General Blue Jays Discussion Thread (2024)

[WryNGinger]

f*** Off!!!

 

If he is going to provide 90% troll content and not get banned then all you can do is block.

 

I don't like that the (seemingly) only way you can get banned on this site is going way over the top with racist/political comments. It's a f***ing baseball discussion board, if you are not talking about baseball in over half your posts you should get deleted.

 

This sites moderation is too lenient sometimes (I appreciate the s*** out of what you do, I just think you make it harder on yourselves trying to appease the mushy middle).

 

This is not a society site or a warm and fuzzy fuzzy site. It's a baseball discussion board...s***...I have posted some (maybe drunken?) stuff on this site that I expected a warning for the next day.

 

Batten down the hatches and deal with stormy seas!

 

Please make this a baseball site and f*** the consequences.

[deanmike]

BNS on Jays Talk Plus said 1 of Pop/Little/Zulu/Danner is going to be the DFA to clear the additional 40 man spot needed for Vogelbach. My guess is either Pop or Little specifically.

 

He also said no one is a 60-day IL candidate at the moment. Even when Blake Murphy followed up by asking about Manoah specifically in relation to a potential 60-day IL stint, BNS said that is not in the cards at the moment. Manoah either starts on 15-day IL or is optioned.

[Eat My Shatkins]

Gotta be either Little or Zulu I would imagine. Or maybe even Pop.

 

Can't see them DFAing Danner.

[Laika]

Yeah Danner would be very surprising. He also had the best spring from a K-BB perspective.

 

Zulu - seems hopeless but the greedy fan in me still wants to think there is upside.

Pop - feels like we have seen enough and it's just not there? I dunno. This is his last option year, Zulueta would be optionable in 2025 too.

Little - lefty with three option years left. Probably safe for now.

[Terminator]

Gotta be either Little or Zulu I would imagine. Or maybe even Pop.

 

Can't see them DFAing Danner.

 

Agree on Danner. After switching from Catcher he also dealt with a torn UCL so he only has 80 professional innings but he's looked good in that short time frame.

[glory]

I wouldn't mind if it's Pop, but I think it's likely Zulu. Pop has had a marginal amount of big league success so they probably value that more than Zulu who doesn't look like he will help the 2024 team much (barring some major development in AAA).

[Terminator]

I wouldn't mind if it's Pop, but I think it's likely Zulu. Pop has had a marginal amount of big league success so they probably value that more than Zulu who doesn't look like he will help the 2024 team much (barring some major development in AAA).

 

I would want to keep Pop as well. He's only got 1 pitch but he's shown that he can be useful enough to keep around while he has options. He's only a year older than Zulu who still has wild control issues that don't seem to be getting better at all.

[The_DH]

Wonder if there's any 60 day DL manipulations we could do? For example, Manoah's entry could be backdated. He won't be ready to start the season even if he's ready to start "spring training" tomorrow.

[Eat My Shatkins]

With Cooke, Danner and Juenger, the Jays look like they may have 3 pretty solid home grown high leverage relievers in the fold.

 

Cooke and Juenger aren't on the 40 man yet but I suspect by seasons end they probably will be and all 3 of these guys will probably pitch some MLB innings, maybe sooner rather than later with some arms already hurting.

 

Hopefully this is just the beginning of the pipeline opening up, it'll be nice not having to dish out too much money on relievers going forward because they keep developing them in house.

[wilko]

I would want to keep Pop as well. He's only got 1 pitch but he's shown that he can be useful enough to keep around while he has options. He's only a year older than Zulu who still has wild control issues that don't seem to be getting better at all.

 

If Pop could develop a secondary pitch he would be great. Zulu's a pipe dream.

[Laika]

tjStuff+ (# thrown)

 

HAGEN DANNER

Fastball 95 (40)

Slider 107 (50)

 

ZACH POP

Sinker 103 (88)

Cutter 104 (9)

Slider 105 (27)

 

YOSVER ZULUETA

Sinker 103 (34)

Slider 106 (19)

 

BRENDON LITTLE

Fastball 105 (48)

Sinker 98 (60)

Slider 105 (36)

I don't know what the "fastball" is for him. he didn't throw a second fastball in his MLB sample, just the sinker. this spring the FF is 2.5 mph slower than his sinker and it has an inch of glove side run, and 3.5 IVB. It might be a cutter with drop, or a hard as f*** gyro slider thing? just being mislabeled so far

 

I did not expect Danner's fastball to grade at 95, thought it would be a bit better on this.

 

Edit: Ah Little's new pitch is a cutter. Well, it might be good so that makes him a lot more interesting to me. I would absolutely be keeping Little. The spike curve breaking ball appears decent and if he has two effective fastballs, cutter and sinker, he can get anybody out.

[The_DH]

Gotta admit, I see value in Little. A tweak or two and he could be a real good reliever. Not feeling so highly on Zach Pop. Wish I did.

[Terminator]

Gotta admit, I see value in Little. A tweak or two and he could be a real good reliever. Not feeling so highly on Zach Pop. Wish I did.

 

Pop and Zulu are annoying. Both have good stuff but Pop can't command his slider and Zulu can't command anything.

 

Agree on Little. Lefty with that kind of stuff and 3 options is a nice guy to have around.

