What can we get for JA Happ?

[P2F]

I hope I’m wrong but I feel that any team that gets desperate for pitching is more likely to go all in for an Archer or deGrom with extra control.

 

Of course they would. There's a pretty fine line that Shatkins has to walk in their negotiations. If their ask is too great, an inquiring team is likely either just move on to the next pitcher down their list (like an Eovaldi or Hamels) or pony up the difference to get a guy with multiple years of team control like Archer, DeGrom, or Syndergaard.

[metafour]

Those guys (deGrom, Archer, etc) are harder to trade because the asking price has to actually line up. Just because Philly for instance would prefer to go "all in" for deGrom, it doesn't mean that the Mets will want what they have in their system, especially considering the asking price will be huge. deGrom, Archer, Syndergaard won't be dealt "just because", so in reality only a handful of teams can actually put together those packages, and they also have to WANT to unload their systems to do so. The Yankees can do it, but does it look like they want to give up the prospects it would actually take? Not really.

 

Its a lot more complicated than "oh you're asking too much for Happ, we'll just add a bit more and get deGrom".

[WhatUGonnaDoAboutit]

Freicer Perez + from the Yankees would be a good target

[Abomination]

MLBTR ranks Happ 6th on the list of available deadline rentals and the top available SP. The best strategy for us, in my opinion, is to hold firm on our asking price and let teams get desperate. If the return is not acceptable then just take the pick or resign Happ.

 

There's a very strong chance we can resign Happ anyway, so it wouldn't really hurt to get whatever we can for him now. It would help him and us.

[glory]

Yeah trade Happ for whatever you can get (which will likely be better than a comp pick barring Happ getting hurt or turning into Ricky Romero overnight) and then sign him in the winter. Holding him and then re-signing him is wasting the potential assets we can get a deal. Even if they are lotto ticket prospects, it should still be more useful than a comp pick. I still think the Jays should try for very young players that are years away from the bigs but have higher upside (Morales from the Phillies, Medina from the Yankees). The bust potential is huge but if they reach their potential, it's a risk worth taking, especially if you can just sign Happ again in three months.

[sdyment]

Freicer Perez + from the Yankees would be a good target

 

Is this a todd?

[Laika]

Or, how about this - trade Happ and then DON'T sign the age 36 version of him.

[Jonn]

Or, how about this - trade Happ and then DON'T sign the age 36 version of him.

 

I would bring him back on a one year deal possibly a team option attached.

[glory]

Or, how about this - trade Happ and then DON'T sign the age 36 version of him.

 

Ehh, if they trade him, then they gets assets back, and then don't lose anything except money by bringing him back. Also they will have to spend money on the rotation in some capacity given how thin it is heading into next year. Even if Happ regresses, bringing him back on a two year deal wouldn't be terrible. Worst case he bombs and you move on (see Garcia). At 2/30, or something like that, it wouldn't hurt flexibility or anything. Of course has has to be willing to come back to a team that probably isn't going to be very good, so he may not even want to if he can get similar money from somewhere else without the QO attached to him.

[Laika]

You're overthinking it.

 

He'll be 36. The team won't be competing. Spend the money on other s***. Tank!

[L54]

You're overthinking it.

 

He'll be 36. The team won't be competing. Spend the money on other s***. Tank!

 

Lol what else do you propose they spend money on other than SP?

[Abomination]

Lol what else do you propose they spend money on other than SP?

 

We could take on short term bad contracts for prospects.

[L54]

We could take on short term bad contracts for prospects.

 

Sure, if that opportunity presents itself

[Laika]

Lol what else do you propose they spend money on other than SP?

 

2020 and beyond lol

 

Younger players lol

[Slade]

You're overthinking it.

 

He'll be 36. The team won't be competing. Spend the money on other s***. Tank!

 

Spend money on starting pitching, if we really turn out to be s*** we can flip that to expedite the rebuild. Who knows maybe we turn it around faster than we think and that starting pitching can be valuable.

[glory]

2020 and beyond lol

 

Younger players lol

 

We are probably going to end up signing another Garcia or two and hoping for better results. Younger free agent SPs will be out of our price range, so either have to trade for them or get some vet SPs in free agency for cheap.

