General Blue Jays Discussion Thread (2022)

[Brownie19]

I know, when Bo gets going he is a terror and an outstanding #2 in the lineup. No argument there. But, I find it ridiculous that you have to keep a player at the top of the lineup and in particular hitting ahead of Vladdy when he is already struck out 20 times, has a TERRIBLE on base percentage. I really do not understand why the lineup is not a tad more fluid, especially at the beginning of the year.

 

Hell, due to injury, Tapia was placed at the top of the lineup and it unlocked something in him and he began to hit. Maybe, just maybe, going out every damn game with the same lineup, no matter what a player is presently doing at the plate is not necessarily the right approach. I would mix it up a bit and IF a player is in a terrible slump, then why not move him around the lineup...to see what might happen. I do know this, that the Jays are not putting up a lot of runs as is. If it is simply a matter of ego over team than I can understand that and well, wish it were not the case.

 

Right now, the fact that Vladdy is not and HAS not batted second is a head scratcher. How many times has he been left holding his bat unable to swing because Bo ended an important inning?

 

Bo's only at 28% K - which isn't awful. I think they like him in the #2 spot so teams attack him (as they don't want to face Vlad). I suspect they think this helps mitigate the reality that Bo has downright awful plate discipline.

[TwistedLogic]

[Signal]

Bo's only at 28% K - which isn't awful. I think they like him in the #2 spot so teams attack him (as they don't want to face Vlad). I suspect they think this helps mitigate the reality that Bo has downright awful plate discipline.

 

Well the early returns are not good.

[max silver]

Bo's only at 28% K - which isn't awful. I think they like him in the #2 spot so teams attack him (as they don't want to face Vlad). I suspect they think this helps mitigate the reality that Bo has downright awful plate discipline.

 

Bo at least managed to work a few walks in the Houston series which is a start. I thought based on the eye test that he was being much more patient for those 3 games but when checking out the numbers his chase percentage was basically right at his season average. That pretty much shuts down that theory.

[Omar]

 

The Jays should send Biggio to spend time with Ryu.

[BigCecil]

Bo's only at 28% K - which isn't awful. I think they like him in the #2 spot so teams attack him (as they don't want to face Vlad). I suspect they think this helps mitigate the reality that Bo has downright awful plate discipline.

 

Agree. Bo was a 5 WAR player at 23. He is never going to be Wander Franco. His plate discipline and aggressiveness is awesome when its working and blows when it doesn't lol. He is one of those frustrating players who just does what got him there, but we can all see if he could just exercise a bit more selectiveness he could be so much better. The league is just going to keep on his weakness and make him a mistake hitter. Of course he knows this. Javier Baez is an extreme example of a similar issue at the plate.

[Stangstag]

Agree. Bo was a 5 WAR player at 23. He is never going to be Wander Franco. His plate discipline and aggressiveness is awesome when its working and blows when it doesn't lol. He is one of those frustrating players who just does what got him there, but we can all see if he could just exercise a bit more selectiveness he could be so much better. The league is just going to keep on his weakness and make him a mistake hitter. Of course he knows this. Javier Baez is an extreme example of a similar issue at the plate.

 

Bo being Javier Baez isn’t the worst outcome, but Baez at least plays solid D. Bo has to at least improve on the front. Just make the routine plays.

[Laika]

 

Cavan Biggio having long COVID would actually explain a lot lmao

[Jonn]

They starting Zimmer tonight but in RF lol. Why not just have hin play CF with Springer in Right. They have been switching them around defensively anyway.

[TwistedLogic]

Cavan Biggio having long COVID would actually explain a lot lmao

 

Check my second last post in the fantasy advice thread please.

[JaysAllMighty]

What a play...

 

[Laika]

What a play...

 

 

Derek Fisher leap frogs Jason Varitek, circa 2012

[Stangstag]

They starting Zimmer tonight but in RF lol. Why not just have hin play CF with Springer in Right. They have been switching them around defensively anyway.

