General Blue Jays Discussion Thread (2023)

[Laika]

Good for Toronto he didn't win

 

Chip on his shoulder now + arb cost ticks down

[Stangstag]

Good for Toronto he didn't win

 

Chip on his shoulder now + arb cost ticks down

 

Honestly yeah lol. GG just means more for Arb raise

[Stangstag]

[Laika]

Makes sense. Bit of a risk but worth the upside.

 

3 year option vs 2 year option - having the payroll flexibility in 2026 and no commitment to him then is probably a bit better than having the slightly lower AAV

[Ehjays]

Jays took the 2-year option.

 

Chad Green remains with the Jays through 2025

 

Wow, so they pay him 10.5 million plus

Escalates

$500,000 each for 60, 65 games in 2023

[glory]

Wow, so they pay him 10.5 million plus

Escalates

$500,000 each for 60, 65 games in 2023

 

So it’s basically $11.5m with the way Schneider uses his relievers.

 

I’m actually pretty surprised by this. I knew Green would decline his option but Atkins never spends real money on the bullpen. If he’s spending this much on a reliever, combined with $6m for Jimi, and Romano’s increase, then I think they might have a decent amount to spend this winter.

[Laika]

So it’s basically $11.5m with the way Schneider uses his relievers.

 

I’m actually pretty surprised by this. I knew Green would decline his option but Atkins never spends real money on the bullpen. If he’s spending this much on a reliever, combined with $6m for Jimi, and Romano’s increase, then I think they might have a decent amount to spend this winter.

 

I think it's a bird-in-the-hand thing.

 

Green had good peripherals but iffy results. Stuff looked like it used to. I think the two team options were likely tough decisions.

 

We've already seen some insight on the RP market. Dodgers declined $9.5M option on Joe Kelly. Braves paid Joe Jimenez 3/$26M and Pierce Johnson 2/$14.25M

 

The Jays are pricing Green a bit above all of those guys but this is a player who was very close to the best RP in baseball from 2017 to 2021. One less offseason box to tick off.

[L54]

Good stuff. Was hoping they’d end up with the two year

[glory]

I think it's a bird-in-the-hand thing.

 

Green had good peripherals but iffy results. Stuff looked like it used to. I think the two team options were likely tough decisions.

 

We've already seen some insight on the RP market. Dodgers declined $9.5M option on Joe Kelly. Braves paid Joe Jimenez 3/$26M and Pierce Johnson 2/$14.25M

 

The Jays are pricing Green a bit above all of those guys but this is a player who was very close to the best RP in baseball from 2017 to 2021. One less offseason box to tick off.

 

Yeah they kinda needed Green back in 2024-25 at the minimum with the way the competitive window is looking, so they were probably fine with the overpay just to continue to have him. If he tested free agency then he may have left.

[max silver]

Varsho not winning one is very much ********. We all s*** on that guy but he was far and away the best LF in Baseball and he's probably a top 5 CF as well.

 

The metrics really weren't in agreement on Varsho. Both Statcast and UZR both portrayed him as a little above average vs DRS which showed him to be elite. He has mentioned that left field is his least comfortable outfield position as well which is backed up by several of the metrics so far.

[max silver]

Good stuff. Was hoping they’d end up with the two year

 

I was fine with either the 2 or 3 year options, but I imagine the front office declined the 3 year deal in the faint hope that Green would take the 1 year option.

[wamco]

I also take this to mean there is more money to spend than I anticipated. Maybe into the 2nd tax penalty is ok afterall

[Brownie19]

I also take this to mean there is more money to spend than I anticipated. Maybe into the 2nd tax penalty is ok afterall

 

Or a realization that there isn't much on the FA market this year...

[MikeM3]

Man that's a lot of money with no guarantees

[max silver]

Man that's a lot of money with no guarantees

 

There's no such thing as guarantees in baseball contracts.

[MikeM3]

There's no such thing as guarantees in baseball contracts.

 

Ya true which is why it's wise to spend 20+m on a reliever

[max silver]

Ya true which is why it's wise to spend 20+m on a reliever

 

When it's a guy who's historically been one of MLB's best relievers I think it's a worthwhile gamble to take. It's a helluva lot better than the idea of spending $50+ million on a closer at the very least.