[Brownie19]

Very interesting. Given the concerns surrounding Mayza, it feels like the Jays should keep Little (especially with 3 options left). Disappointing to see Danner's "stuff". Crazy that Pop's cutter and slider are actually better than his sinker. I really don't want to lose any of these guys to be honest. I guess if they don't see any command developing in Zulu, then he's the guy you have to give up on.

[Laika]

Very interesting. Given the concerns surrounding Mayza, it feels like the Jays should keep Little (especially with 3 options left). Disappointing to see Danner's "stuff". Crazy that Pop's cutter and slider are actually better than his sinker. I really don't want to lose any of these guys to be honest. I guess if they don't see any command developing in Zulu, then he's the guy you have to give up on.

 

I don't know if the numbers are all on the exact same scale. For instance, the average slider for a reliever might be a 105 while the average sinker might be 100. It is that way with Eno's stuff+.

 

Pop likely has s*** command of the slider though. He barely used the cutter.

[deanmike]

 

Wes Parsons is likely making the team as the 2nd long man out of the pen alongside Mitch White.

[G-Snarls]

Would love to see Yariel prove himself as a legitimate starter in AAA

 

We need to replace Kikuchi after this season and having 1-2 of Yariel R, Ricky T and Alek M good enough to start would be great.

[Terminator]

 

Wes Parsons is likely making the team as the 2nd long man out of the pen alongside Mitch White.

 

I think it's a smart move to bring him up and then option him after he throws a multi-inning game for a fresh arm.

[John_Havok]

I think it's a smart move to bring him up and then option him after he throws a multi-inning game for a fresh arm.

 

Yeah. I think any reliever with options is going to be pushed to the 5-option limit this year. The Buffalo shuttle will be in full effect.

[Eat My Shatkins]

When I looked at the Jays depth chart early in the off season, I did not have Wes Parsons on my bingo card as a potential starter/long man at the MLB level. I saw him as one of the first options for DFAing to clear a spot on the 40 man. 31 year old journeyman and the Jays are squeezing blood from stone here. Impressive.

 

Combine that with Francis being resurrected from looking near finished two years ago to actually being a solid reliever to now winning a rotation spot, to Robbie Ray going from the scrap heap to Cy Young winner, to Stripling going from mid reliever to solid starter for the Jays, they made something out of Matz as well who they pulled from the scrap pile.....the Kikuchi turn around, Jays seem to be able to get the most out of mid pitchers.

[InsideThePark]

Wes Parsons should be closer to the DFA to open up a spot for Vogelbach consideration than consideration for the opening day roster.

[Spanky99]

Wes Parsons should be closer to the DFA to open up a spot for Vogelbach consideration than consideration for the opening day roster.

 

I'm going to assume you haven't watched him pitch this Spring?

[InsideThePark]

I'm going to assume you haven't watched him pitch this Spring?

 

You would be correct that I haven't watched much spring baseball. IIRC I saw Parsons pitch once. I just don't really value spring performances that much when the road team sends about 20% of their MLB roster and everyone expected to be on an MLB roster is out of the game by the 6th.

 

Parsons 6.2 innings of 4.05 ERA baseball with a K/9 of 6.8, BB/9 of 5.4 and 1.20 WHIP just doesn't stand out all that much to me when you're facing minor leaguers for half the game. Statistically Pop and Danner have both been better and we're talking about DFAing them.

[Spanky99]

You would be correct that I haven't watched much spring baseball. IIRC I saw Parsons pitch once. I just don't really value spring performances that much when the road team sends about 20% of their MLB roster and everyone expected to be on an MLB roster is out of the game by the 6th.

 

Parsons 6.2 innings of 4.05 ERA baseball with a K/9 of 6.8, BB/9 of 5.4 and 1.20 WHIP just doesn't stand out all that much to me when you're facing minor leaguers for half the game. Statistically Pop and Danner have both been better and we're talking about DFAing them.

 

He's starter depth with an option, his stuff+ numbers were good, Laika posted them IIRC. We'll find out soon enough, anyhow.

[deanmike]

If it were up to me I would probably DFA Pop or Parsons over any of Danner/Little/Zulu.

[InsideThePark]

He's starter depth with an option, his stuff+ numbers were good, Laika posted them IIRC. We'll find out soon enough, anyhow.

 

Laika posted Little, Zulu, Danner, and Pop. I don't see Parsons there unless you're referring to something further back.

 

With Mitch White in the pen I don't really see the need for the starter depth to be in the pen to start. He might be someone I'd call up if the pen was gassed for some length but not sure they need that to start the year. Once Manoah, and Yariel are stretched out Parsons is probably 5th on my list of guys I'd go to after the 5 who start in the rotation(Manoah, Yariel, White, and Ricky). I'm not sure I see much there with Zulueta or Pop long term either, and I don't know much about Little. Danner I would for sure hold onto. I don't claim to be the most knowledgeable guy here but if I had to DFA 1 of the 5 it's probably Parsons.

[Beau]

Is Cole Hamels or Kluber available?

[Eat My Shatkins]

Is Cole Hamels or Kluber available?

 

Available for what?

 

Lol

[MikeM3]

Wes Parsons high leverage reliever

[Krylian]

Available for what?

 

Lol

 

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