Around Baseball 2022

[Spanky99]

Semien Seager and DeGrom all high chance of being traded in 2-3 years unless they have NTC or 5/10 rights and don't want to go.

 

They all have that, bro.

[saskjayfan]

DeGrom is amazing but that contract is asinine. The guy will be lucky to crack 500 innings over the 5 years of the deal, there's just so much likely dead money in this deal. The Rangers said they were going to spend "stupid money" last offseason, and that's just continued.

 

Basically any pitcher that you sign to a long term commitment immediately has TJ risk even if they've never had injury problems at all in the past. I get the recent shoulder, forearm issues with Degrom, but he rarely missed a start for 4 years from 2017 to 2020. The doctors do medicals. If they think he's fully healthy and his injury risk is only marginally higher than any other 34 year old pitcher you'd be signing why not go for it. The Rangers from a pure talent perspective will open 2023 with one of the most talent pitchers in baseball history. No guts, no glory. If they get 3 out of 5 years and help return their franchise to relevance and glory, it's probably worth it.

[Jimcanuck]

Basically any pitcher that you sign to a long term commitment immediately has TJ risk even if they've never had injury problems at all in the past. I get the recent shoulder, forearm issues with Degrom, but he rarely missed a start for 4 years from 2017 to 2020. The doctors do medicals. If they think he's fully healthy and his injury risk is only marginally higher than any other 34 year old pitcher you'd be signing why not go for it. The Rangers from a pure talent perspective will open 2023 with one of the most talent pitchers in baseball history. No guts, no glory. If they get 3 out of 5 years and help return their franchise to relevance and glory, it's probably worth it.

 

Holy s*** he's 34? Thought he was younger.

 

Half of the Rangers player salary is going to be on the IL

 

Can't think of any teams that had a few stars and a bunch of nothing and won. Look at the Angels.

[Krylian]

Boring. Brewers are never doing anything.

 

Terrified to make a mistake

[max silver]

Basically any pitcher that you sign to a long term commitment immediately has TJ risk even if they've never had injury problems at all in the past. I get the recent shoulder, forearm issues with Degrom, but he rarely missed a start for 4 years from 2017 to 2020. The doctors do medicals. If they think he's fully healthy and his injury risk is only marginally higher than any other 34 year old pitcher you'd be signing why not go for it. The Rangers from a pure talent perspective will open 2023 with one of the most talent pitchers in baseball history. No guts, no glory. If they get 3 out of 5 years and help return their franchise to relevance and glory, it's probably worth it.

 

It's said that in baseball the best predictor for future injury is prior injuries, particularly in the most recent season. So there's strike one against deGrom. He's in his mid 30's and this deal is paying an extremely injury probe pitcher until he's nearly 40. There's strike 2. When deGrom was able to remain healthy he wasn't averaging 99 MPH with his heater and featuring a 93 MPH slider. I just think there's a limit to what the human body can handle, and deGrom has likely pushed well beyond that limit in recent seasons. There's strike 3 for why I think this contract is more than likely to explode in the Rangers faces.

[connorp]

It's said that in baseball the best predictor for future injury is prior injuries, particularly in the most recent season. So there's strike one against deGrom. He's in his mid 30's and this deal is paying an extremely injury probe pitcher until he's nearly 40. There's strike 2. When deGrom was able to remain healthy he wasn't averaging 99 MPH with his heater and featuring a 93 MPH slider. I just think there's a limit to what the human body can handle, and deGrom has likely pushed well beyond that limit in recent seasons. There's strike 3 for why I think this contract is more than likely to explode in the Rangers faces.

 

Does 1 WAR=$10m still? Or is more? I wouldn’t bet against 18 WAR for the life of the contract

[max silver]

Does 1 WAR=$10m still? Or is more? I wouldn’t bet against 18 WAR for the life of the contract

 

I was thinking of that as well, deGrom is so damn good that he might actually provide a little "value" without pitching that many innings. On the other hand I wouldn't be surprised for him to suffer a career altering injury and not return with the same type of ultra elite stuff that he features presently.

