Rosterbation Discussion Thread (2021)

[connorp]

Also, why'd you ghost your Hockey Dynasty League... Booooo!!!

 

You should report this to Canadian authorities. Possible they pull his passport

[connorp]

I’m also of the opinion where Jays don’t NEED another big bat (Vegas odds support this), it’d be very nice.

[L54]

You think replacing the Cy Young winner with Gausman and replacing Matz with Kikuchi nets us close to 7 wins? I don't think so. Break even at best.

 

No I think full seasons from Berrios, Manoah and Kikuchi + 130 games from Springer + Biggio not being Ryan Goins + an improved pen cover the WAR lost from Semien.

 

Yes I exaggerated the rotation part but my point is the team doesn’t need a 7 WAR infielder to replicate last years team.

[AdamGreenwood]

Some good points here.

While we already had Berrios and Manoah, a full season of them should make a big difference.

But assuming we'll be injury free this year, and adding up the additional Springer WAR seems a bit optimistic. We actually did pretty well in avoiding injuries last year.

I'd expect to have similar or worse injury luck this year.

[Deadpool]

Some good points here.

While we already had Berrios and Manoah, a full season of them should make a big difference.

But assuming we'll be injury free this year, and adding up the additional Springer WAR seems a bit optimistic. We actually did pretty well in avoiding injuries last year.

I'd expect to have similar or worse injury luck this year.

 

If you could plan on injuries before they happened this would be a lot easier. Best you can do is amass as much depth as possible. We have some guys in the minors who could absolutely step in and cover short term injuries w/o sending the whole team into the dumpster, but if we lose Vladdy and Bo or Berrios and Gausman for the year there's not much we could do from a depth perspective to cover that, not even trading for Ramirez.

[Spanky99]

You should report this to Canadian authorities. Possible they pull his passport

 

Achmed, FTW!!!

[L54]

Jays were lucky with injuries last year even tho George missed half the year

 

Current team is good enough to make the post season and as we just saw that’s all you have to do. Exciting year ahead!

[Spanky99]

Some good points here.

While we already had Berrios and Manoah, a full season of them should make a big difference.

But assuming we'll be injury free this year, and adding up the additional Springer WAR seems a bit optimistic. We actually did pretty well in avoiding injuries last year.

I'd expect to have similar or worse injury luck this year.

 

C'mon man?!

[Scion]

Also, why'd you ghost your Hockey Dynasty League... Booooo!!!

 

Yeah, that is my fault for even committing. I'm working 4 jobs and going to school full time and should have known better.

[Ray]

We had 32 starts made throughout the season between guys like Trent Thornton, a wild Nate Pearson, Tanner Roark, Anthony Kay, TJ Zeuch, & Tommy Milone. That will be hopefully replaced by a full season of Berrios (that is massive), and 12 more starts of Manoah. Gausman and Ray project for the same value. Same with Kikuchi and Matz. The rotation is actually in a better spot than 2021 because it's solidified for the entire season (knocking on wood that no one gets injured). Hopefully Springer gives us a full season. For all of Biggio's faults, he's still projected to be a 2 WAR guy next season.

 

We don't have to replace 7 WAR by Semien. It's probably closer to even than most people think. Not too worried either, because I think a big bat is coming, but even if it isn't, I'm quite happy with the roster we have. An impact bat would just send us over the top.

[Deadpool]

We had 32 starts made throughout the season between guys like Trent Thornton, a wild Nate Pearson, Tanner Roark, Anthony Kay, TJ Zeuch, & Tommy Milone. That will be hopefully replaced by a full season of Berrios (that is massive), and 12 more starts of Manoah. Gausman and Ray project for the same value. Same with Kikuchi and Matz. The rotation is actually in a better spot than 2021 because it's solidified for the entire season (knocking on wood that no one gets injured). Hopefully Springer gives us a full season. For all of Biggio's faults, he's still projected to be a 2 WAR guy next season.

 

We don't have to replace 7 WAR by Semien. It's probably closer to even than most people think. Not too worried either, because I think a big bat is coming, but even if it isn't, I'm quite happy with the roster we have. An impact bat would just send us over the top.

 

I'd completely forgotten about Tommy Milone. Thanks for bringing back THAT painful memory...

[Jays24]

Off-Season is not over, sky isn't falling, mate.

 

Ya I get that. Deadpool was saying he'd be happy with the lineup he outlined while I said it would be disappointing considering the huge downgrade from Semien to Smith/Espinal.

