 2025. The risk is too high, trade him now.

 

Agreed. Fully onboard moving Bassitt and the three expiring pitchers. Demand will be high

[Stangstag]

No guarantee a 36 yr old Bassitt will be a reliable innings eater in 2025. The risk is too high, trade him now.

 

Agreed

[mikepelfrey]

I can say with absolute certainty that the Jays have been discussing Bassitt, Bichette, Berrios and Guerrero trades and that while none are likely the irons are in the fire.

 

Don't be surprised if Jansen and Kikuchi are dealt as a package. My next door neighbours brother is a member of the Brewers front office and they've had scouts at Jays games recently as well - not really sure what they'd been looking for off our roster as I don't know their roster well. NL West teams (plural) have been asking about Bichette for a while and AL teams have been inquiring on Guerrero with the resurgence this season.

Thanks for the info, it make sense. No GM worth their salt doesnt do their due diligence this time of year, it is after all their livelihood and it is in their best interest to be informed. But it’s nice to know when someone is in a position to give a bit more detail. Keep us informed when you hear anything else.

 

I’m sure the board agrees

[mikepelfrey]

Yeah I'm not really opposed to moving Bassitt in comparison to Vladdy, Bo, and Gausman. You can sign a similar FA arm in the offseason to replace Bassitt. If you can get something of value for him now, should do it because he might turn into a pumpkin at next years deadline and won't be worth much at all.

Yeah it’s reminiscent of the old branch Rickey quote: “it’s better to trade a player one year too soon, than to trade him one year too late”

 

It’s just smart baseball.

[mikepelfrey]

Yeah I'm not really opposed to moving Bassitt in comparison to Vladdy, Bo, and Gausman. You can sign a similar FA arm in the offseason to replace Bassitt. If you can get something of value for him now, should do it because he might turn into a pumpkin at next years deadline and won't be worth much at all.

Yeah it’s reminiscent of the old branch Rickey quote: “it’s better to trade a player one year too soon, than to trade him one year too late”

 

It’s just smart baseball.

[John_Havok]

Yeah it’s reminiscent of the old branch Rickey quote: “it’s better to trade a player one year too soon, than to trade him one year too late”

 

It’s just smart baseball.

 

He also said "out of quantity comes quality"

 

And if your look at a lot of his trades....he didn't really come out very well. In fact, a guy did go back and look at all the trades he could that Rickey made, he came out 311 bWAR in the hole and seems he made a lot of trades just to pocket the money involved.

[Joltin Joe]

My source isn't a lower level employee.

 

One of my friends brother-in-law is family friends with the Rogers CEO and has gone to a lot of Jays games this season in the boxes. Shapiro came in one game and he overheard him talking with the CEO.

 

Sure there is still the possibility that the the Jays out of nowhere move Bo or someone like Gausman, but that isn't in the plans at this time. Things could change obviously and something unexpected could definitely pop up closer to the deadline.

 

No guarantee a 36 yr old Bassitt will be a reliable innings eater in 2025. The risk is too high, trade him now.

Morosi said other night Orioles looking for a starter. They have deep farm system. We could be good match.

 

Get a good prospect for Bassitt. Another for Bo and another for Kikuchi/Jansen combo gives three high end prospects. Also frees up 50 million to work with this winter

[MikeM3]

I don't think Bassitt moves the needle for immediate contenders. Probably wouldn't be a game 3 starter or impact RP. More of a guy that gets you there over 162