General Blue Jays Discussion Thread (2024)

[Terminator]

With the multiple days off, I don't think the Jays need a 5th starter but guessing when they do, Manoah will be the guy to do it.

 

I'd be tempted to start him Sunday against the Nats. We've got a ton of off days coming up so if he struggles we can go to the pen early and it shouldn't blow up our entire week.

[G-Snarls]

OK the Manoah highlights they just showed on the TV broadcast looked VERY encouraging

 

Nasty looking stuff.

 

Fingers crossed

[Laika]

OK the Manoah highlights they just showed on the TV broadcast looked VERY encouraging

 

Nasty looking stuff.

 

Fingers crossed

 

seemed like the slider had way more depth

[L54]

Bo is counting down the days to FA. He looks completely checked out already.

[JFD]

Atkins baseball baby woooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!

[L54]

“I’m beyond frustrated about what the hell is going on”

 

Chris Bassitt

 

Said he’s talking about his own performance, but he’s a dog and if you read between the lines…

[Terminator]

 

 

His stuff is about the same from his last two MiLB starts.

 

But if you follow through all of Nestico's posts, what I can gather is that Manoah has pretty average stuff and it has remained somewhat consistent, even during his struggles. The location and walks are what is killing him.

 

It's hard to see how he was ever as good as he was with the stuff he had. But with good command, a solid fastball, a 4 pitch mix, and good extension he can be really good. Just needs that command to return.

[TorontonianJD]

Bo is counting down the days to FA. He looks completely checked out already.

 

I agree 100%.

 

I also think Bassitt is talking about the offense, in addition to his own situation.

[L54]

I agree 100%.

 

I also think Bassitt is talking about the offense, in addition to his own situation.

 

Agreed. But he knows calling them out won’t fix anything but clearly frustration boiled over today

[saskjayfan]

Agreed. But he knows calling them out wonÂ’t fix anything but clearly frustration boiled over today

 

he process isn't working. There's 8 different hitting coaches. Players are getting too much information and being pulled in different directions. It's ridiculous. No hitting meetings for a week. See the ball, hit the ball.

 

Fire Schneider, but get rid of Atkins too. Schneider has no say over his staff. Atkins is the one who has brought in 8 different hitting coaches. This team literally ruins players offensively.

[L54]

he process isn't working. There's 8 different hitting coaches. Players are getting too much information and being pulled in different directions. It's ridiculous. No hitting meetings for a week. See the ball, hit the ball.

 

Fire Schneider, but get rid of Atkins too. Schneider has no say over his staff. Atkins is the one who has brought in 8 different hitting coaches. This team literally ruins players offensively.

 

Two years in a row the teams best hitter is an old geezer who came from outside the org who doesnt need to listen to all these guys

[saskjayfan]

Two years in a row the teams best hitter is an old geezer who came from outside the org who doesnt need to listen to all these guys

 

The offense is struggling because they are missing pitches they should do damage on. It's not the swing and misses. Taking fastballs down the middle of the plate. Hitting fastballs down the middle of the plate into the ground because you are late. You have to be aggressive and look to do damage. Be on time like you're going to get a pitch to hit ever pitch. If you swing over a few more breaking balls so be it, but you're not going to miss the hangers, and you'll do damage on the fastball. These guys are expecting a breaking ball because they are guessing with the pitcher because of the pre game meetings and when they are wrong and get the one fastball in the AB they could handle they foul it off, take it, or beat it into the ground because they are late.

[Terminator]

he process isn't working. There's 8 different hitting coaches. Players are getting too much information and being pulled in different directions. It's ridiculous. No hitting meetings for a week. See the ball, hit the ball.

 

Fire Schneider, but get rid of Atkins too. Schneider has no say over his staff. Atkins is the one who has brought in 8 different hitting coaches. This team literally ruins players offensively.

 

It's tough to say what's happening behind the scenes. Though with the struggles what you are saying could be plausible. It does seem like we have too many voices in the room.

 

Just on hitting alone we have:

 

Offensive Coordinator- Mattingly

Hitting Coach- Martinez

Assistant Hitting Coach- Hague

Assistant Hitting Coach- Mense

 

But it's hard to know if all 4 are pulling in different directions or what. Could be they all suck. Or could be they are all great and the players just suck.

 

I compared it to other teams and it seems like most of them have 3 hitting coaches of varying degrees. So having 4 isn't that out of whack.

[HomeRunHomer]

It's impossible to know exactly what voices are carrying more weight but I would fire Mattingly and Martinez first. I've never been a fan of the Mattingly hire in the first place.

 

Isn't Hague the guy that got the AAA guys mashing last year? Maybe promote him to head hitting coach.

[James Key]

Last year they couldn’t score on good pitching. This may we play the white Sox for 6 games. That should get the Pollyannas salivating.

 

I still see the same problems. No power. Deteriorating assets. Poor game mgmt.

 

Offensive coordinator ? What is this football? Too many voices circulating the players. It’s a difficult thing to do but it’s essentially “see ball, hit ball. “.