[max silver]

Fair enough, but there has to be significant improvement somewhere to make up for Semien's lost WAR. Most of the moves to this point have been either lateral (Gausman) or marginal adds with upside (Kikuchi and Garcia). To keep pace in this division I think the Jays need at least one more significant acquisition, preferably in the infield. Hoping that Biggio and Espinal will be solid everyday contributors is poor roster construction IMO.

 

Matt Chapman is the target I hope the Jays acquire because I'm very skeptical about the teams ability to defend.

 

I think the biggest offensive addition the club is likely to make at this point is going to be a midseason addition of Gabriel Moreno. I would love to see an infield addition, but I'm not sure who is available that moves the needle sufficiently to make the acquisition cost worthwhile.

 

The club was rumored to be in both the Semien and Seager sweepstakes so there should be available payroll space for another big ticket acquisition, but aside from Correa who would really be worthwhile as a free agency target for the infield? Story would be nice but he's reportedly not interested in moving off of short stop, Kris Bryant would technically fit but given the fact that he's a Boras client leads me to believe he likely won't be worth the contract he eventually receives.

 

The trade market has some interesting names. Jose Ramirez would be amazing but I have a hard time seeing the front office moving somebody like Moreno or Martinez in return. Ketel Marte would be a great pickup but Arizona reportedly isn't interested in trading him. Matt Chapman would be a good fit, but Oakland is supposedly shooting for the moon in trade talks. Josh Donaldson would be a nice pickup but I suspect the front office isn't interested given cultural fit concerns.

[Laika]

We had 32 starts made throughout the season between guys like Trent Thornton, a wild Nate Pearson, Tanner Roark, Anthony Kay, TJ Zeuch, & Tommy Milone. That will be hopefully replaced by a full season of Berrios (that is massive), and 12 more starts of Manoah. Gausman and Ray project for the same value. Same with Kikuchi and Matz. The rotation is actually in a better spot than 2021 because it's solidified for the entire season (knocking on wood that no one gets injured). Hopefully Springer gives us a full season. For all of Biggio's faults, he's still projected to be a 2 WAR guy next season.

 

We don't have to replace 7 WAR by Semien. It's probably closer to even than most people think. Not too worried either, because I think a big bat is coming, but even if it isn't, I'm quite happy with the roster we have. An impact bat would just send us over the top.

 

Yeah and with a young team you can reasonably project no decline from the stars (Bo and Vlad and Berrios) and improvements from some of the pre-prime players (Biggio, Jansen, Kirk). Also a win or two extra from Springer.

 

The only two I expect less production from in 2022 are probably Teoscar and Ryu. But Teo might be legit and hold steady.

[Brownie19]

Yeah and with a young team you can reasonably project no decline from the stars (Bo and Vlad and Berrios) and improvements from some of the pre-prime players (Biggio, Jansen, Kirk). Also a win or two extra from Springer.

 

The only two I expect less production from in 2022 are probably Teoscar and Ryu. But Teo might be legit and hold steady.

 

It's kind of depressing that most think Ryu will just continue to decline. We got like 12 good starts and then 5th starter s*** for $80M/4yrs?

[Grant77]

If the Twins get Trevor Story, I think we should approach them about flipping Gio Urshela. He could be a nice inexpensive option at 3B for us.

[Laika]

It's kind of depressing that most think Ryu will just continue to decline. We got like 12 good starts and then 5th starter s*** for $80M/4yrs?

 

4.4 fWAR so far for $27.4M (2020 salaries were pro-rated) so at least he has been more than worth it so far.

 

If he pitches like a league average guy in 2022 and then is at least a positive contributor in 2023 the contract will have been just fine.

[z3r0s]

I'm not really ready to stick a fork in Ryu yet. Hopefully he bounces back this year.

[Jimcanuck]

No 1 need right now is relegate Grichuk to the bench. Right now he’s in the starting 9. When that is done I’m perfectly happy with Espinal as the 3B and 9 hitter.

[z3r0s]

No 1 need right now is relegate Grichuk to the bench. Right now he’s in the starting 9. When that is done I’m perfectly happy with Espinal as the 3B and 9 hitter.

 

He pretty much is right now no? Assuming the starting OF is Gurriel, Springer, Teo and the DH is Kirk? Money aside, he's is a perfectly cromulent bench bat. Will probably get a decent amount of AB's however as guys cycle through DH to rest up.

