General Blue Jays Discussion Thread (2024)

[Terminator]

I went to check out some potential Bo to the Dodgers trades on that Baseball Trade Values site and you have to pay a yearly subscription fee to use that ******** now lmao

[wilko]

I went to check out some potential Bo to the Dodgers trades on that Baseball Trade Values site and you have to pay a yearly subscription fee to use that ******** now lmao

 

$24.99 / Year lol

[Laika]

I went to check out some potential Bo to the Dodgers trades on that Baseball Trade Values site and you have to pay a yearly subscription fee to use that ******** now lmao

 

I subscribe

 

DODGERS GET

 

BO BITCHET - $15M

 

BLUE JAYS GET

 

NICKY FRAZZO - $16M

.json Hey, Ward? - ($1M)

 

 

COMPUTER SAYS

FAIR TRADE

[Laika]

$24.99 / Year lol

 

that's f***ing wild

 

just throwing away all that ad revenue

 

do they know how easy it is to just scrape projections/salaries and do this?

[Terminator]

that's f***ing wild

 

just throwing away all that ad revenue

 

do they know how easy it is to just scrape projections/salaries and do this?

 

Yeah there's not a lot to it. Some enterprising fan with the right skillset will give them some competition I bet. Someone like Nestico who is doing a good job with Stuff+.

[Terminator]

-Trade Bo to the Dodgers for a bunch of MLB-ready stuff

-Sign Kim in the offseason to replace Bo

-Extend Vlad, Jansen and Kooch

 

The WC3 will be easy to make with our 250 million dollar payroll

[BigCecil]

Buy when others are scared

 

The reason some FA deals look horrible is because teams end up buying the pico top of the player stock

 

I do agree it would be a good time to extend either of these bums, if they would. They have physical tools (Vlad) or track records (Bo).

 

It makes me sick to my stomach to say that.

 

I totally agree with this, but the issue is I don't think they value themselves at what we would want them to be valued at to sign them lol.

 

And in this situation they go to market to get the waterboarding Chappy, Belly and Snell treatment to get real.

[Terminator]

I totally agree with this, but the issue is I don't think they value themselves at what we would want them to be valued at to sign them lol.

 

And in this situation they go to market to get the waterboarding Chappy, Belly and Snell treatment to get real.

 

Yeah that's a good point about this past offseason.

 

They had to be licking their chops after the Bogaerts offseason. The money was flying around. But last offseason should give them pause about hitting the market.

[Orgfiller]

-Trade Bo to the Dodgers for a bunch of MLB-ready stuff

-Sign Kim in the offseason to replace Bo

-Extend Vlad, Jansen and Kooch

 

The WC3 will be easy to make with our 250 million dollar payroll

 

Thinking too small.

 

-Trade Bo to the Dodgers for a bunch of MLB-ready stuff +1

-Sign Kim in the offseason to replace Bo +1

-Extend Vlad, Jansen and Kooch -> Trade Vlad for MLB ready pieces, extend Jansen + Kooch, sign Juan Soto for all the moneys to play 1B for the next decade

 

The division will be easy to win.

[Spanky99]

$24.99 / Year lol

 

lulz

[BigCecil]

Yeah that's a good point about this past offseason.

 

They had to be licking their chops after the Bogaerts offseason. The money was flying around. But last offseason should give them pause about hitting the market.

 

100%. Market shifted from over $8M cost/WAR in 22 off season to median $4.4/WAR in 2023 off season. It could change again of course but Xander’s deal term/AAV for that kind of player is for now extinct.

[Omar]

100%. Market shifted from over $8M cost/WAR in 22 off season to median $4.4/WAR in 2023 off season. It could change again of course but Xander’s deal term/AAV for that kind of player is for now extinct.

 

It could turn back just as fast to 2022 market valuations. Depends who's available as FA and a teams need. I wouldn't say the term/aav is extinct. Never underestimate the stupidity of ownership.

[BigCecil]

Jays ACE goes tonight and its not even close:

 

Kooch: 1.7 WAR, 2.60 ERA, 2.74 xERA, 2.61 FIP

 

Berrios: 0.3 WAR, 2.98 ERA, 4.87 xERA, 4.64 FIP

 

So many fans see Berrios as the ACE, but the numbers and expected stats don't show that.

 

Kooch has been lights out and better overall. Both have been good.

[wilko]

Jays ACE goes tonight and its not even close:

 

Kooch: 1.7 WAR, 2.60 ERA, 2.74 xERA, 2.61 FIP

 

Berrios: 0.3 WAR, 2.98 ERA, 4.87 xERA, 4.64 FIP

 

Its funny how so many fans see Berrios as the ACE, but the numbers and expected stats don't show that.

 

Kooch has been lights out and better overall. Both have been good.

 

That's because he gets yanked in the 5th inning after throwing 65 pitches.

[BigCecil]

That's because he gets yanked in the 5th inning after throwing 65 pitches.

