General Blue Jays Discussion Thread (2022)

[Stangstag]

I would say Moreno is the catcher of the future. Kirk is awesome, but Moreno is just so damn athletic.

 

But I would keep both for a while and let them alternate C/DH but the Jays use the DH for the endless rest day rotation and seem scared to have the back up catcher already in the starting line up.

 

I like Jansen too, but I'd say the farthest he makes it as a Jay now is next off season. Decent chance he's dealt this summer in a package for another starter IMO.

 

Its really too bad Kirk is so short… if he was like 6ft he could be a great 1B backup option to get him in the lineup some more. Ah well

[Eat My Shatkins]

What is Jansen's worth? 27 year old starting catcher who can hit and has two years of arb left...

 

Can they get a decent starter for him straight up. Marquez or Castillo type, or is that not even close?

[Eat My Shatkins]

Its really too bad Kirk is so short… if he was like 6ft he could be a great 1B backup option to get him in the lineup some more. Ah well

 

Yeah, if he could play anywhere else on the diamond it would be nice.

 

Moreno, I'm sure, could play many other positions but so far he looks like a complete friggin stud behind the plate.

[Dagagad]

I’d trade Jansen at the deadline to someone like Houston who probably have excess pitching and need a catcher.

 

There’s risk there but it’s the best way to improve the team and save the farm for additions next year.

[Brownie19]

What is Jansen's worth? 27 year old starting catcher who can hit and has two years of arb left...

 

Can they get a decent starter for him straight up. Marquez or Castillo type, or is that not even close?

 

I'm not sure it's a good idea to trade Jansen until we see more of Moreno. Let's not forget Jansen's been a f***ing stud as of last May/June. We're ready to win now. We can't afford to let Moreno 'learn' to hit ML pitching the next couple of years.

[Dagagad]

What is Jansen's worth? 27 year old starting catcher who can hit and has two years of arb left...

 

Can they get a decent starter for him straight up. Marquez or Castillo type, or is that not even close?

 

If he comes back reasonably soon and hits, I think he’s worth quite a bit. I find it hard to get a handle on catcher value though.

 

The problem is that you really need to be trading him to a contender or team that thinks they will contend next year. Like, Pittsburgh is out for example.

[wilko]

So I just want to get a feeling from the board here and I’m sure it has been discussed but what is the ideal catching situation right now. I bombarded my friend because he said Moreno is increasing his trade value because Kirk is there catcher of the future which a lot of guys are saying. In my opinion Kirk should be dh’ing more with Moreno behind the plate but I hate the idea of having three catchers on the bench. Do 1 of them need to be traded or am I overthinking. I think Moreno is going to be much better then Kirk overall and not a base clogger. But Kirk does have a good bat. I’m not sure what the answer is. You don’t call Moreno up and not have him catch 3 out of the 5 starts in my opinion or you might as well have him in AAA. What is the boards feel on this. I should let it be known that I do have a hard on for Moreno so my view could be skewed

 

It's an interesting debate and a good problem to have. When Jansen comes back you'd have to think Moreno goes back down for now. It's hard to not have Kirk's bat in the lineup.. and he's turning into a pretty good catcher as well. I think it will be Moreno/Kirk and they unload a healthy Jansen (hopefully) for some pitching.

[Jimcanuck]

Said it before, will say it again. It's not a question of who to keep and who to trade, but a question of which player returns the highest value in trade. Sorry to deflate anyone's hardon.

 

If pitching rich Miami wants to give us Lopez for Moreno, and the best deal they can find for Jansen is Madison Bumgarner + a good prospect or two, what do you do?

[Omar]

We just need to keep following him despite the red flags. He'll lead us to the World Series, which we'll win after Merryweather betrays the team and Moreno throws him into an ocean of liquid hot magma.

 

Wait a second. Does Moreno get his finger bit off by Merryweather in this scenario? I'm not good with that.

[Sammy225]

Said it before, will say it again. It's not a question of who to keep and who to trade, but a question of which player returns the highest value in trade.

 

If pitching rich Miami wants to give us Lopez for Moreno, and the best deal they can find for Jansen is Madison Bumgarner + a prospect, what do you do?

 

Yes and no. I think the ceiling for Moreno COULD be posey level. I would not be comfortable letting that go and are we comfortable with the durability of Kirk ( not to body shame him) but that has to be in the mind of some. I don’t know if it is possible to keep all three till the all star break and not hurt someone’s value. Also the way they use Springer in the DH spot also sucks because that means 1 of them had to sit for Tapia or Zimmer. As said good problem to have but also tough to figure out when having both in the lineup is so f***ing good

[Dagagad]

Said it before, will say it again. It's not a question of who to keep and who to trade, but a question of which player returns the highest value in trade. Sorry to deflate anyone's hardon.

 

If pitching rich Miami wants to give us Lopez for Moreno, and the best deal they can find for Jansen is Madison Bumgarner + a good prospect or two, what do you do?

 

I know it’s just an illustrative example, but I wouldn’t do the Lopez deal or the bumgarner one. I’d want more than 2 1/2 years of control for Moreno. It needs to be a great young pitcher who is still pre arb.

[Omar]

Moreno will likely be great but it is not a done deal so we wait and see. I wouldn't trade Jano, his value will be manifest come playoff time. Kirk will be our dh throughout the playoffs. Trade none of them during the season. Carry all three. Be conservative and wait till the off season to see what you get. Not a popular opinion but I think a prudent one.

[Eat My Shatkins]

Probably never happen, but boy would it be nice if the Angels just kept up their massive downward spiral and decided to start selling off pieces for a rebuild.

 

Jays could offer some nice pieces for Ohtani and then work on extending him.

 

Much needed left handed bat and basically add an ace to the top of the rotation.

