The Ship is Sinking

[Eat My Shatkins]

Hahaha

[jaysblue]

 

This season is so bad that Vlad has even changed his tune on playing for the Yankees. Kill me.

 

I wouldn't want him playing for the Yankees. Knowing the Jays luck, he turns into a 50-60 HR player in pinstripes.

[max silver]

I wouldn't want him playing for the Yankees. Knowing the Jays luck, he turns into a 50-60 HR player in pinstripes.

 

Surrounded by two other elite talents in Judge and Soto would likely allow Vlad to unlock his full potential and would be an absolute nightmare scenario. The short porch in right field would allow him to shoot a bunch of home runs to right field as well.

[John_Havok]

 

This season is so bad that Vlad has even changed his tune on playing for the Yankees. Kill me.

 

He said he would never sign with the Yankees, not never play for them. If he gets traded he has no choice.

[L54]

Extend Vlad

[Spanky99]

Take a closer look Spanky according to bleacher report, the Blue Jays have 2 tier B prospects no other team in the major leagues has less than three since the callup of barger and Martinez and teidemans injury.

 

The Red Sox have 3 tier 2 and 3 tier 1 prospects

The Rays have 2 tier 2 and 4 tier 1 prospects

The Yankees have 2 tier 2 and 5 tier 1 prospects

The Orioles have 2 tier 2 and 5 tier 1 prospects

 

So the blue jays minor league system right now sucks and Shatkins is not the one anyone with half a brain would choose to restock it. And that’s the point. And I’m not the only one here saying it.

 

And as I said the same people who ranked the jays for 2024, say as they prepare for their 2025 ranking that the jays, with their recent callups, would rank 30th. They have no axe to grind, they’re just analyzing the data, and it speaks volumes

 

That's not how this works.

[Ray]

One thing I’ve noticed since Atkins became GM is that we rarely get poached of front office personnel when other teams are looking to fill GM roles. Even being mentioned in any rumours. Ben Cherington left to become GM of the Pirates, but the Jays were clearly a stopgap for him until he found another GM opening.

 

Meanwhile, Shapiro had a track record of absolutely elite hiring when it came to front office executives who are some heavy hitters during his time in Cleveland. These are all people he hired as interns for the Guardians:

 

- Mike Chernoff and Chris Antonetti (Guardians GM and PoBo)

- Derek Falvey (Twins PoBo)

- Carter Hawkins (Cubs GM)

- David Stearns (Mets PoBo)

- Mike Hazen (Dbacks GM)

 

Unfortunately we haven’t had the same success with developing front office talent as well as on field

Edited June 26, 2024 by Ray

[mikepelfrey]

We'll see how Macko does to determine the overall trade, but still to this day I never was really a big fan of the Teo for Swanson deal. Blue Jays shouldn't have had to trade an everyday player for a 29-year-old middle reliever. Relievers are volatile to begin with. Swanson now is rotting in AAA and looks like he's toast.

 

There was a lot of risk with signing Green given his previous injury and age, though had no issue with them taking on that risk/reward as long as that money didn't tie them down from signing other players.

The jays have history of trading for mediocre relievers

 

Donaldson for Julian Merryweather

Stroman for Anthony Kay

Almidys Diaz for Trent Thornton

Russell Martin for Andrew Sopko

 

Macko still has time but the results so far aren’t promising

Edited June 26, 2024 by mikepelfrey

[Laika]

One thing I’ve noticed since Atkins became GM is that we rarely get poached of front office personnel when other teams are looking to fill GM roles. Even being mentioned in any rumours. Ben Cherington left to become GM of the Pirates, but the Jays were clearly a stopgap for him until he found another GM opening.

 

Meanwhile, Shapiro had a track record of absolutely elite hiring when it came to front office executives who are some heavy hitters during his time in Cleveland. These are all people he hired as interns for the Guardians:

 

- Mike Chernoff and Chris Antonetti (Guardians GM and PoBo)

- Derek Falvey (Twins PoBo)

- Carter Hawkins (Cubs GM)

- David Stearns (Mets Piano)

- Mike Haden (Dbacks GM)

 

Unfortunately we haven’t had the same success with developing front office talent as well as on field

 

It's really s*****

 

Maybe Shapiro needs to be... more involved in the baseball side?

