Jays 2021/22 General Off-Season Discussion

[Spanky99]

 

Makes sense.

[Deadpool]

 

"Rule 5...is cancelled..."

 

Is that a legit possibility? Would be a decent year for that to happen for the Jays.

[Ehjays]

"Rule 5...is cancelled..."

 

Is that a legit possibility? Would be a decent year for that to happen for the Jays.

 

I hope its a possibility.

[jerb]

 

jonah

@yyzsportsmedia

 

While it doesn't look like we will have real baseball games any time soon, more sources confirm the return of Buck, Tabby et all with no changes to @BlueJays TV broadcasts. Radio unclear

[RustyTrombone]

 

jonah

@yyzsportsmedia

 

While it doesn't look like we will have real baseball games any time soon, more sources confirm the return of Buck, Tabby et all with no changes to @BlueJays TV broadcasts. Radio unclear

 

Oh god no. Well sounds like it will be another year of listening to the other teams broadcast.

[Brownie19]

 

jonah

@yyzsportsmedia

 

While it doesn't look like we will have real baseball games any time soon, more sources confirm the return of Buck, Tabby et all with no changes to @BlueJays TV broadcasts. Radio unclear

 

[Krylian]

 

jonah

@yyzsportsmedia

 

While it doesn't look like we will have real baseball games any time soon, more sources confirm the return of Buck, Tabby et all with no changes to @BlueJays TV broadcasts. Radio unclear

 

[InsideThePark]

"Rule 5...is cancelled..."

 

Is that a legit possibility? Would be a decent year for that to happen for the Jays.

 

I feel like that's not something the players would be ok with. It's literally one of 2 avenues that prevent teams from holding players back if they good enough, the other being option years. Given the fact protecting players has already happened it wouldn't be a total farce, but players who are good enough need to be available to be taken if not protected., otherwise that's a free year teams get to hold guys back.

 

I'd be happy to not lose any of the Jays though as there's a couple I'm concerned we lose.

[Spanky99]

I feel like that's not something the players would be ok with. It's literally one of 2 avenues that prevent teams from holding players back if they good enough, the other being option years. Given the fact protecting players has already happened it wouldn't be a total farce, but players who are good enough need to be available to be taken if not protected., otherwise that's a free year teams get to hold guys back.

 

I'd be happy to not lose any of the Jays though as there's a couple I'm concerned we lose.

 

Yeah, namely Taylor and Spraker, they should've punted McGuire. Also, good post I agree, players won't allow that, I wouldn't think?

[Deadpool]

I feel like that's not something the players would be ok with. It's literally one of 2 avenues that prevent teams from holding players back if they good enough, the other being option years. Given the fact protecting players has already happened it wouldn't be a total farce, but players who are good enough need to be available to be taken if not protected., otherwise that's a free year teams get to hold guys back.

 

I'd be happy to not lose any of the Jays though as there's a couple I'm concerned we lose.

 

Union doesn't care about MiLB players though, so they won't really care about it (maybe they'd consider it a "concession", but it wouldn't be a big one...)

[Dick_Pole]

There's another side of looking at it. Rule 5 is a way for cheap/poor/bad teams to try to get better in a way that avoids paying big salaries. Pick a near-MLB ready player and pay him the league minimum to take up a roster spot (you don't care since you're tanking anyways). Hope you catch lightning in a bottle and have a cost-controlled player.

 

Let's put it this way using an extreme example. If a team was to roster 26 Rule 5 picks and go for 40 wins on the season, would the union be happy with it? Good teams trying to compete can't afford to use up a roster spot with a Rule 5 pick. They would rather fill it with a veteran back up and pay him $1-$3M.

[InsideThePark]

Union doesn't care about MiLB players though, so they won't really care about it (maybe they'd consider it a "concession", but it wouldn't be a big one...)

 

It doesn't feel like a thing you'd bargain though. There's always a rule 5 draft, they're not debating about whether they're removing it for good, that's not on the table. So it shouldn't be on the table to remove it this year. It's just an annoyance about rescheduling it. Really it should have been moved up to before Dec 1st to begin with. But it takes like an hour to complete and I'm sure teams have prepared for it already. They should be able to fit it in.

[jerb]

[Ray]

Teoscar is also training with Vladdy, and he’s looking great:

Teoscar Hernández (@elchino242) • Instagram photo

WWW.INSTAGRAM.COM

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5,505 likes, 42 comments - elchino242 on February 27, 2022: "Rodéate de personas que te ayuden a descubrir todo el potencial que dentro de ti se encuentra🙏🏽💪🏽🙌🏽 #Diosprimero#fortunatrainingfacility @josefortunaafit @vladdyjr27".

