Offseason Roster Thread 2016-17

[Abomination]

I wouldn't trade Stroman unless it was for a great return. But it is a discussion board. Genuinely curious what type of a return you could get for him? Or Happ or Estrada for that matter. Everyone's gotta price. You guys telling me dealing Stro for a 6 WAR guy like Adam Eaton wouldn't be an intriguing route to take?

 

If we could net a high end young position player, we'd have to at least consider it. In general though, it seems like pitching is harder for us to attract than bats are. Developing our own is probably more valuable to us than it is to other teams.

[L54]

Wow I hadn't realized Eaton actually turned in a 6 win season.

[L54]

That contract is super sexy too. I would trade Stroman for Eaton in a heartbeat. He's like Melky Cabrera with good defense and stolen bases.

[agrushcow]

That contract is super sexy too. I would trade Stroman for Eaton in a heartbeat. He's like Melky Cabrera with good defense and stolen bases.

 

My thought is Eaton probably has more value than Stro. Additionally, unless the White Sox move Sale or Quintana they're probably pretty set in the rotation. Yellich is another guy that's worth too much. But those are the type of guys I'd be looking at if we considered moving Stroman. Top of the order, corner OF types.

[burlingtonbandit]

Thinking of some trade ideas. Marcus Stroman for Joc Pederson...what do you think?

 

Dodgers seem like they could use another SP with Hill departing as a FA and since their rotation is filled with injury prone arms after Kershaw and Maeda. Stroman in the NL would be a nice fit for them. Pederson would give the Jays an athletic outfielder who is left-handed and has some pop & speed. Playing half of his games at the Rogers Centre could definitely improve his power output. I think Pederson's value has taken a slight hit in comparison to where it was two years ago though he still has huge upside and Stroman had some ups & downs this season, so it would definitely be a challenge trade on both sides.

 

I think I'd rather trade Sanchez than Stroman because I feel his value around the league would be quite a bit higher. I think I'd rather see Happ be traded if you have to trade a SP though.

[Grant77]

I guess the question that you need to ask yourself with this debate is whether we want an expensive ageing outfielder (like Bautista) and our current staff, or do we want Peterson/Eaton and an expensive ageing pitcher (like Rich Hill). We have to spend aot of money to fill one of the holes without losing some wins.

[Stangstag]

I wouldn't trade Stroman unless it was for a great return. But it is a discussion board. Genuinely curious what type of a return you could get for him? Or Happ or Estrada for that matter. Everyone's gotta price. You guys telling me dealing Stro for a 6 WAR guy like Adam Eaton wouldn't be an intriguing route to take?

 

Stroman for Eaton is probably a bad deal. We'd be selling low on Stroman and buying high on Eaton. Those aren't the kinds of trades you want to be making.

[Stangstag]

I guess the question that you need to ask yourself with this debate is whether we want an expensive ageing outfielder (like Bautista) and our current staff, or do we want Peterson/Eaton and an expensive ageing pitcher (like Rich Hill). We have to spend aot of money to fill one of the holes without losing some wins.

 

Much easier to buy a solid corner OF than a solid starter in free agency this year.

[ILikeSoccerandBaseball09]

Guys id trade Stroman for would be Yelich, Marte, Herrera (Phillies). Id trade Stroman for 1 of those guys in a heartbeat. But thats unlikely we do

[Ziggyy108]

If payroll increases we could take some bad money in an Eaton deal .... Like Robertson, Shields, or even Melky

[glory]

Some details regarding Greg Holland's status with the Royals and free agency. Hochevar looks to become a FA too.

 

http://www.kansascity.com/sports/mlb/kansas-city-royals/article110096872.html

 

Holland would be a solid risk to take. Good to know the Jays will do business with Boras now, really opens up the talent base they can acquire.

[BTS]

I don't see the Sox trading Eaton for a pitcher. They already have Sale, Quintana, and Rodon anchoring the rotation. Their lineup depth is trash.

[Brownie19]

If we could net a high end young position player, we'd have to at least consider it. In general though, it seems like pitching is harder for us to attract than bats are. Developing our own is probably more valuable to us than it is to other teams.

 

I think a lot of people compare how building around pitching is working out for the Mets and how building around position players is working out for the Cubs....and they'd rather be the Cubs.

[Brownie19]

Stroman for Eaton is probably a bad deal. We'd be selling low on Stroman and buying high on Eaton. Those aren't the kinds of trades you want to be making.

 

The thing is Eaton went from a 3.5 WAR player to a 6 WAR player simply because they took him out of CF (where his defense was below average) and put him in RF (where his defense was stupendous). If he'd played RF in 2014 and 2015, he might be coming off 3 straight 5-6 WAR seasons (in which case there's probably very little chance anyone considers trading him for Stro).

[HERPDERP]

Adam Eaton is overrated. The majority of his value comes from his defense and base running. Sure he is still relatively young but we all know how quickly defensive metrics can change

i.e. Gerardo Parra

[L54]

Lol if anything Adam Eaton is probably underrated.

 

Raise your hand if you knew he had put up 6 WAR.

[L54]

And while I agree with your premise that defensive metrics can vary year to year, that contract is a steal. I wonder where he was on Fangraphs trade value list last year and where he will be this year

[Olerud363]

Lol if anything Adam Eaton is probably underrated.

 

Raise your hand if you knew he had put up 6 WAR.

 

fWAR is not only publically available info, but almost everyone is aware of it... I know Adam Eaton had 6 WAR.

 

Everyone does this now -- 1. go to google, 2. type Adam Eaton fangraphs

 

It takes 2.5 seconds to know someones WAR. We all now everyone's WAR. Except if we don't know google.