[Spanky99]

The jays have history of trading for mediocre relievers

 

Donaldson for Julian Merryweather

Stroman for Anthony Kay

Almidys Diaz for Trent Thornton

Russell Martin for Andrew Sopko

 

Macko still has time but the results so far aren’t promising

 

lol... this guy's so disingenuous.

[mikepelfrey]

lol... this guy's so disingenuous.

 

Yeah right says the guy who loved the Gurriel and Moreno for Varsho trade, how’s that working out for you Spanky? Do you still feel the Blue Jays won that trade too?

 

You keep defending Shatkins

 

The longer you do it the dumber you look

[Spanky99]

Yeah right says the guy who loved the Gurriel and Moreno for Varsho trade, how’s that working out for you Spanky? Do you still feel the Blue Jays won that trade too?

 

You keep defending Shatkins

 

The longer you do it the dumber you look

 

Hey, you're learning, you put all the players in a trade, babysteps. Trade was fine, lol.

[Eat My Shatkins]

Yeah right says the guy who loved the Gurriel and Moreno for Varsho trade, how’s that working out for you Spanky? Do you still feel the Blue Jays won that trade too?

 

You keep defending Shatkins

 

The longer you do it the dumber you look

 

Seeing as how Varsho is out WARing Moreno and Gurriel combined, for a fraction of the cost, I'd say yes, the Jays indeed won that trade.

[mikepelfrey]

lol... this guy's so disingenuous.

 

So says the guy who loved the Gurriel and Moreno for Varsho deal you even went so far as to say it was a steal for the blue jays. How’s that working out for you? Spanky.

 

The only disingenuous one is you.

[mikepelfrey]

Seeing as how Varsho is out WARing Moreno and Gurriel combined, for a fraction of the cost, I'd say yes, the Jays indeed won that trade.

 

That’s funny because WAR isn’t everything Gurriel is leading in batting average by 50 points, leading in RBI by 20% and that’s not even counting Gabriel Moreno. By the time the season is over, I wouldn’t be surprised if Varsho was under .200. But believe what you want.

[Spanky99]

Yeah right says the guy who loved the Gurriel and Moreno for Varsho trade, how’s that working out for you Spanky? Do you still feel the Blue Jays won that trade too?

 

You keep defending Shatkins

 

The longer you do it the dumber you look

 

So says the guy who loved the Gurriel and Moreno for Varsho deal you even went so far as to say it was a steal for the blue jays. How’s that working out for you? Spanky.

 

The only disingenuous one is you.

 

Hey, you're learning, you put all the players in a trade, babysteps. Trade was fine, lol.

 

...

[mikepelfrey]

Seeing as how Varsho is out WARing Moreno and Gurriel combined, for a fraction of the cost, I'd say yes, the Jays indeed won that trade.

 

WAR isn’t everything Gurriel is leading Varsho in batting average by 50 points, by RBI by 20% in on base percentage and by the way as usual you’re wrong Gurriel and Moreno have 2.1 War, Varsho only has 1.9 War.

 

I wouldn’t be surprised if Varsho was under .200 by seasons end. He started off hot but he’s trended down since with 30 rbi in april and May but only 5 in June. It seems the league has figured him out. And considering the jays big issue is scoring Varsho isn’t helping much.

 

Keep defending Shatkins.

Edited June 26, 2024 by mikepelfrey

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That’s funny because WAR isn’t everything Gurriel is leading in batting average by 50 points, leading in RBI by 20% and that’s not even counting Gabriel Moreno. By the time the season is over, I wouldn’t be surprised if Varsho was under .200. But believe what you want.

 

Wow evaluating a long term trade by using batting average, how very astute of you. You might not have realized this but Gurriel was a league average (at best) corner outfielder whose best ever season of 2 wins above replacement saw him match Varsho's worst ever season. Moreno still hasn't shown he can hit major league pitching with any kind of power outside of a few very short spurts which is likely why he was available for trade in the first place.

[Spanky99]

That’s funny because WAR isn’t everything Gurriel is leading in batting average by 50 points, leading in RBI by 20% and that’s not even counting Gabriel Moreno. By the time the season is over, I wouldn’t be surprised if Varsho was under .200. But believe what you want.

 

lol... aVrIdGe

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lol... aVrIdGe

 

That post is so dumb it's account delete worthy.

