What can we get for JA Happ?

[Abomination]

The Phils are going to make a run at Happ. I'm not sure they have what it takes without including Medina (assuming Sanchez is not on the table). Romero and Haseley are fairly interesting.

 

We'd probably be looking more at wildcard guys like Jhailyn Ortiz. I'd love to get Moniak, but I'm not sure he's dropped enough yet. Getting a guy like Kilome and converting him to a reliever could be interesting as a secondary piece. Roman Quinn could be a nice throw in. Speed to burn, and actually takes his walks. Might make a nice 4th outfielder at worse, with Pillar on defense plus better OBP upside.

[Grant77]

We'd probably be looking more at wildcard guys like Jhailyn Ortiz. I'd love to get Moniak, but I'm not sure he's dropped enough yet. Getting a guy like Kilome and converting him to a reliever could be interesting as a secondary piece. Roman Quinn could be a nice throw in. Speed to burn, and actually takes his walks. Might make a nice 4th outfielder at worse, with Pillar on defense plus better OBP upside.

 

We'd get better value from the draft pick if the return is that weak. We got a better return for Francisco Liriano, in the form of a more advanced player very similar to Ortiz.

 

The best pitcher on the market always gets a solid return and I don't expect that to change this year.

[P2F]

We'd probably be looking more at wildcard guys like Jhailyn Ortiz. I'd love to get Moniak, but I'm not sure he's dropped enough yet. Getting a guy like Kilome and converting him to a reliever could be interesting as a secondary piece. Roman Quinn could be a nice throw in. Speed to burn, and actually takes his walks. Might make a nice 4th outfielder at worse, with Pillar on defense plus better OBP upside.

 

Also, I'd be interested in some guys like Ramon Rosso, Spencer Howard, and Abrahan Gutierrez.

[Abomination]

We'd get better value from the draft pick of the return is that weak. We got a better return for Francisco Liriano.

 

Teoscar is looking like better value now, but at the time he was probably below where those guys are now. Getting Moniak or Ortiz + Quinn imo would be an acceptable return. Maybe Kyle Young also would be interesting. 7 foot lefty, who will likely gain a few MPH as he fills out. Surprisingly exceptional command (at least in terms of walks).

[Grant77]

Teoscar is looking like better value now, but at the time he was probably below where those guys are now. Getting Moniak or Ortiz + Quinn imo would be an acceptable return. Maybe Kyle Young also would be interesting. 7 foot lefty, who will likely gain a few MPH as he fills out. Surprisingly exceptional command (at least in terms of walks).

 

I don't agree with that at all. Hernandez was a high K guy that had shown real power in the major leagues. Ortiz looks like he'll be lucky to even reach that level. The strikeouts are very concerning.

 

I look back at what Rich Hill got in 2016 in a similar market for pitching. They got two players who were each more valuable on their own than what you are proposing, in addition to Grant Holmes.

[Abomination]

I don't agree with that at all. Hernandez was a high K guy that had shown real power in the major leagues. Ortiz looks like he'll be lucky to even reach that level. The strikeouts are very concerning.

 

I look back at what Rich Hill got in 2016 in a similar market for pitching. They got two players who were each more valuable on their own than what you are proposing, in addition to Grant Holmes.

 

Hill was also killing it when he was traded, and the deal included Reddick who was also performing well and had an extra year of control (I think). Even so, teams seem much more reluctant now to part with young players for rentals. The true test of that will be when Machado gets traded though.

[Ray]

Hill was also killing it when he was traded, and the deal included Reddick who was also performing well and had an extra year of control (I think). Even so, teams seem much more reluctant now to part with young players for rentals. The true test of that will be when Machado gets traded though.

 

Reddick was also a rental.

[TheHurl]

Today on MLB radio they discussed Happ and Donaldson to the Braves as very AA type targets, as players he knows well but have a very small price tag. The exact quote was "they could get both without touching Riley, Anderson, Wright or the current 25".

[Abomination]

Reddick was also a rental.

 

Yup, you're right.

[Abomination]

Today on MLB radio they discussed Happ and Donaldson to the Braves as very AA type targets, as players he knows well but have a very small price tag. The exact quote was "they could get both without touching Riley, Anderson, Wright or the current 25".

 

I'd rather just keep Donaldson and qualify him, unless someone gives up something really interesting. I think the odds are good that he'd accept the QO (or agree to a 1 year deal after).

[Pendleton]

< ----- Kyle Young

 

Teoscar is looking like better value now, but at the time he was probably below where those guys are now. Getting Moniak or Ortiz + Quinn imo would be an acceptable return. Maybe Kyle Young also would be interesting. 7 foot lefty, who will likely gain a few MPH as he fills out. Surprisingly exceptional command (at least in terms of walks).

[jays4life19]

I could be wrong since I don't see anything in google about it but I could have swore I read Kyle Young arm died recently?

[Pendleton]

I could be wrong since I don't see anything in google about it but I could have swore I read Kyle Young arm died recently?

 

Not that I've seen, but he hasn't pitched since the 4th.

 

Anyway I find him to be one of the more interesting prospects out there outside of the true high end guys, just because he's so ridiculously unique. Reports have him well over seven foot now , yet his best attribute is being able to repeat his delivery and command his average offerings to generate a ton of ground balls - and tons of projection remaining to possibly make the stuff play up further because he's obviously lanky as all hell.