 

The smart guys now have to understand the limititations of WAR, and how WAR evolves with age, and how repeatable the various aspects of WAR are.

 

I am not a smart guy, I don't know the above, if you want to be a smart guy tell us the above.

[L54]

fWAR is not only publically available info, but almost everyone is aware of it... I know Adam Eaton had 6 WAR.

 

Everyone does this now -- 1. go to google, 2. type Adam Eaton fangraphs

 

It takes 2.5 seconds to know someones WAR. We all now everyone's WAR. Except if we don't know google.

 

The smart guys now have to understand the limititations of WAR, and how WAR evolves with age, and how repeatable the various aspects of WAR are.

 

I am not a smart guy, I don't know the above, if you want to be a smart guy tell us the above.

 

Obviously I meant before the conversation about Adam Eaton. Before that, I wasn't aware how good Adam Eaton had been last year.

 

Adam Eaton is valuable because he seems like a good bet to produce 10-12 wins over the next 3 years for 18.5M with two team

friendly options. The hypothetical that was being discussed was Stroman for him, and I would do that in a heart beat.

[jays4life19]

QO Edwin + Jose and let them walk.

Let Saunders, Cecil (ugh...i just think he's going to get paiddd) walk.

Sign Dexter Fowler 4 years, 72 million

Sign Matt Holliday one year 10 million with a team option for 14 million and 2 million buy out.

Sign Boone Logan one year 6 million

Sign Eric Thames 2 years 15 million.

Sign Jeff Mathis to a minor league deal.

[King]

QO Edwin + Jose and let them walk.

Let Saunders, Cecil (ugh...i just think he's going to get paiddd) walk.

Sign Dexter Fowler 4 years, 72 million

Sign Matt Holliday one year 10 million with a team option for 14 million and 2 million buy out.

Sign Boone Logan one year 6 million

Sign Eric Thames 2 years 15 million.

Sign Jeff Mathis to a minor league deal.

 

We were in on Boone Logan at the trade deadline. I could see us going after him this offseason.

[baseballsss]

QO Edwin + Jose and let them walk.

Let Saunders, Cecil (ugh...i just think he's going to get paiddd) walk.

Sign Dexter Fowler 4 years, 72 million

Sign Matt Holliday one year 10 million with a team option for 14 million and 2 million buy out.

Sign Boone Logan one year 6 million

Sign Eric Thames 2 years 15 million.

Sign Jeff Mathis to a minor league deal.

 

I know Thames has been a monster and all but do you really think he'll get that much when he's already failed in the MLB?

[jays4life19]

We were in on Boone Logan at the trade deadline. I could see us going after him this offseason.

 

Yup! Him and Jerry Blevins are nice fits.

[Governator]

QO Edwin + Jose and let them walk.

Let Saunders, Cecil (ugh...i just think he's going to get paiddd) walk.

Sign Dexter Fowler 4 years, 72 million

Sign Matt Holliday one year 10 million with a team option for 14 million and 2 million buy out.

Sign Boone Logan one year 6 million

Sign Eric Thames 2 years 15 million.

Sign Jeff Mathis to a minor league deal.

 

 

 

I feel like Boone doesn't replace Cecil though, he replaces Loup.

 

Edit, didn't see this

 

Yup! Him and Jerry Blevins are nice fits.

 

 

I'd be good with that combo, although you mention Cecil is going to get paid. I think if there's a player that wants to come back the most it's him, he seems genuinely worried about leaving Toronto. I think he's really settled in with his family and it's all he feels he knows.

[Stangstag]

QO Edwin + Jose and let them walk.

Let Saunders, Cecil (ugh...i just think he's going to get paiddd) walk.

Sign Dexter Fowler 4 years, 72 million

Sign Matt Holliday one year 10 million with a team option for 14 million and 2 million buy out.

Sign Boone Logan one year 6 million

Sign Eric Thames 2 years 15 million.

Sign Jeff Mathis to a minor league deal.

 

I like this. I think Fowler will get more though.

[King]

I know Thames has been a monster and all but do you really think he'll get that much when he's already failed in the MLB?

 

If there are teams who think he could be a 120 wRC+ guy, yes

[King]

Thames likely only comes back if he gets a guaranteed MLB deal. He seems to have really embraced South Korea, the culture and language, and is a superstar masher there. No way he comes back to grind it out on a minor league deal.

[Olerud363]

Obviously I meant before the conversation about Adam Eaton. Before that, I wasn't aware how good Adam Eaton had been last year.

 

Adam Eaton is valuable because he seems like a good bet to produce 10-12 wins over the next 3 years for 18.5M with two team

friendly options. The hypothetical that was being discussed was Stroman for him, and I would do that in a heart beat.

 

I honestly have no idea if this trade would work or not. I think most fans are now aware of the WAR leaders like they were on base percentage leader a few years ago, and rbi leaders 20 years ago.

 

So the question is how do Stroman and Eaton project going forward??

 

A big part of that is how do these heavy-d guys project as they move into their 28,29,30 seasons. Question is also quite relevant for Pillar.

[jays4life19]

Thames likely only comes back if he gets a guaranteed MLB deal. He seems to have really embraced South Korea, the culture and language, and is a superstar masher there. No way he comes back to grind it out on a minor league deal.

 

He's also played in Toronto and likely doesn't view playing in Canada as a horrible thing. I think he's worth taking a flier on with a small 2 year deal. Low risk with some upside.

[Governator]

Thames likely only comes back if he gets a guaranteed MLB deal. He seems to have really embraced South Korea, the culture and language, and is a superstar masher there. No way he comes back to grind it out on a minor league deal.

 

 

He also needs to wait for the steroids to get out of his system before he signs with anyone.