Jose Fernandez killed in boating accident

[Terminator]

Does anyone else think that MLB should waive their 10-year HOF minimum for him? Second best starters ERA- of all time, and best FIP-.

 

I think they should absolutely waive that rule for everyone and just vote on Fernandez like anyone else.

 

I, for one, would not vote for Jose Fernandez. But let's say he played 9.5 years at the rate he did for 4 seasons. I would probably vote for him then. Or imagine if, god forbid, something happened to Mike Trout in year 9 of his career. He couldn't become a HoFer? Stupid rule.

[Sammy225]

Does anyone else think that MLB should waive their 10-year HOF minimum for him? Second best starters ERA- of all time, and best FIP-.

 

If anyone deserved it, it would be him... But i am sure the old goats would not allow it.

[2lowitzki]

I heard this news when I woke up yesterday morning.. I was so shocked and almost dropped my phone.

 

When I went to Wrigley Field (home of the Chicago Cups) in August, he was starting for the Marlins and he looked brilliant. (Although the Cubs won)

 

My friend said that I was lucky to see him pitch before his sudden passing..

 

RIP Jose Fernandez.

[burlingtonbandit]

Does anyone else think that MLB should waive their 10-year HOF minimum for him? Second best starters ERA- of all time, and best FIP-.

 

I don't think he's a HOF. There is no way of telling if he could have kept it up for a sustained period of time. He already had TJS once and his mechanics weren't the greatest.

 

He could have been a Strasburg who I think we could say was just as talented at that age but hasn't been able to keep it up. They should get rid of the 10 year rule though

[King]

Does anyone else think that MLB should waive their 10-year HOF minimum for him? Second best starters ERA- of all time, and best FIP-.

 

He should be in the hall of fame. One of the greatest young pitching talents the game has ever seen. Longetivity is important in some cases, but not this one. Career cut short by TJS and a boating accident.

 

Based on talent alone he should be in it though. I agree with KingKat that I don't think it happens.

 

I also liked the idea tweeted out about having a Jose Fernandez Memorial award going to the player who best embodies the fun and spirit of the game.

Edited September 26, 2016 by King

[Caper]

MLB has the best and most expansive pension program in baseball. A single day on a big league roster gets you lifetime healthcare. 43 days gets you $34,000 annually.

 

But his estate wouldn't get 34k annually. Might get something, but not 34k.... and aslo, I'm not sure you start collecting until you are 60 or so.

[TheHurl]

I think they said the baby is supposed to be a girl.

 

Though with Jose Fernandez genetics, maybe she'll be able to throw 99 and become the first female MLB player!

 

in 18 years everyone will throw 99.

[SweetSmellingChacin]

The Baseball Hall of Fame takes itself way to seriously to ever make an exception for Fernandez.

[Boxcar]

MLB has the best and most expansive pension program in baseball. A single day on a big league roster gets you lifetime healthcare. 43 days gets you $34,000 annually.

 

Wow, really? I was sure some independent league had a better one. Shows what I know!

[TheHurl]

Does anyone else think that MLB should waive their 10-year HOF minimum for him? Second best starters ERA- of all time, and best FIP-.

 

At a minimum his jersey should be in the Marlins Locker Room section of Cooperstown forever, the way Thurman Munson has for the Yankees (they actually left his spot in the actual Yankees dressing room empty as well) I don't remember a section in the Hall for players that passed away during their career but it would be a nice touch. MLB went from 1979 (Munson) to 1992 (Kile) without an active player passing away. The next 24 years I like there have been about 10. JoFez, OT, Adenhart, Lidle, Tommy Hanson, Halman, Hancock and Joe Kennedy as the ones I can remember. Was Jose Lima still in the league when he passed away?

[Terminator]

Wow, really? I was sure some independent league had a better one. Shows what I know!

 

lol meant sports

[Stangstag]

I don't expect money to be an issue for the family, though they definitely aren't going to see nearly as much as they could have. They'll be taken care of either officially or unofficially. Maybe someone like TheHurl or another person who has a pretty good knowledge of the CBA can chime in. But it just seems natural to have some kind of standard life insurance policy.