[glory]

Rich Hill is not a fair comparable since as mentioned the deal included Reddick. Maybe we can compare it to Yu Darvish last year, but Darvish was a better/more established pitcher at the time. The Rangers got one top 50 prospect (Calhoun) and two lotto tickets.

 

I might lean towards getting higher upside players further away from the bigs only because contending teams might be more willing to part with them. The risk with those types is a lot higher but so is the upside. Not sure what the Phils would give up for Happ though. Maybe they'd move Ortiz. Would they move Morales?

[The Cats Ass]

I'd be alright with Jhailyn Ortiz by himself. Ortiz is probably just outside a lot of top 100 prospect lists. The comp pick for Happ leaving via FA would be around the 75-77th pick, we won't be getting a guy like Ortiz there.

[jays4life19]

Not that I've seen, but he hasn't pitched since the 4th.

 

Anyway I find him to be one of the more interesting prospects out there outside of the true high end guys, just because he's so ridiculously unique. Reports have him well over seven foot now , yet his best attribute is being able to repeat his delivery and command his average offerings to generate a ton of ground balls - and tons of projection remaining to possibly make the stuff play up further because he's obviously lanky as all hell.

 

This is really bugging me because i could have sworn i read that he was going to get TJS but now i can't find anything on it.

 

Very strange.

[Laika]

Today on MLB radio they discussed Happ and Donaldson to the Braves as very AA type targets, as players he knows well but have a very small price tag. The exact quote was "they could get both without touching Riley, Anderson, Wright or the current 25".

 

Sure. Lots else to like in that system. Allard, Pache, Touissant, Gohora.... Weigel, Wentz, Wilson, Muller, Willy Contreras.... a lot of other names.

 

You know AA would be willing to throw a handful of decent prospects into one trade if he can get multiple MLB pieces back. Maybe they would also want a reliever like Tepera (although I can't really see the need).

[Boxcar]

Sure. Lots else to like in that system. Allard, Pache, Touissant, Gohora.... Weigel, Wentz, Wilson, Muller, Willy Contreras.... a lot of other names.

 

You know AA would be willing to throw a handful of decent prospects into one trade if he can get multiple MLB pieces back. Maybe they would also want a reliever like Tepera (although I can't really see the need).

 

Ehhhhhh I think we could pry Anderson from AA. I certainly wouldn't mind Anderson and Wentz.

[Laika]

Ehhhhhh I think we could pry Anderson from AA. I certainly wouldn't mind Anderson and Wentz.

 

Yeah for sure if they are getting Donaldson. Probably need Allard or Anderson.

 

If it's just Happ, I might even feel fine about something kind of boring like a few of Wentz, Weigel, Muller, Wilson.

 

I wonder if they would even entertain Soroka for the pair, considering he's done for the year.

[SaskJaysFan_2]

I didn't think you could trade players on the DL.

[Brownie19]

I'd be alright with Jhailyn Ortiz by himself. Ortiz is probably just outside a lot of top 100 prospect lists. The comp pick for Happ leaving via FA would be around the 75-77th pick, we won't be getting a guy like Ortiz there.

 

Can we not target guys with BB% of 5 and K% of 30 in A ball? Thanks.

[Laika]

Well you were wrong

[THANOS]

Can we not target guys with BB% of 5 and K% of 30 in A ball? Thanks.

 

Agreed. Enough of those high K, low BB guys. High K guys in general seem more prone to bust, but that's an awful combo.

[Slade]

Give me Anderson and Waters and AA can have Donaldson and Happ.

[Shart]

I didn't think you could trade players on the DL.

 

I can confirm that you can.

[Shart]

Give me Anderson and Waters and AA can have Donaldson and Happ.

 

I'd start with Acuna.

[glory]

I'm real curious to see how AA is as a GM for them. He's already drafted a 1st rounder and promptly didn't sign him so he's the same old dude in that sense, but what about trading prospects?

[art_vandelay275]

I'm real curious to see how AA is as a GM for them. He's already drafted a 1st rounder and promptly didn't sign him so he's the same old dude in that sense, but what about trading prospects?

 

https://www.myajc.com/blog/mark-bradley/braves-alex-anthopoulos-the-trade-deadline-and-big-ticket-rentals/YSl8vZzyugn0iaZbtRxGmK/

https://www.myajc.com/blog/mark-bradley/alex-anthopolous-conversation-braves-pitching-and-playoffs/7Ndj2LgchZoWvdCvcJFCsO/

[Grant77]

MLBTR ranks Happ 6th on the list of available deadline rentals and the top available SP. The best strategy for us, in my opinion, is to hold firm on our asking price and let teams get desperate. If the return is not acceptable then just take the pick or resign Happ.

[Bobthe4th]

MLBTR ranks Happ 6th on the list of available deadline rentals and the top available SP. The best strategy for us, in my opinion, is to hold firm on our asking price and let teams get desperate. If the return is not acceptable then just take the pick or resign Happ.

 

I hope I’m wrong but I feel that any team that gets desperate for pitching is more likely to go all in for an Archer or deGrom with extra control.