 

These guys are not playing winning baseball.

 

I’m ready for management top down to go.

 

Saionara Shapiro. Adios Atikins. See you around Schneider.

[TimInBC]

... but it’s essentially “see ball, hit ball. “. .

 

Disagree. That was true even 5-6 years ago, but now every team's third-best P has three filthy pitches. The breaking balls move half a ball width more than they did 5 years ago, and the average fastball is faster. A pitch can start inside and end up as a ball away. Some pitches sink 18" more than a fastball.

 

Batters have to decide each time which pitch they're going to attack and which one needs to be ignored or fouled off. And THAT's where our players and their coaches aren't getting it done. In the few games I've seen, every team has some "what was the batter thinking there??" swings but the Jays have quite a few more, and they aren't all Vladdy.

[BCZ]

This team is

 

F U C K E D

[keggy]

Fire Schneider, but get rid of Atkins too. Schneider has no say over his staff. Atkins is the one who has brought in 8 different hitting coaches. This team literally ruins players offensively.

 

You can't really fire Schneider after he got absolutely hung out to dry by upper management for the Berrios incident. I mean you could, but you would develop a reputation in the industry as a POS organization.

[James Key]

I’m not saying they don’t have a plan. I’m saying there are far too many competing voices around the clubhouse regarding their individual and collective approaches.

 

Hitting to me is about hunting fastballs and hurting hanging breaking balls.

 

It’s still a simple concept. See it. And hit it. Mind you having a scouting report and thinking the sequencing of a pitcher is the art of it.

 

I personally think umpires unfairly target the jays hitters and it has killed their approaches and plate discipline. Babe and vladdy both. Robo umps will help this significantly.

 

Until then we have to get used to this team under performing especially against good pitching.

[goldbug103]

I agree and see this team losing 90+ games. They could go 2-11 against Baltimore.

[goldbug103]

I agree and see this team losing 90+ games. They could go 2-11 against Baltimore.

 

The success of this team was predicated on Fatso and Bo being great players, if not superstars. Instead, they’re epic busts.

[Spanky99]

The success of this team was predicated on Fatso and Bo being great players, if not superstars. Instead, they’re epic busts.

 

lol

[keggy]

The success of this team was predicated on Fatso and Bo being great players, if not superstars. Instead, they’re epic busts.

 

It's really funny that you could be referring to any one of 3 key players above

[Angrioter]

Brewers are hitting the baseball with 9 AAA players. Jays can't hit baseball w/ 4 or 5 all stars

[Brownie19]

Brewers are hitting the baseball with 9 AAA players. Jays can't hit baseball w/ 4 or 5 all stars

 

Who's their hitting coach? God himself? Yelich is back from the dead at age 32, Turang goes from being a sub 100 wRC+ hitter in the upper minors to Ryan Goins last year (60 wRC+) to an all-star this year. William Contreras is one of the best hitting catchers in baseball (AA is regretting that move). Joey Ortiz looks like a stud. What a start for the Brew Crew.

[G-Snarls]

At this point I think you actually have to make a "change for change sake" to the lineup if you're John Schneider

 

If it doesn't help blame the players. You tried.

 

If it helps you look smart even though you're actually just desperate

[BatFlip]

At this point I think you actually have to make a "change for change sake" to the lineup if you're John Schneider

 

If it doesn't help blame the players. You tried.

 

If it helps you look smart even though you're actually just desperate

 

Yup. Call up Martinez, shuffle that lineup and pray Bo and Vladdy finally start hitting.

[connorp]

The offense is struggling because they are missing pitches they should do damage on. It's not the swing and misses. Taking fastballs down the middle of the plate. Hitting fastballs down the middle of the plate into the ground because you are late. You have to be aggressive and look to do damage. Be on time like you're going to get a pitch to hit ever pitch. If you swing over a few more breaking balls so be it, but you're not going to miss the hangers, and you'll do damage on the fastball. These guys are expecting a breaking ball because they are guessing with the pitcher because of the pre game meetings and when they are wrong and get the one fastball in the AB they could handle they foul it off, take it, or beat it into the ground because they are late.

 

That’s a good take for a bad series. 30 games in is something different

[Spanky99]

Bassitt's post game interview...

 

 

https://www.sportsnet.ca/videos/teams/toronto-blue-jays-video/

Edited May 2, 2024 by Spanky99

[Omar]

Disagree. That was true even 5-6 years ago, but now every team's third-best P has three filthy pitches. The breaking balls move half a ball width more than they did 5 years ago, and the average fastball is faster. A pitch can start inside and end up as a ball away. Some pitches sink 18" more than a fastball.

 

Batters have to decide each time which pitch they're going to attack and which one needs to be ignored or fouled off. And THAT's where our players and their coaches aren't getting it done. In the few games I've seen, every team has some "what was the batter thinking there??" swings but the Jays have quite a few more, and they aren't all Vladdy.

 

Well said.