 

Charlie brain

[keggy]

One of my blind spots with this team's lineup construction is that I'm not sure why Lourdes Gurriel Jr. needs so much time at DH. Did they ever speak on that? I feel like he gets a disproportionate amount of time there.

 

This lineup would look quite a bit better if Collins was batting in place of Zimmer.

 

I honestly think it has more to do with getting Tapia's bat into the lineup rather than resting Gurriel.

[gruber92]

I honestly think it has more to do with getting Tapia's bat into the lineup rather than resting Gurriel.

 

Gurriel doesn't have to DH, unless there's something that we don't know about. Collins should be DHing while Gurriel is in LF. If we have to start Zimmer, he at least should be in CF.

[Terminator]

 

Hopefully it's the last time we ever see Craig Biggio's son in a Blue Jays game again. Dude is awful.

[John_Havok]

Hopefully it's the last time we ever see Craig Biggio's son in a Blue Jays game again. Dude is awful.

 

Problem might be between the ears, he just seems like he has no plan at the plate.

[Stangstag]

Hopefully it's the last time we ever see Craig Biggio's son in a Blue Jays game again. Dude is awful.

 

JuniorFelix54?

[connorp]

JuniorFelix54?

 

Maybe he’s Keith Law

[connorp]

Cavan Biggio having long COVID would actually explain a lot lmao

 

I’m telling you they’re searching for stuff to keep the kids confidence up. Dude you got a stuffy nose, it’s probably long Covid and that’s why you’re 1 for 30 with an excuse me hit

[Stangstag]

I’m telling you they’re searching for stuff to keep the kids confidence up. Dude you got a stuffy nose, it’s probably long Covid and that’s why you’re 1 for 30 with an excuse me hit

 

Like some others have suggested here, I think he needs to go back to AAA for a month. He’s just got too much pressure to perform and he’s seeing guys like Espinal and Tapia take his job every time they come up with a big hit or nice defensive play.

 

Its actually crazy how his abilities seem to have completely taken a nosedive since he was made the everyday third baseman at the start of 2021. He just hasn’t looked right at all.

 

I still think there’s an above average 2nd baseman in there. Might take a trip to AAA, might take a change of scenery.

[Eat My Shatkins]

I wonder if Biggio is a guy the Jays FO looks to trade? Maybe he needs a change of scenery on a team where he isn't blocked everywhere and can iron things out by playing everyday....kind of like Tellez.

 

Jays got 3.5 years of a quality reliever like Richards for Tellez last season, maybe they can add another good reliever with control for Biggio? Bullpen is doing well so far, but injuries are likely to happen eventually.

[Stangstag]

I wonder if Biggio is a guy the Jays FO looks to trade? Maybe he needs a change of scenery on a team where he isn't blocked everywhere and can iron things out by playing everyday....kind of like Tellez.

 

Jays got 3.5 years of a quality reliever like Richards for Tellez last season, maybe they can add another good reliever with control for Biggio? Bullpen is doing well so far, but injuries are likely to happen eventually.

 

Maybe yeah. The organization is flush with infield talent and if Biggio doesn’t show something soon he doesn’t really have a spot on this team.

[connorp]

Like some others have suggested here, I think he needs to go back to AAA for a month. He’s just got too much pressure to perform and he’s seeing guys like Espinal and Tapia take his job every time they come up with a big hit or nice defensive play.

 

Its actually crazy how his abilities seem to have completely taken a nosedive since he was made the everyday third baseman at the start of 2021. He just hasn’t looked right at all.

 

I still think there’s an above average 2nd baseman in there. Might take a trip to AAA, might take a change of scenery.