[Terminator]

Man that's a lot of money with no guarantees

 

It actually isn't a lot of money

[connorp]

This is a “building a playoff roster” move. RP is volatile but the teams with deep playoff aspirations will pay for the guys they can reasonably rely on being there in October.

 

The question is if it’s the same Chad Green. Jays clearly think so

[Stangstag]

Ya true which is why it's wise to spend 20+m on a reliever

 

f***ing complain about everything don't you?

[MikeM3]

Guess we got more money than I thought because we have alot of holes right now

[MikeM3]

f***ing complain about everything don't you?

 

Nah I loved the Kiermaier deal and wanted him before we signed him. On board with Belt.

 

I'm just a bit surprised with Green. But like I said, I guess we have more money than I thought

[Terminator]

The bullpen is stacked.

 

I could see us keeping everyone OR we could trade one.

 

We could trade Swanson and Green could take his role, for example. And that would allow us to dumpster dive for one of the final spots in the pen.

 

Or maybe throw Pearson and some other stuff together in a package for Moncada.

 

Either way, it's a good move to bring back Green and like Mike said, it's a good sign that we've got some money to throw around this offseason.

[Eat My Shatkins]

Two years for Green, perfect.

 

Pitching staff is really good on paper already, just need to plug those holes on offense and defense.

 

1. Gausman

2. Berrios

3. Bassit

4. Kikuchi

5. Manoah (a bounce back would sure be nice)

6. Tiedemann

 

 

1. Romano

2. Swanson

3. Green

4, Mayza

5. Garcia

6. Richards

7. Cabrera

8. Cimber

9. Francis

 

10. Pearson

11. Pop

12. Danner

13. Cooke

14. Juenger

15. Zulueta

[G-Snarls]

100% fine with the Green contract as it now stands

 

Don't think we could get someone as good for any less

[G-Snarls]

Two years for Green, perfect.

 

Pitching staff is really good on paper already, just need to plug those holes on offense and defense.

 

1. Gausman

2. Berrios

3. Bassit

4. Kikuchi

5. Manoah (a bounce back would sure be nice)

6. Tiedemann

 

 

1. Romano

2. Swanson

3. Green

4, Mayza

5. Garcia

6. Richards

7. Cabrera

8. Cimber

9. Francis

 

10. Pearson

11. Pop

12. Danner

13. Cooke

14. Juenger

15. Zulueta

 

Pitching is great

 

Need to fill 2B, 3B and one corner OF spot with above average bats in 2-3 of those spots. Offense needs more certainly because we just don't know what Springer/Vladdy/Kirk/Varsho will do in 2024.

Edited November 6, 2023 by G-Snarls

[MikeM3]

I think our pitching needs way more depth because it's very unlikely they'll all be healthy again

[Terminator]

I think our pitching needs way more depth because it's very unlikely they'll all be healthy again

 

Yeah right now Manoah is probably the #5 and Francis and Tiedemann are in AAA as the main MLB depth. White probably the longman to start the year but I don't think we can rely on him to be an MLB SP.

 

Would be cool to move Horwitz or someone for a backend SP with options.

[Laika]

The bullpen is stacked.

 

I could see us keeping everyone OR we could trade one.

 

We could trade Swanson and Green could take his role, for example. And that would allow us to dumpster dive for one of the final spots in the pen.

 

Or maybe throw Pearson and some other stuff together in a package for Moncada.

 

Either way, it's a good move to bring back Green and like Mike said, it's a good sign that we've got some money to throw around this offseason.

 

Moncada is owed $24.8M in 2024, and has a $5M buyout in the team option in 2025. So nearly $30M guaranteed.

 

He projects for 2.2 WAR, I think.

 

Hard to see that working. Ignoring salary, Moncada seems like a nice 2024 punt option though. I wonder if CHW would eat half the salary? That makes something like Pearson for Moncada an even swap.

[connorp]

Don’t forget the Jays are literally the lamest team in baseball and have been bounced in 2 or last 3 playoff appearances from pulling a SP for the BP prematurely. In 2023, they made a move no other team in baseball would’ve.

 

So if anyone needs to count on BP depth, it’s the Jays. Especially since scoring is a premium