 

I know people here wanted to sell high on him this offseason, but I think he’s going to have a monster season and get even better. He had another season of cutting his K-rate and increasing his contact while maintaining his power numbers for the most part. I’m predicting somewhere around a .950 OPS. Hope they can get something done with him this offseason. Maybe somewhere in the neighbourhood of $70M-$80M over 5-6 years makes sense for both sides.

[RustyTrombone]

Teoscar is also training with Vladdy, and he’s looking great:

Teoscar Hernández (@elchino242) • Instagram photo

WWW.INSTAGRAM.COM

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5,505 likes, 42 comments - elchino242 on February 27, 2022: "Rodéate de personas que te ayuden a descubrir todo el potencial que dentro de ti se encuentra🙏🏽💪🏽🙌🏽 #Diosprimero#fortunatrainingfacility @josefortunaafit @vladdyjr27".

 

I know people here wanted to sell high on him this offseason, but I think he’s going to have a monster season and get even better. He had another season of cutting his K-rate and increasing his contact while maintaining his power numbers for the most part. I’m predicting somewhere around a .950 OPS. Hope they can get something done with him this offseason. Maybe somewhere in the neighbourhood of $70M-$80M over 5-6 years makes sense for both sides.

 

Dude a .950 ops would make him like a 6+ WAR player, a borderline MVP. You are dreaming if you EXPECT that from him. To hope he can do that one or twice over the next few years, maybe. But realistically we should be ecstatic if he can repeat 2021 for the next 3 or 4 years. And if he DOES have a .950 ops season in him you can expect his contract demands to go way up to like close to Springer territory like 5 years 120M.

[John_Havok]

Teoscar is also training with Vladdy, and he’s looking great:

Teoscar Hernández (@elchino242) • Instagram photo

WWW.INSTAGRAM.COM

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5,505 likes, 42 comments - elchino242 on February 27, 2022: "Rodéate de personas que te ayuden a descubrir todo el potencial que dentro de ti se encuentra🙏🏽💪🏽🙌🏽 #Diosprimero#fortunatrainingfacility @josefortunaafit @vladdyjr27".

 

I know people here wanted to sell high on him this offseason, but I think he’s going to have a monster season and get even better. He had another season of cutting his K-rate and increasing his contact while maintaining his power numbers for the most part. I’m predicting somewhere around a .950 OPS. Hope they can get something done with him this offseason. Maybe somewhere in the neighbourhood of $70M-$80M over 5-6 years makes sense for both sides.

 

I dont WANT to sell high on Teo just because, I think it might be a necessity to try and keep Bo and Vlad in the fold beside all the other big dollar deals on the books already. Can't keep them all unfortunately.

[Spanky99]

Teoscar is also training with Vladdy, and he’s looking great:

Teoscar Hernández (@elchino242) • Instagram photo

WWW.INSTAGRAM.COM

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5,505 likes, 42 comments - elchino242 on February 27, 2022: "Rodéate de personas que te ayuden a descubrir todo el potencial que dentro de ti se encuentra🙏🏽💪🏽🙌🏽 #Diosprimero#fortunatrainingfacility @josefortunaafit @vladdyjr27".

 

I know people here wanted to sell high on him this offseason, but I think he’s going to have a monster season and get even better. He had another season of cutting his K-rate and increasing his contact while maintaining his power numbers for the most part. I’m predicting somewhere around a .950 OPS. Hope they can get something done with him this offseason. Maybe somewhere in the neighbourhood of $70M-$80M over 5-6 years makes sense for both sides.

 

Teo always looks great, and high AF... those are some lofty wishes, mate. Hope your right, but you can't keep everyone. We'll see how that unfolds.

[Ehjays]

Blue Jays Sign Eric Stamets To Minor League Deal

By Steve Adams | March 4, 2022 at 12:26pm CDT

 

The Blue Jays have signed shortstop Eric Stamets to a minor league contract, per an announcement from his agents at MSM Sports (Twitter link). Stamets spent last season in the Rockies’ minor league system and became a minor league free agent at season’s end, which made him eligible to sign even during the ongoing lockout.

 

Stamets, 30, has 15 games of big league experience, all coming with Cleveland back in 2019, when he was their Opening Day shortstop. (Francisco Lindor was on the injured list due to a calf strain.) Stamets struggled through a prolonged 2-for-41 slump to begin the season, however, and was back in Triple-A Columbus by mid-April. Stamets hit .244/.312/.379 in Columbus over the remainder of that season and was eventually removed from the 40-man roster after the trade deadline had passed.