 

60 IP 10 GS for Berrios

 

52 IP 9 GS for Kooch

 

Pretty close and Kooch goes tonight

[hanton]

Yesterday Blair and Barker were talking about Turner's struggles and about how the league has adjusted to his uppercut. smh and I turned it off. First of all it's not an uppercut, It's literally the swing that made him and so many other Dodgers great hitters. He's nearly 40

 

his OPS+ last season was 113, he's at 90 right now so not far off. Maybe Atkins was looking at his OPS lol

[Sorrow]

I prefer RA9-WAR for present season results and it's 1.7 to 1.6 for Kikuchi to Berrios. I prefer fWAR more as a barometer about how the next season may go.

[Eat My Shatkins]

Yariel started today for Buffalo and only threw 16 pitches and recorded 1 out.

 

That can't be good

[G-Snarls]

Yariel started today for Buffalo and only threw 16 pitches and recorded 1 out.

 

That can't be good

 

Makes it all the more massive that Manoah looks good

[Stangstag]

Yariel started today for Buffalo and only threw 16 pitches and recorded 1 out.

 

That can't be good

 

Probably just easing him back into a bullpen role?? Realistically Pearson and Pop are replaced with Green and Yrod by the end of the month

[Spanky99]

Yariel started today for Buffalo and only threw 16 pitches and recorded 1 out.

 

That can't be good

 

Scheduled to throw 15.

[saskjayfan]

That's because he gets yanked in the 5th inning after throwing 65 pitches.

 

Kikuchi last night he had is struggles and only went 4.1 innings. Before that 8 innings and 5 straight games where he went 6 innings. 4 out of 5 of those he easily could have went another inning. Someone needs to send a memo to Schneider that Kikuchi is the new ace.

[BigCecil]

Kikuchi last night he had is struggles and only went 4.1 innings. Before that 8 innings and 5 straight games where he went 6 innings. 4 out of 5 of those he easily could have went another inning. Someone needs to send a memo to Schneider that Kikuchi is the new ace.

 

He went 6 last night. 2 earned runs. 6 K 3 BB. I think Kooch has been our top starter by far.

[max silver]

I prefer RA9-WAR for present season results and it's 1.7 to 1.6 for Kikuchi to Berrios. I prefer fWAR more as a barometer about how the next season may go.

 

I think xERA is the final determining factor that points towards Kikuchi being much better than Berrios this season. On top of that Kikuchi's ERA/FIP/xERA all indicate ace level performance, vs Berrios who appears to have been rather fortunate in terms of batted ball results.

 

Kikuchi 2.64 ERA/2.68 xERA/2.61 FIP

Berrios 2.98 ERA/4.87 xERA/4.63 FIP

[Governator]

Yesterday Blair and Barker were talking about Turner's struggles and about how the league has adjusted to his uppercut. smh and I turned it off. First of all it's not an uppercut, It's literally the swing that made him and so many other Dodgers great hitters. He's nearly 40

 

his OPS+ last season was 113, he's at 90 right now so not far off. Maybe Atkins was looking at his OPS lol

 

 

How is being 10% below league average comparable to being above average?

[Spanky99]

How is being 10% below league average comparable to being above average?

 

I think he means ROS wRC+... either way it's a small sample, dude was on fire in April and dogshit since, we'll see what we get. I liked that he pulled an inside fastball and missed a bomb yesterday by a couple feet, hopefully more of that to come.

[The_DH]

I still think good hitting makes everyone better and worse hitting makes everyone worse. A lineup is a mixture of different personalities and what I'm afraid of is that there's nobody to lead them forward. One or two hitters do well, then another one follows and so on. In this case, we started with 3 s***** hitters and stayed that way. That part to me was unforgiveable.

[hanton]

I still think good hitting makes everyone better and worse hitting makes everyone worse. A lineup is a mixture of different personalities and what I'm afraid of is that there's nobody to lead them forward. One or two hitters do well, then another one follows and so on. In this case, we started with 3 s***** hitters and stayed that way. That part to me was unforgiveable.

 

no need to think it .....it is true

[mphenhef]

How is being 10% below league average comparable to being above average?

 

This must be like that new girl math. It could have been 20% below league average so it is actually 10%.

[James Key]

I think the jays need to invest some of that team budget into scouting and coaching. More specifically, coaches and scouts with reputations of success with player development.

 

It seems like this management group are trying to unearth the next big name in the respective circles.

 

Tear the team down and start over. But with that record budget, invest In proven scouting, proven coaching at all levels.

 

Are we a development org or a big time destination org that all names flock to?

 

I’m just so sick of this team. It’s been two years of this. I will be happy to see Atkins and Shapiro go. Hire proven executives who hire proven scouting staff.

 

The system looks bereft of star power.

 

The team looks moribund.

 

Thanks Mark and Ross. Your quest to help the defence has ruined all the excitement this team had at one time.

 

Notice how so many teams have home run celebrations now?

 

That suit jacket was awesome.

 

What a spectacular decimation of an entertaining team. Bo and Vlad look so average. Hire back Dante Bichette. Fire Mattingly and Martinez. Fire Schneider. Fire Atkins. Fire Farrell. Fire Shapiro.