Offseason Roster Thread (2020-2021)

[Grant77]

I see no reason to write off Happ as a possibility. A useful starter that we are familiar with on a 1 year deal sounds pretty good actually.

 

Obviously there needs to be bigger additions, but too much depth isn't something to complain about.

[Krylian]

Jays are like the guy at work always making sure you know he’s doing work. It’s good that they kick the tires on every FA but I don’t think it’s an accident that they always get linked to everyone

 

I agree. Make sure the fans know you're ready to go balls deep and are in on everyone...but when the chips are down it wouldn't surprise me at all if they're a day late and a dollar short on the big boys.

[Laika]

We have very good depth, so I think it makes sense to pay up for a high end starter like Bauer. With guys like Stripling, Hatch, Kay, Murphy, and Zeuch outside of the projected rotation, I'm less concerned about depth than in years past.

 

There isn't a need to waste money on a guy like Quintana or Richards when we should be developing our young pitchers and upgrading other areas.

 

I see no reason to write off Happ as a possibility. A useful starter that we are familiar with on a 1 year deal sounds pretty good actually.

 

Obviously there needs to be bigger additions, but too much depth isn't something to complain about.

 

hmm

[glory]

Looking at the FA starters, I'm actually warming up to the idea of Tanaka. His elbow still scares me, but 1) success in the AL East over many years, 2) no drop in velocity, and 3) shouldn't be more than a 3 year deal at a 2-3 WAR type of AAV (~$15M). Whether he'd want to sign in Toronto/Buffalo/Dunedin is another story.

[Carlos Danger]

Looking at the FA starters, I'm actually warming up to the idea of Tanaka. His elbow still scares me, but 1) success in the AL East over many years, 2) no drop in velocity, and 3) shouldn't be more than a 3 year deal at a 2-3 WAR type of AAV (~$15M). Whether he'd want to sign in Toronto/Buffalo/Dunedin is another story.

 

You sure do love older SPs on the downward plane. I am surprised the Hurl hasn't begged you to join one of his fantasy leagues so he could dump all his old / injury risk SPs on you in trade

[glory]

You sure do love older SPs on the downward plane. I am surprised the Hurl hasn't begged you to join one of his fantasy leagues so he could dump all his old / injury risk SPs on you in trade

 

Look at the FA market. There's not much there, and Tanaka is only 2 years older than Bauer. Some others are interesting but coming off significant injury/down years. Even the best SP trade targets appear to be 34 year old Darvish (coming off a career year) and 33 year old Lynn. Assuming Tanaka stays healthy, and that's always going to be an "if" even though he's avoided it so far, then he's a reasonable target, if not unspectacular. He wouldn't be my first choice in a normal situation, mainly because of his elbow, but the market isn't exactly littered with better options.

[Grant77]

hmm

 

MLBTR projects a 2/18 deal for Quintana and 2/16 for Richards.

 

That's a whole lot different than giving Happ one year of reliever money. It doesn't block anyone or prevent us from spending elsewhere.

[Spanky99]

I agree. Make sure the fans know you're ready to go balls deep and are in on everyone...but when the chips are down it wouldn't surprise me at all if they're a day late and a dollar short on the big boys.

 

Figures you'd agree with this, and spit this rhetoric out. Said the same thing last year about Ryu. *smh*

 

Captain Debbie Downer!

[saskjayfan]

Figures you'd agree with this, and spit this rhetoric out. Said the same thing last year about Ryu. *smh*

 

Captain Debbie Downer!

 

I feel like James Paxton is going to sign with the Jays. Boras is saying way too many good things about us. That would really get me pumped despite the obvious injury risk.

[Laika]

MLBTR projects a 2/18 deal for Quintana and 2/16 for Richards.

 

That's a whole lot different than giving Happ one year of reliever money. It doesn't block anyone or prevent us from spending elsewhere.

 

All of these guys are probably signing one year deals this offseason. Fangraphs (not crowdsource) thinks they all are and they project similarly.

 

I know there is no pot of gold at the end of this conversation but it's just funny how your opinion completely flips when Quintana/Richards become old pal JA Happ. You go from "we have very good depth... I'm not concerned about depth" to "you can't complain about too much depth!"

 

Cognitive dissonance as big as a tuba.

[Laika]

I feel like James Paxton is going to sign with the Jays. Boras is saying way too many good things about us. That would really get me pumped despite the obvious injury risk.

 

Tough offseason for Paxton. I really wonder what he will be offered. You'd think he will be a candidate for a one year pillow contract, but he's also 32 now so for him to pillow it this year and try again at 33 is pretty risky. He's not a 29 year old like Robbie Ray who reasonably has several offseasons to try to and position for a big contract. We might see him sign a shockingly reasonable multi-year deal. Keuchel is basically a year older and got 3/55 last year, coming off of a mediocre 2019. Maybe Paxton would go for a deal worth less money than that (Covid season factor) but with performance bonuses or a vesting option.

[Spanky99]

You sure do love older SPs on the downward plane. I am surprised the Hurl hasn't begged you to join one of his fantasy leagues so he could dump all his old / injury risk SPs on you in trade

 

You'd be upset over Tanaka, what downward plane?