[mikepelfrey]

Wow evaluating a long term trade by using batting average, how very astute of you. You might not have realized this but Gurriel was a league average (at best) corner outfielder whose best ever season of 2 wins above replacement saw him match Varsho's worst ever season. Moreno still hasn't shown he can hit major league pitching with any kind of power outside of a few very short spurts which is likely why he was available for trade in the first place.

neither has Varsho

That’s the point.

 

I’m sure the Diamondbacks who made the World Series were very happy with the results. Unlike the Jays who couldn’t even win a single game in the post season and are in last place and in the midst of not even a thought of making the post season this year

 

But as usual you keep defending Shatkins

[max silver]

neither has Varsho

That’s the point.

 

I’m sure the Diamondbacks who made the World Series were very happy with the results. Unlike the Jays who couldn’t even win a single game in the post season and are in last place and in the midst of not even a thought of making the post season this year

 

But as usual you keep defending Shatkins

 

You might not be aware of this but baseball is a team sport, and neither of Gurriel or Moreno were anything more than league average bats in the playoffs as a whole and weren't anywhere close to the strongest contributors on their club. If you want to essentially ignore the regular season when evaluating a long term trade and use a handful of games where Moreno and Gurriel contributed in the post season before going ice cold at the plate knock your socks off.

 

I'm not defending Shatkins, I'm defending a good trade in which both teams will most likely ultimately be happy with what they received. Unlike the mass of mouth breathers who instantly declared the Varsho trade as "worst trade in history" and other assorted nonsense as soon as Gurriel hit his once or twice a year hot streak before going into the tank the rest of the way I'm capable of waiting long enough to gather the necessary data before passing judgement.

[BTS]

WAR isn’t everything Gurriel is leading Varsho in batting average by 50 points, by RBI by 20% in on base percentage and by the way as usual you’re wrong Gurriel and Moreno have 2.1 War, Varsho only has 1.9 War.

 

I wouldn’t be surprised if Varsho was under .200 by seasons end. He started off hot but he’s trended down since with 30 rbi in april and May but only 5 in June. It seems the league has figured him out. And considering the jays big issue is scoring Varsho isn’t helping much.

 

Keep defending Shatkins.

 

Gurriel is on a s***** free agent contract. Below-average hitter this year and on track to put up a league-average season in LF for 14M, the first year of a 42M deal. Arizona probably couldn't give that contract away at this point.

 

And Moreno just kind of sucks

[BTS]

I can't believe I'm seeing whining about Gurriel and Moreno in mid-2024

[L54]

I can't believe I'm seeing whining about Gurriel and Moreno in mid-2024

 

Well up until about a week ago there was a contingent willing to run through a brick wall for Ross Atkins. For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction

[metafour]

I’m sure the Diamondbacks who made the World Series were very happy with the results.

 

Are they? They are 10 games back in their division and have a 30% probability of making the playoffs this season as of today.

 

They would be much better off this season with Varsho in CF in place of Corbin Carroll (who has been useless). That's the funny part here - they have no production in CF this season...a season wherein they are disappointing.

 

Moreno has been a dud this season. A defense-only catcher who is 19th in fWAR at his position. As mentioned above, Gurriel is now an overpaid replacement-level player.

 

This Jays team sucks, but at least find something relevant to complain about. You couldn't have picked a more incorrect point to try to bring up.

[Eat My Shatkins]

WAR isn’t everything Gurriel is leading Varsho in batting average by 50 points, by RBI by 20% in on base percentage and by the way as usual you’re wrong Gurriel and Moreno have 2.1 War, Varsho only has 1.9 War.

 

I wouldn’t be surprised if Varsho was under .200 by seasons end. He started off hot but he’s trended down since with 30 rbi in april and May but only 5 in June. It seems the league has figured him out. And considering the jays big issue is scoring Varsho isn’t helping much.

 

Keep defending Shatkins.

 

Oh man...

 

Someone this out of touch shouldn't be allowed to post here unless he's here to shut up and learn something.

 

Sportsnet comments section is more your speed.

[Eat My Shatkins]

I can't believe I'm seeing whining about Gurriel and Moreno in mid-2024

 

Right?

 

There are so many legitimate things that are wrong with this ball club and it's management, why is this doorknob bringing up one of the few wins they've had recently, as a negative?

 

And using batting average to drive his idiocy home.

[Eat My Shatkins]

Well up until about a week ago there was a contingent willing to run through a brick wall for Ross Atkins.

 

There was?

[L54]

There was?

 

You were named captain bud