 

If Happ is willing to come back, then I don't see why we couldn't go 2/30 on him and still rebuild. Someone's going to have to throw innings for this team next year. Obviously if better scenarios become available then go with those, but in isolation, I don't think bringing Happ back hurts at all. It's better than trying to decide which pitcher won't suck between Garcia, Cashner, Cobb, etc, and spending similar money.

[L54]

2020 and beyond lol

 

Younger players lol

 

Unless you're Chris Rowley's dad I don't know why you would be against signing a starter

[Bobthe4th]

Those guys (deGrom, Archer, etc) are harder to trade because the asking price has to actually line up. Just because Philly for instance would prefer to go "all in" for deGrom, it doesn't mean that the Mets will want what they have in their system, especially considering the asking price will be huge. deGrom, Archer, Syndergaard won't be dealt "just because", so in reality only a handful of teams can actually put together those packages, and they also have to WANT to unload their systems to do so. The Yankees can do it, but does it look like they want to give up the prospects it would actually take? Not really.

 

Its a lot more complicated than "oh you're asking too much for Happ, we'll just add a bit more and get deGrom".

 

Yeah exactly - it’s a different market for Happ vs controllable pitchers.

 

However, to give up actual assets (as oppose to lottery tickets) that you don’t really want to teams are going to want more than a pretty good rental IMO.

[Laika]

Unless you're Chris Rowley's dad I don't know why you would be against signing a starter

 

I'm not, I just don't see the appeal to signing a 36 year old Free Agent to a sticker price contract so that the team can maybe lose the division by less than a double digit gap.

 

And I don't really assume that Happ would be keen on coming back anyway, not unless Toronto is making some type of push that doesn't seem likely or smart.

 

I'd rather just give Dad a cheap one year deal to eat up some innings. He's more likely to want to come back to Toronto - seems very comfortable.

 

Zeuch, Pannone, Borucki, Romano, SRF, Harris are all going to be like, 25 years old anyway.

[Krylian]

I'm not, I just don't see the appeal to signing a 36 year old Free Agent to a sticker price contract so that the team can maybe lose the division by less than a double digit gap.

 

And I don't really assume that Happ would be keen on coming back anyway, not unless Toronto is making some type of push that doesn't seem likely or smart.

 

I'd rather just give Dad a cheap one year deal to eat up some innings. He's more likely to want to come back to Toronto - seems very comfortable.

 

Zeuch, Pannone, Borucki, Romano, SRF, Harris are all going to be like, 25 years old anyway.

 

I want to see Borucki and Reid-Foley in the rotation next year. I also think Zeuch may not be too far away (although his low K numbers worry me). Not sold on Pannone, Romano, and Harris at all, but they're cheap and may not be much worse than what we're paying others $10M to do.

[Boxcar]

Unless you're Chris Rowley's dad I don't know why you would be against signing a starter

 

Busted

[Daniel Labude]

Are we gonna be left holding onto a bunch of players we shouldn't at the deadline?

[flafson]

Are we gonna be left holding onto a bunch of players we shouldn't at the deadline?

 

Looks like it...

 

We should really unload Happ, Estrada and half our bullpen before the deadline IMO.

[Spanky99]

Are we gonna be left holding onto a bunch of players we shouldn't at the deadline?

 

Looks like it...

 

We should really unload Happ, Estrada and half our bullpen before the deadline IMO.

 

Depends on the ask, Jesse Chavez returned a lottery ticket I'm sure they're talking, lol.

[Daniel Labude]

Looks like it...

 

We should really unload Happ, Estrada and half our bullpen before the deadline IMO.

 

With all the moves we should be doing, it has been awfully quiet

[Terminator]

Do not let Happ take the hill again.

[Spanky99]

Do not let Happ take the hill again.

 

Can you post K- Laws mid-season in the MILB thread please. Also, teams have to know what Happ is at this point, unless you mean to avoid an injury date?

[TheHurl]

Do not let Happ take the hill again.

 

Right now scouts are emphatically saying "he k'd 9 in 5 innings last time out"

 

then following with the the disappointed "against the O's"

[Abomination]

There's rumblings about the Yankees being very unhappy with Gray, and thinking about trading him. I still think Happ for Gray would be good for us.

[Jonn]

There's rumblings about the Yankees being very unhappy with Gray, and thinking about trading him. I still think Happ for Gray would be good for us.

 

I don’t want that mental midget. Dude is making himself bald how much stress he puts himself through.