 

Stamets reached minor league free agency in the 2019-20 offseason and signed a minor league deal with the Rockies, who brought him back for a second season in 2021. He hit .168/.283/.319 in 139 plate appearances in Colorado’s system last year and is a career .223/.295/.371 hitter in parts of five Triple-A seasons overall.

 

While Stamets obviously doesn’t have a strong offensive track record, Baseball America twice rated him the fastest runner and the best defensive infielder in the Angels’ system early in his pro career. He’s been successful in 85.2% of his professional stolen base attempts and is generally regarded as an excellent defensive shortstop who can also handle second base and third base.

 

The Jays’ infield currently has Bo Bichette at shortstop, and Cavan Biggio is ticketed for regular reps at either second or third base (more likely the former). Santiago Espinal is the current favorite to see time at third base, while infielders Kevin Smith and Otto Lopez could both vie for bench jobs whenever the season gets underway.

 

Toronto is generally expected to look into additional help in the infield, as evidenced by their reported pursuit of Corey Seager (before he signed in Texas) and their rumored interest in A’s third baseman Matt Chapman (among other trade possibilities). Stamets is likely seen as some upper-level infield depth, but he’d give them plenty of speed and defense off the bench if he earns a bench spot at some point. Any further infield additions would likely push Espinal into a bench role.

[John_Havok]

Blue Jays Sign Eric Stamets To Minor League Deal

By Steve Adams | March 4, 2022 at 12:26pm CDT

 

The Blue Jays have signed shortstop Eric Stamets to a minor league contract, per an announcement from his agents at MSM Sports (Twitter link). Stamets spent last season in the Rockies’ minor league system and became a minor league free agent at season’s end, which made him eligible to sign even during the ongoing lockout.

 

Stamets, 30, has 15 games of big league experience, all coming with Cleveland back in 2019, when he was their Opening Day shortstop. (Francisco Lindor was on the injured list due to a calf strain.) Stamets struggled through a prolonged 2-for-41 slump to begin the season, however, and was back in Triple-A Columbus by mid-April. Stamets hit .244/.312/.379 in Columbus over the remainder of that season and was eventually removed from the 40-man roster after the trade deadline had passed.

 

Stamets reached minor league free agency in the 2019-20 offseason and signed a minor league deal with the Rockies, who brought him back for a second season in 2021. He hit .168/.283/.319 in 139 plate appearances in Colorado’s system last year and is a career .223/.295/.371 hitter in parts of five Triple-A seasons overall.

 

While Stamets obviously doesn’t have a strong offensive track record, Baseball America twice rated him the fastest runner and the best defensive infielder in the Angels’ system early in his pro career. He’s been successful in 85.2% of his professional stolen base attempts and is generally regarded as an excellent defensive shortstop who can also handle second base and third base.

 

The Jays’ infield currently has Bo Bichette at shortstop, and Cavan Biggio is ticketed for regular reps at either second or third base (more likely the former). Santiago Espinal is the current favorite to see time at third base, while infielders Kevin Smith and Otto Lopez could both vie for bench jobs whenever the season gets underway.

 

Toronto is generally expected to look into additional help in the infield, as evidenced by their reported pursuit of Corey Seager (before he signed in Texas) and their rumored interest in A’s third baseman Matt Chapman (among other trade possibilities). Stamets is likely seen as some upper-level infield depth, but he’d give them plenty of speed and defense off the bench if he earns a bench spot at some point. Any further infield additions would likely push Espinal into a bench role.

 

Gross. Hope he never sees the field in the bigs unless literally everyone else on the 40 man roster is injured or dead.

[Ehjays]

Gross. Hope he never sees the field in the bigs unless literally everyone else on the 40 man roster is injured or dead.

 

I understand its only a minor league deal, but do we really need him? I used to think as a team, you can never sign a bad minor league contract. I think this is a perfect example of a bad one.....I think we have enough prospects that need that playin time over this guy.

[Krylian]

17 years, $500M for Vladdy?

 

[Ehjays]

17 years, $500M for Vladdy?

 

 

Lol, actually I watch these guys when they have Jays prospects on it. They have had over 30 of them on. Here is a highlight video.

Some are quite enjoyable. and no I dont think Vladdy will get 500. He is gonna have a big payday, but not 500.

[InsideThePark]

I understand its only a minor league deal, but do we really need him? I used to think as a team, you can never sign a bad minor league contract. I think this is a perfect example of a bad one.....I think we have enough prospects that need that playin time over this guy.