 

I mean, even us working class slobs who have family members in unions get some decent pensions in these types of scenarios. I would expect it moreso from the MLBPA.

 

Pretty sure some of his friends on the team can/will take care of Jose's family. Stanton was probably a good friend, and he's making like 30 million a year for the rest of his life.

 

Jose's family won't be rich like they could have been, but they definitely won't be struggling.

[Boxcar]

lol meant sports

 

[West Texas Forever]

Didn't really make any money in his career, tough break for his gf/future kid.

 

 

http://i.imgur.com/t76fUDx.png

[John_Havok]

Regarding life insurance for ballplayers

 

"Each player has life insurance through the league that pays $1 million plus 75 percent of their salary in excess of $1 million. The total is not to exceed $30 million and the club is the sole beneficiary."

 

So players lives are insured, but it's meant to cover the team to offset costs of guaranteed contracts that they would still be required to pay out (he only had the pro-rated remainder of this season left as guaranteed money since he would have been arbitration eligible for the first time in 2017. ). It specifically states that no heirs are eligible for the death benefits.

 

http://www.businessinsider.com/uniform-major-league-baseball-contract-2011-4#-8

 

So any life insurance payouts to the family would have to be received through an individual life policy if he had one.

[jaysblue]

He should be in the hall of fame. One of the greatest young pitching talents the game has ever seen. Longetivity is important in some cases, but not this one. Career cut short by TJS and a boating accident.

 

Based on talent alone he should be in it though. I agree with KingKat that I don't think it happens.

 

I also liked the idea tweeted out about having a Jose Fernandez Memorial award going to the player who best embodies the fun and spirit of the game.

 

I don't think he's a HOF. Like BB said, you could have said the same thing about Strasburg after his first couple of years or even a guy like Tim Lincecum after his two Cy-Young years and look at what has happened to them in terms of injuries and drop-off in performance.

 

Agree there should be a memorial award for him of some kind. As well, like the Hurl said, there should be a jersey of his in Cooperstown honouring him and what he meant to the game, especially Cuban baseball. And hopefully the Marlins wear a special crest on their jersey honouring him, and a No. 16 on their caps for this year and next.

[King]

I don't think he's a HOF. Like BB said, you could have said the same thing about Strasburg after his first couple of years or even a guy like Tim Lincecum after his two Cy-Young years and look at what has happened to them.

 

Agree there should be a memorial award for him of some kind. As well, like the Hurl said, there should be a jersey of his in Cooperstown honouring him and what he meant to the game, especially Cuban baseball. And hopefully the Marlins wear a special crest on their jersey honouring him, and a No. 16 on their caps for this year and next.

 

There is no predicting what he could have or couldn't have done, that's impossible and unfair. It's about what he did. And what he did was be one of the greatest young pitchers the game has ever seen. If that doesn't deserve to be in the HOF then I don't know what to tell you.

[John_Havok]

There is no predicting what he could have or couldn't have done, that's impossible and unfair. It's about what he did. And what he did was be one of the greatest young pitchers the game has ever seen. If that doesn't deserve to be in the HOF then I don't know what to tell you.

 

I think we can all agree he had Hall of Fame talent and he will have a presence in Cooperstown, whether or not he ever officially gets elected to the Hall.

[TheHurl]

Loria has already said that Jose's family will be taken care of. Assuming they consider her a spouse and the unborn child a dependent they would get his MLB 401K, and receive lifetime MLB benefits. As for the pension that would not go to anyone. I remember reading that the Angels gave Adenhart's family a full World Series share cause they would not receive any other funds.

[HERPDERP]

[BTS]

I'd vote for him. He performed like one of the best pitchers ever, and had the kind of personality that the game doesn't have nearly enough of. The HoF is about recognizing th greats, and in the games that he played, he was on that level. I don't care what might have happened if his career hadn't ended at 24, because the innings he did throw were HOF calibre. Also, the hall takes itself far too seriously if it can't consider including someone like this out of resepect.

[Brownie19]

There is no predicting what he could have or couldn't have done, that's impossible and unfair. It's about what he did. And what he did was be one of the greatest young pitchers the game has ever seen. If that doesn't deserve to be in the HOF then I don't know what to tell you.