[Ray]

Rosenthal:

 

Not that it’s needed, but here’s more evidence the Blue Jays are among the most active clubs this offseason. According to sources, they offered free-agent right-hander Kevin Gausman a three-year deal, believed to be in the $40 million range, before the pitcher accepted the Giants’ one-year, $18.9 million qualifying offer.

 

The Jays, meanwhile, continue to pursue free agents at a breakneck pace. They are interested not only in outfielder George Springer and infielder DJ LeMahieu, but also have been in recent contact with outfielder Michael Brantley and third baseman Justin Turner, among others, sources say.

 

I’m slightly surprised Gausman turned down that much guaranteed money in this economic climate, but I wouldn’t be surprised if he puts up another good year in AT&T Park and gets paid a lot more.

 

That would’ve been a pretty good signing with upside. Nice to know we’re being very aggressive.

[Grant77]

All of these guys are probably signing one year deals this offseason. Fangraphs (not crowdsource) thinks they all are and they project similarly.

 

I know there is no pot of gold at the end of this conversation but it's just funny how your opinion completely flips when Quintana/Richards become old pal JA Happ. You go from "we have very good depth... I'm not concerned about depth" to "you can't complain about too much depth!"

 

Cognitive dissonance as big as a tuba.

 

Nowhere did I say we shouldn't add any depth. As I have already stated clearly, I think a substantial 2 year deal for a guy like Quintana could hurt the development of our young pitchers and prevent us from addressing other needs. I'm not interested in your free agent predictions.

 

A modest 1 year deal allows us to move on if a guy like Kay or Murphy needs a spot. It also leaves us enough money to spend on a CF or infielder.

[Spanky99]

I feel like he's been putting up good years for basically his entire career.

 

Pretty much, and he continues to get better, 18.9M is a nice fee to bet on himself. He's going to get paid next off-season barring injury.

[Rusty_Savage]

Nowhere did I say we shouldn't add any depth. As I have already stated clearly, I think a substantial 2 year deal for a guy like Quintana could hurt the development of our young pitchers and prevent us from addressing other needs. I'm not interested in your free agent predictions.

 

A modest 1 year deal allows us to move on if a guy like Kay or Murphy needs a spot. It also leaves us enough money to spend on a CF or infielder.

 

What makes a two year deal substantial and a one year deal modest?

[Brownie19]

What makes a two year deal substantial and a one year deal modest?

 

1 year apparently.

[Grant77]

1 year apparently.

 

Six million compared to 18 million is a difference. Use whatever words you deem appropriate, but it's enough to get a good bat in this market.

[Jays24]

Rosenthal:

 

Not that it’s needed, but here’s more evidence the Blue Jays are among the most active clubs this offseason. According to sources, they offered free-agent right-hander Kevin Gausman a three-year deal, believed to be in the $40 million range, before the pitcher accepted the Giants’ one-year, $18.9 million qualifying offer.

 

The Jays, meanwhile, continue to pursue free agents at a breakneck pace. They are interested not only in outfielder George Springer and infielder DJ LeMahieu, but also have been in recent contact with outfielder Michael Brantley and third baseman Justin Turner, among others, sources say.

 

Think we've been linked to every single top free agent in the market this offseason. Cant wait to see who we end up getting.

[Brownie19]

Six million compared to 18 million is a difference. Use whatever words you deem appropriate, but it's enough to get a good bat in this market.

 

I'm just bustin' yo ballz Grant.

[glory]

 

Basically saying what Rosenthal said in the Athletic article. Also mentions Jays interest in Kim, but cited Morosi as the source, so doesn't mean anything (yet).

[RobinThicc]

Morosi said the Jays are third in line for Springer, behind the Mets and Red Sox.

 

Maybe they've shifted their focus to other OF's now.

[King]

[Ray]

Morosi said the Jays are third in line for Springer, behind the Mets and Red Sox.

 

Maybe they've shifted their focus to other OF's now.

 

Where did he say this?

[z3r0s]

catcher just isn't where I would spend my money. We have a few guys that have a pretty decent floor with an outside shot to be good, and are cheap for a loooong time.

I do love JT, I just see bigger upgrades in other spots.

[max silver]

catcher just isn't where I would spend my money. We have a few guys that have a pretty decent floor with an outside shot to be good, and are cheap for a loooong time.

I do love JT, I just see bigger upgrades in other spots.

 

Yeah that seems like a counterproductive move to upgrade a strength when there are so many obvious weaknesses on the roster.

[Orgfiller]

Catchers are really hard to develop and probably is the position with the highest variance outside pitching. If you can sign a bonafide catcher star like Realmuto it opens the door for trading Jansen, Moreno, Kirk, etc. in a package for a large upgrade in a position of need (or in the case of SS, a bilateral upgrade at 3B by virtue of moving over one of Bo or Biggio there). Cleveland would sure love to get their hands on one of our young controllable catchers.

[Carlos Danger]

Morosi said the Jays are third in line for Springer, behind the Mets and Red Sox.

 

Maybe they've shifted their focus to other OF's now.

 

So you are saying there is a chance...

[BTS]

If a 5-win player is willing to sign here on something that makes sense financially, it's hard to argue that we shouldn't shuffle the pieces around to make it work. Danny Jansen has trade value. Kirk has significant trade value. Either can be used in a package to bring in a SP or OF.

[L54]

Realmuto would be my number one target and trade Danny Jansen. Get two birds stoned at once.