 

Prospects on the 40 man roster can't play in the minors until there's a CBA. That means no Lopez, Smith or Jimenez. This is probably just backfill for those minor league spots in case there's no CBA anytime soon.

[wamco]

Assuming 30m left to spend and about 5 m coming in these trades-

 

Votto

Moose

Castillo

For

Ryu

 

Kimbrel

#11 prospect of micker afolfo 25 hr last year

For

Grichuck

Kirk

[Key22]

17 years, $500M for Vladdy?

 

 

That's a tough contract for an average defensive First baseman - I mean the bat is great and it's not my money so I hope they do it but I also think about Pujols and Prince Fielder and Ryan Howard. Do you want to have a possible albatross for the last 7 years of the deal?

 

Bo Bichette made sense but I was listening to one of those shows where apparently he ranked as the worst starting shortstop on defence. I believe they said he ranked 52nd in SS defence.

 

I understand they were after Seager so it appears they have $30m at least to spend. Now the rumours are Freddy Freeman which makes sense as a bat but nowhere to play. And he will run $30m+ for 7-8 years. Presumably, they have spoken to Correa ($350m/10) but Correa seems to be the best fit as a big-money player because he plays above-average defence and that moves Bo to second or third - if Bo really is as crappy defensively as what the guys on the talk show rate him as then it makes more sense to land Correa - as I doubt they would have offered Seager the money to play second. Even with the right-handed bat.

[Dick_Pole]

Blue Jays Sign Eric Stamets To Minor League Deal

By Steve Adams | March 4, 2022 at 12:26pm CDT

 

The Blue Jays have signed shortstop Eric Stamets to a minor league contract, per an announcement from his agents at MSM Sports (Twitter link). Stamets spent last season in the RockiesÂ’ minor league system and became a minor league free agent at seasonÂ’s end, which made him eligible to sign even during the ongoing lockout.

 

Stamets, 30, has 15 games of big league experience, all coming with Cleveland back in 2019, when he was their Opening Day shortstop. (Francisco Lindor was on the injured list due to a calf strain.) Stamets struggled through a prolonged 2-for-41 slump to begin the season, however, and was back in Triple-A Columbus by mid-April. Stamets hit .244/.312/.379 in Columbus over the remainder of that season and was eventually removed from the 40-man roster after the trade deadline had passed.

 

Stamets reached minor league free agency in the 2019-20 offseason and signed a minor league deal with the Rockies, who brought him back for a second season in 2021. He hit .168/.283/.319 in 139 plate appearances in ColoradoÂ’s system last year and is a career .223/.295/.371 hitter in parts of five Triple-A seasons overall.

 

While Stamets obviously doesnÂ’t have a strong offensive track record, Baseball America twice rated him the fastest runner and the best defensive infielder in the AngelsÂ’ system early in his pro career. HeÂ’s been successful in 85.2% of his professional stolen base attempts and is generally regarded as an excellent defensive shortstop who can also handle second base and third base.

 

The JaysÂ’ infield currently has Bo Bichette at shortstop, and Cavan Biggio is ticketed for regular reps at either second or third base (more likely the former). Santiago Espinal is the current favorite to see time at third base, while infielders Kevin Smith and Otto Lopez could both vie for bench jobs whenever the season gets underway.

 

Toronto is generally expected to look into additional help in the infield, as evidenced by their reported pursuit of Corey Seager (before he signed in Texas) and their rumored interest in AÂ’s third baseman Matt Chapman (among other trade possibilities). Stamets is likely seen as some upper-level infield depth, but heÂ’d give them plenty of speed and defense off the bench if he earns a bench spot at some point. Any further infield additions would likely push Espinal into a bench role.

 

Career .049 batting average. That might be the worst all time for anyone outside of 0-fers. Too lazy to check for myself.

[Laika]

Career .049 batting average. That might be the worst all time for anyone outside of 0-fers. Too lazy to check for myself.

 

There are probably pitchers who are like 0-130

[Laika]

I found an OF who hit .025 in his 10 game career

 

https://www.fangraphs.com/players/skeeter-shelton/1011861/stats?position=OF

[Brownie19]

I found an OF who hit .025 in his 10 game career

 

https://www.fangraphs.com/players/skeeter-shelton/1011861/stats?position=OF

 

0.033 BABIP - poor guy got f***ed over by bad luck his entire career!

[Terminator]

If the shift goes away do defensive specialists become more valuable? This guy hits so poorly that I don't think he'll be anything other than an org guy but just curious in general.