[Ehjays]

[Laika]

Does 1 WAR=$10m still? Or is more? I wouldn’t bet against 18 WAR for the life of the contract

 

Yeah, a bit less actually. The cost of WAR stopped inflating several years ago for whatever reason

[glory]

 

Goes without saying, this makes a lot of sense for the Jays.

[Ehjays]

 

Goes without saying, this makes a lot of sense for the Jays.

 

Cool, Let the bidding begin

[L54]

If deGrom had been healthy the last two years he would’ve got 5/225 or something ridiculous. His price reflects the injury risk

 

The dumb part is a team like Texas taking that risk

[Jays24]

 

Goes without saying, this makes a lot of sense for the Jays.

 

Is his CF defense good enough to move Springer to RF?

[Sammy225]

Cool, Let the bidding begin

 

This makes so much sense for the jays. This is one of the guys I would give kirk or Moreno up for

[Jonn]

 

Goes without saying, this makes a lot of sense for the Jays.

 

Yes please. Perfect fit. Jays have what it takes to get this done as well.

[Brownie19]

The DeGrom deal is likely to provide the highest cost per start in MLB history....and still could provide surplus value. That's insane

[Brownie19]

Ray Davis is trying to keep up with Elon Musk as the person who wastes the most money.

[Captain_Obvious]

Yes please. Perfect fit. Jays have what it takes to get this done as well.

 

No, they don't. Pittsburg does not need catchers.

[Eat My Shatkins]

Problem with Reynolds is he's coming off a 2.9 WAR season after putting up a 6.1 WAR season.

 

Pirates will want value for the 2021 season, while bidders will be pointing squarely at the huge drop off last season.

 

But yeah, switch hitting CFer in his prime would really fit the Jays like a glove right now.

 

Too bad the Pirates aren't hard up for catchers, would sure help.

 

Would friggen love to see some sort of blockbuster where we somehow get Bednar too.

[Ehjays]

Cool, Let the bidding begin

 

forget it!

 

[Jimcanuck]

Yes please. Perfect fit. Jays have what it takes to get this done as well.

 

who?

[connorp]

I was thinking of that as well, deGrom is so damn good that he might actually provide a little "value" without pitching that many innings. On the other hand I wouldn't be surprised for him to suffer a career altering injury and not return with the same type of ultra elite stuff that he features presently.

 

No doubt there’s risk. But also possible value in there as well. I’m assuming any major injury is covered by insurance, so it’s not totally accurate to say that period would be a “loss”, though it would count against the cap. But anything major, you can technically take that period off the term. Obviously it doesn’t cover if he comes back lesser.. though Degrom has plenty of room to come back lesser and still be good.

 

Not to mention the “playoff bonus”. I mean it’s a wild hypothetical, but honestly how much would teams pay DeGrom if he could only pitch in the playoffs? I’m guessing $20m for sure. Clemens at 40+ was getting it for a couple regular season months. Tex obvious has to make it there to reap the rewards, and have HD healthy

[Dick_Pole]

Salty Mets fans with terrible takes on Twitter is my fuel for the day:

 

[Ehjays]

forget it!

 

 

The Bucs have since released a statement on the trade request:

 

“While it is disappointing, this will have zero impact on our decision-making this off-season or in the future. Our goal is to improve the Pirates for 2023 and beyond. With three years remaining until he hits free agency, Bryan remains a key member of our team. We look forward to him having a great season for the Pirates.”

[G-Snarls]

Pffft

 

Pirates never do anything to actually get better

[connorp]

The Bucs have since released a statement on the trade request:

 

“While it is disappointing, this will have zero impact on our decision-making this off-season or in the future. Our goal is to improve the Pirates for 2023 and beyond. With three years remaining until he hits free agency, Bryan remains a key member of our team. We look forward to him having a great season for the Pirates.”

 

Good for them. What’s he Juan Soto?

[Carlos Danger]

Pffft

 

Pirates never do anything to actually get better

 

As has been pointed out, this is a newer regime. I believe Cherington and others who ended up there had a lot to do with why the Blue Jays are good now.

 

The Pirates have a lot in the pipe or on the cusp and I think when it is the right time, they will make the moves. I wouldn’t be surprised to see them competitive this year.

[Ehjays]

[Ehjays]

[L54]

I would love Andrew Heaney