[Stangstag]

Said it before, will say it again. It's not a question of who to keep and who to trade, but a question of which player returns the highest value in trade. Sorry to deflate anyone's hardon.

 

If pitching rich Miami wants to give us Lopez for Moreno, and the best deal they can find for Jansen is Madison Bumgarner + a good prospect or two, what do you do?

 

Yep this

[Laika]

Said it before, will say it again. It's not a question of who to keep and who to trade, but a question of which player returns the highest value in trade. Sorry to deflate anyone's hardon.

 

If pitching rich Miami wants to give us Lopez for Moreno, and the best deal they can find for Jansen is Madison Bumgarner + a good prospect or two, what do you do?

 

Bumgarner

 

we can fix her

[Terminator]

Bumgarner or hold. That's easy Jim.

[Deadpool]

I question myself lots when he is getting rocked, but much more so than Borucki, I just don't want to give up on him even with this injury history. With his stuff I feel like, just with Gollum in the Lord of the Rings, he still has an important role to play in the end.

 

Why don't the eagles just fly the Jays to the World Series?

[Daniel Labude]

Said it before, will say it again. It's not a question of who to keep and who to trade, but a question of which player returns the highest value in trade. Sorry to deflate anyone's hardon.

 

If pitching rich Miami wants to give us Lopez for Moreno, and the best deal they can find for Jansen is Madison Bumgarner + a good prospect or two, what do you do?

 

Thats when the team adds to Jansen to get Lopez. If a deal cant be reached you keep all 3. Very unlikley they would get anything worth trading Moreno. You don't trade someone like Moreno because you have a log jam at C. Kirk's value is limited by his ability to catch (not catch) everyday. Its more likley that they stay with all 3 because Kirk essentially will be a DH and catch 1 game. Jansen would be the trade or none at all unless someone gets crazy with their offers imo

[Terminator]

Idk Moreno could definitely be the one traded, especially if they trade for a star player as Moreno could be a headliner in a package like that. Jansen could also go as he has the least amount of control.

 

I don't see a scenario where Kirk gets traded. He's probably the most talented of the 3 but he's also young, cheap and controllable. The team is batting him cleanup now, they obviously love him.

[Jimcanuck]

Thats when the team adds to Jansen to get Lopez. If a deal cant be reached you keep all 3. Very unlikley they would get anything worth trading Moreno. You don't trade someone like Moreno because you have a log jam at C. Kirk's value is limited by his ability to catch (not catch) everyday. Its more likley that they stay with all 3 because Kirk essentially will be a DH and catch 1 game. Jansen would be the trade or none at all unless someone gets crazy with their offers imo

 

Well, they could certainly try, but Miami may not play ball. Remember, it takes two to tango.

[wilko]

Idk Moreno could definitely be the one traded, especially if they trade for a star player as Moreno could be a headliner in a package like that. Jansen could also go as he has the least amount of control.

 

I don't see a scenario where Kirk gets traded. He's probably the most talented of the 3 but he's also young, cheap and controllable. The team is batting him cleanup now, they obviously love him.

 

Tapia was batting leadoff. They love him more?

[Terminator]

Tapia was batting leadoff. They love him more?

 

Extreme body types are the new market inefficiency

[glory]

The only catchers it would make sense to trade at this point are either Jansen or Moreno, and I don't think the Jays trade Moreno for anyone that would be realistically available right now (obviously if Soto becomes available at the deadline then you change your mindset). I've said before, I think Jansen is the one to move, and I feel like he's the one the Jays do end up moving this winter. The team trading for Jansen is going to be an established contender or a team that plans to contend, so there would be less of a market for him than Moreno, who any team would trade for. I don't see a rebuilding team wanting only 2 years of Jansen.

 

If they can turn Jansen into a LH CF or SP, then it's the best way to balance out the roster.

[Krylian]

Are you replying to the correct person? Dagagad has probably been the best new poster this year (clearly an early favourite for best new poster at the prestigious BJMB awards gala, IMO).

 

Not only that, but his name is a palindrome. Always have time for that.

[wilko]

Extreme body types are the new market inefficiency

 

It's good the Jays don't discriminate.

[Carlos Danger]

The Marlin's were looking for OF help pre-season and I am not sure why we didn't try to work something out with them for Grichuk vice Colorado.. I mean I guess we wanted another OF with a different profile and cheaper then Grichuk. However, I would have tried to use that asset for pitching and Miami is rich in it..

 

If we need an additional OF going forward and want to dump Zimmer, we should look to Arizona.. They have a glut and some guys who could be solid number 4/5 types... Some with IF/OF ability...

[Laika]

The Marlin's were looking for OF help pre-season and I am not sure why we didn't try to work something out with them for Grichuk...

 

why would you assume they didn't?

 

every GM in baseball probably wakes up to a nice text message and smiley emoji from Ross

[Carlos Danger]

why would you assume they didn't?

 

every GM in baseball probably wakes up to a nice text message and smiley emoji from Ross

 

I am assuming they did.. What I was trying to articulate is that even if Miami wanted a sweetener etc, I hope we would have gone that route and exhausted all efforts.. I really think a return of a pitcher would have been a better use of Grichuk as a trade asset or the core piece anyway..

[Laika]

I am assuming they did.. What I was trying to articulate is that even if Miami wanted a sweetener etc, I hope we would have gone that route and exhausted all efforts.. I really think a return of a pitcher would have been a better use of Grichuk as a trade asset or the core piece anyway..

 

Grichuk had negative or zero value though. Toronto basically fleeced the Rockies for that prospect...

[Terminator]

I'm sure every GM in baseball knew Grichuk was available. Dick Monfort was the only one dumb enough to actually trade for him.