 

As I’ve said, as a Jay fan I’m not rooting against him. But he’s been f***ing terrible. Someone else needs to get some kind of shot and he’s got to go to Buffalo and see if he can figure something out, but it’s not looking good for him

[Terminator]

As I’ve said, as a Jay fan I’m not rooting against him. But he’s been f***ing terrible. Someone else needs to get some kind of shot and he’s got to go to Buffalo and see if he can figure something out, but it’s not looking good for him

 

Been saying this since he lost his job to Espinal on the 3rd day of the season.

[Terminator]

JuniorFelix54?

 

Maybe he’s Keith Law

 

Nope, just a fan who understands how to read a statcast page is all.

[Signal]

I know, when Bo gets going he is a terror and an outstanding #2 in the lineup. No argument there. But, I find it ridiculous that you have to keep a player at the top of the lineup and in particular hitting ahead of Vladdy when he is already struck out 20 times, has a TERRIBLE on base percentage. I really do not understand why the lineup is not a tad more fluid, especially at the beginning of the year.

 

Hell, due to injury, Tapia was placed at the top of the lineup and it unlocked something in him and he began to hit. Maybe, just maybe, going out every damn game with the same lineup, no matter what a player is presently doing at the plate is not necessarily the right approach. I would mix it up a bit and IF a player is in a terrible slump, then why not move him around the lineup...to see what might happen. I do know this, that the Jays are not putting up a lot of runs as is. If it is simply a matter of ego over team than I can understand that and well, wish it were not the case.

 

Right now, the fact that Vladdy is not and HAS not batted second is a head scratcher. How many times has he been left holding his bat unable to swing because Bo ended an important inning?

 

I shall remain silent from here on out.

[Olerud363]

IÂ’m telling you theyÂ’re searching for stuff to keep the kids confidence up. Dude you got a stuffy nose, itÂ’s probably long Covid and thatÂ’s why youÂ’re 1 for 30 with an excuse me hit

 

Long Covid, from what I hear is pretty serious (this is baseball related as long Covid can effect attention span and reflexes, and I think could cause performance issues for a baseball player).

 

Interestingly, in some posts I expressed disagreement with the Canadian border rules, some took this to mean I did not think the vax works, or I'm one these Covid deniers. Not the case at all. I simply think the risk of an unvaccinated but tested daily, and isolated (other than games) individual is actually smaller than the risk of a vaccinated but untested and un-isolated visitor. Just to say that the border restriction could have been done another way, that would be just as safe.

[glory]

I wonder if Biggio is a guy the Jays FO looks to trade? Maybe he needs a change of scenery on a team where he isn't blocked everywhere and can iron things out by playing everyday....kind of like Tellez.

 

Jays got 3.5 years of a quality reliever like Richards for Tellez last season, maybe they can add another good reliever with control for Biggio? Bullpen is doing well so far, but injuries are likely to happen eventually.

 

Yeah I think Biggio is moved some time between now and the deadline. Injuries will happen and maybe he will play more then, but I think they have soured on him. Some team will look at his last name and his 2019-2020 numbers and give up something for him, probably not much, but something useful that would help the Jays.

[BigCecil]

Long Covid, from what I hear is pretty serious (this is baseball related as long Covid can effect attention span and reflexes, and I think could cause performance issues for a baseball player).

 

Interestingly, in some posts I expressed disagreement with the Canadian border rules, some took this to mean I did not think the vax works, or I'm one these Covid deniers. Not the case at all. I simply think the risk of an unvaccinated but tested daily, and isolated (other than games) individual is actually smaller than the risk of a vaccinated but untested and un-isolated visitor. Just to say that the border restriction could have been done another way, that would be just as safe.

 

My friends nephew plays in the NHL. 32 and in perfect shape. Got C-19 in early 21 and felt better in 4-5 days. Was back on the ice.

 

Then sick again. Now long covid and cant walk a half mile with his family. Slowly feeling a bit better but for a long time he thought his career was over. It still may be.

 

This is an anomaly obviously but its interesting/concerning what happens a percentage of people from this long term.