 

Would be nice to grab another bat for sure, but in the best case scenario he's already on the bench.

[Brownie19]

He pretty much is right now no? Assuming the starting OF is Gurriel, Springer, Teo and the DH is Kirk? Money aside, he's is a perfectly cromulent bench bat. Will probably get a decent amount of AB's however as guys cycle through DH to rest up.

 

Would be nice to grab another bat for sure, but in the best case scenario he's already on the bench.

 

This is the correct lineup construction for our current roster. The issue is he knows that Charlie is still our manager and thus Randel will start too much.

[Grant77]

This is the correct lineup construction for our current roster. The issue is he knows that Charlie is still our manager and thus Randel will start too much.

 

Injury prone and part time RF George Springer is our CF and Randal Grichuk is our backup CF. Unless that changes, he gets a lot of at-bats. The quality of our DH options isn't the problem here.

[Jimcanuck]

He pretty much is right now no? Assuming the starting OF is Gurriel, Springer, Teo and the DH is Kirk? Money aside, he's is a perfectly cromulent bench bat. Will probably get a decent amount of AB's however as guys cycle through DH to rest up.

 

Would be nice to grab another bat for sure, but in the best case scenario he's already on the bench.

 

Maybe, but as currently constructed grichuk is getting 400 or more at bats. Conforto is ideal for this team imo cuz I expect Moreno to force his way on, pushing espy to the supersub role

[Brownie19]

Injury prone and part time RF George Springer is our CF and Randal Grichuk is our backup CF. Unless that changes, he gets a lot of at-bats. The quality of our DH options isn't the problem here.

 

So we need to upgrade out 4th OFer (who on average will get 400-500 at bats per year). OK - I guess. I hate Grichuk too, but he isn't the worst option in the world. Most teams aren't running out a 3 WAR 4th OFer. I think we have higher priorities and unless we can move Grichuk, I fully expect he's our 4th OFer for 2022.

[Jimcanuck]

Let’s not forget LGJ is the 1B on the days Vladito is DH. I see Grichuk getting too many s***** ABs

[Grant77]

So we need to upgrade out 4th OFer (who on average will get 400-500 at bats per year). OK - I guess. I hate Grichuk too, but he isn't the worst option in the world. Most teams aren't running out a 3 WAR 4th OFer. I think we have higher priorities and unless we can move Grichuk, I fully expect he's our 4th OFer for 2022.

 

I would explore trade options with him, but I don't think we're at the point where an average backup OF making too much money is doing tremendous harm to this team.

 

I see us adding an IF and using Kirk at DH, so the bench is probably going to be McGuire, Espinal, and Grichuk. A solid LH platoon guy would be a great fit for that last spot to fill in at DH. Eddie Rosario, Corey Dickerson, Joc Pederson, Colin Moran, and Brad Miller all fit the bill to some extent.

[Krylian]

Is everyone happy with the pen as it stands now?

[Eat My Shatkins]

Is everyone happy with the pen as it stands now?

 

Not me. I'd like to see another solid addition, like McHugh or Tepera.

[Laika]

I would explore trade options with him, but I don't think we're at the point where an average backup OF making too much money is doing tremendous harm to this team.

 

I see us adding an IF and using Kirk at DH, so the bench is probably going to be McGuire, Espinal, and Grichuk. A solid LH platoon guy would be a great fit for that last spot to fill in at DH. Eddie Rosario, Corey Dickerson, Joc Pederson, Colin Moran, and Brad Miller all fit the bill to some extent.

 

Yeah the Jays depth cascade is just a bit awkward.

 

A left handed bat who can play CF would fit well. I guess that's Palacios but he can't be relied on much.

 

Also a left handed infielder who could fall into a platoon with either Smith or Espinal would fit well. This could literally be Biggio if a bona fide starter at 2B or 3B of any handedness is brought in.

 

Lefties, lefties, lefties. Jays have zero good lefty bats even on the 40 man roster unless you consider Biggio one. Maybe this is why Greg Bird was brought in on the minor league deal.

 

Might have to be a trade though because you've named all the worthwhile lefties and the list is so short. And they are so flawed, all of them.

[BTS]

Brad Miller is a nice fit if they don't make a big splash. Lefty bat who can spell Vlad at 1B a couple times a week, and play the odd game at 3B, 2B, and the corner OF.