 

Do you want Doc Gooden in the HOF too? I mean after his age 20 and 21 seasons he probably was THE greatest young pitcher the game has ever seen. Then he tried cocaine and the rest is history.

[Brownie19]

At a minimum his jersey should be in the Marlins Locker Room section of Cooperstown forever, the way Thurman Munson has for the Yankees (they actually left his spot in the actual Yankees dressing room empty as well)

 

This seems incredibly appropriate. Include the stories of his struggles to leave Cuba, tell stories to demonstrate his character and the joy he brought to life and the game and tell how he was one of the best players even to throw the god damn baseball. He will never be forgotten and I fully expect the Hall will do something to help ensure that.

[Grant77]

Tavares' situation is sad but it was his own fault. He was 5X over the legal limit... Hard to feel sorry for someone who is that stupid. Gotta wait and see the details on this one.

 

I'm sure you never did anything stupid in your teens...

[fatcowxlive]

The only thing worrying for me is the kid situation. His girlfriend is that, his girlfriend. Not his wife. So I'm not sure how the money will get paid out or split, I would hope he included her in the will, if not his money would be passed on to his family right? And that could be a situation in of itself. Do they have common law in the US?

 

Also for the HoF discussions at first I wasn't sure I'd want him in there for ceremonial purposes or just basing off his first few years because part of being a HoFer is longetivity, we've see lots of players who started off really well (not as great as him, but still really good) who don't stand the test of time for one reason or another. However I quickly remember the HoF is a joke with a bunch of politicing done by old farts with the same mentality of a Goose Gossage that won't induct Pete Rose or Barry Bonds, so why not do something like that to represent what could of been (and what has been in the last 4 years). Also great PR for Latin-American players as well.

[Grant77]

Didn't really make any money in his career, tough break for his gf/future kid.

 

 

http://i.imgur.com/t76fUDx.png

 

That looks like 4.5 million plus a signing bonus to me. What the f*** kind of world are you living in? They never have to work a day in their lives.

[jaysblue]

There is no predicting what he could have or couldn't have done, that's impossible and unfair. It's about what he did. And what he did was be one of the greatest young pitchers the game has ever seen. If that doesn't deserve to be in the HOF then I don't know what to tell you.

 

Yes, though wasn't Mark Prior in 2003 one of the greatest young pitchers the game has ever seen? Then what happened to him? Look I love Jose Fernandez and I do agree that he was one of the greatest young pitchers in the game and it goes even beyond that in terms of his role and influence for Cuban baseball, though I don't think he's a HOF.

[King]

Yes, though wasn't Mark Prior in 2003 one of the greatest young pitchers the game has ever seen? Then what happened to him? Look I love Jose Fernandez and I do agree that he was one of the greatest young pitchers in the game and it goes even beyond that in terms of his role and influence for Cuban baseball, though I don't think he's a HOF.

I just don't get this mindset. If you think he was one of the greatest young pitchers in the game why wouldn't he deserve to be in the HOF? As BTS said, the Hall of Fame is about recognizing the great players in the game, and he definitely was one.

[Grant77]

Does anyone else think that MLB should waive their 10-year HOF minimum for him? Second best starters ERA- of all time, and best FIP-.

 

I know they waived it for Addie Joss when he died, but he was as good as Fernandez or better and had a much longer track record (Fernandez has barely 2 full seasons of innings). Personally, I don't think they can justify it but I think wouldn't be upset if they did. Jaysblue echoes my reasoning for that. There have been a number of pitchers who light the league on fire and flame out. I'm not comfortable in saying he was even a 50% chance to make it.

[West Texas Forever]

That looks like 4.5 million plus a signing bonus to me. What the f*** kind of world are you living in? They never have to work a day in their lives.

 

When you factor in his agent Scott Boras puke, and all the taxes that he has to pay for each city/county/state that he plays/travels to it's not as much as it appears.

 

Here is Andrew Mccutchen's paystub for an example and he was $10 million that year the paystub is from.

 

http://i.imgur.com/PKHsK0o.jpg