Jose Fernandez killed in boating accident

[fatcowxlive]

Welp

 

 

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/miami-dade/miami-beach/article104261146.html

 

In the hours before his boat crashed violently into a jetty off South Beach on Sunday morning, killing him and two friends, Miami Marlins ace José Fernández purportedly argued with his girlfriend and was seen at a Miami River bar.

 

Ohhh ok, I made my post without seeing this. So he was heated about something then. Obviously nothing to do with the outcome of his death, but the text makes sense now

 

So based on the instagram post from the friend of the friend, Jose was pretty mad about something and his friend was going to help him cool down.

 

You must wonder if he went out boating while drunk (they were at a club)

 

Check out King's link above, the thing he was mad at was an argument with his girlfriend

[HERPDERP]

[Grant77]

Ohhh ok, I made my post without seeing this. So he was heated about something then. Obviously nothing to do with the outcome of his death, but the text makes sense now.

 

I really hope that's the case.

[Boxcar]

So based on the instagram post from the friend of the friend, Jose was pretty mad about something and his friend was going to help him cool down.

 

You must wonder if he went out boating while drunk (they were at a club)

 

So dangerous to be drunk on a boat while NOT DRIVING IT you f***ing moron.

[baseballsss]

So dangerous to be drunk on a boat while NOT DRIVING IT you f***ing moron.

 

3 people on the boat and all 3 people are dead. Who's to say he wasn't driving it. It was registered under his name.

[King]

3 people on the boat and all 3 people are dead. Who's to say he wasn't driving it. It was registered under his name.

It's been reported that he wasn't the one the driving the boat, as well as when they took it out other times he never drove it either.

[Dr. Dinger]

So dangerous to be drunk on a boat while NOT DRIVING IT you f***ing moron.

 

We don't really know who was driving it and we probably never will. From what I understand, all three of them were thrown clear from the boat onto the rocks. They were definitely at a bar prior to the accident, and I'm assuming at least the non-drivers were drinking... since that's what people do at bars.

[King]

We don't really know who was driving it and we probably never will. From what I understand, all three of them were thrown clear from the boat onto the rocks. They were definitely at a bar prior to the accident, and I'm assuming at least the non-drivers were drinking... since that's what people do at bars.

From the IG post it sounds like Jose and his GF were at the bar and they got into an argument, when they left Jose called/texted his friends wanting to go out on the boat to cool down.

[Dr. Dinger]

From the IG post it sounds like Jose and his GF were at the bar and they got into an argument, when they left Jose called/texted his friends wanting to go out on the boat to cool down.

 

Yeah I get that, and I get that he wasn't known to drive the boat. Maybe he wasn't, maybe he probably wasn't. I know when I go boating, often times various guys take the wheel at different points. I've driven boats and I've never had a boating license. I'm just saying, at the moment of impact, we can only assume who was driving, since nobody survived it and nobody witnessed it.

[King]

[h=1]"You died being a great friend. You went to be with Jose and help him when he called you. I tried so hard to tell you not to go out on that boat. It didn't feel right and we both knew it."[/h]

[Dr. Dinger]

[h=1]"You died being a great friend. You went to be with Jose and help him when he called you. I tried so hard to tell you not to go out on that boat. It didn't feel right and we both knew it."[/h]

 

Those texts were pretty sad. I get that this dude was the regular and primary driver of the boat, probably like a DD for Jose. I'm just saying, no one witnessed the accident, we don't know who was definitely driving at the moment of impact. I don't think it really even matters.

[HERPDERP]

So dangerous to be drunk on a boat while NOT DRIVING IT you f***ing moron.

 

since you were there, can you tell us what his lasts words were?

[wamco]

Last report I saw was that it was unsure who the driver was

[HERPDERP]

Last report I saw was that it was unsure who the driver was

 

Well we know that Jose Fernandez owned that boat.

 

The families/friends of those other two that died would probably know if those two could drive a boat themselves.

 

If it turns out they don't know how to, then Fernandez would be the one behind the wheel.

[burlingtonbandit]

Well we know that Jose Fernandez owned that boat.

 

The families/friends of those other two that died would probably know if those two could drive a boat themselves.

 

If it turns out they don't know how to, then Fernandez would be the one behind the wheel.

 

In Passan's article it said he wouldn't allow Fernandez to drive the boat because he thought it was too dangerous. It seems weird that they were going full speed with such bad conditions though. Whoever was driving the boat was negligent obviously.

[Dick_Pole]

This story is very strange. It went from "it's a boat owned by someone else and he was not the operator" to "the boat is his, and we don't know who the operator was".

[Dick_Pole]

We don't really know who was driving it and we probably never will. From what I understand, all three of them were thrown clear from the boat onto the rocks. They were definitely at a bar prior to the accident, and I'm assuming at least the non-drivers were drinking... since that's what people do at bars.

 

There might be some advanced forensics/Sherlock Holmes type of s*** they can do to measure the trajectory of the bodies and work backwards to find out who was manning the wheel.

 

f***, that previous sentence I just wrote sounded so morbid.

[Dr. Dinger]

There might be some advanced forensics/Sherlock Holmes type of s*** they can do to measure the trajectory of the bodies and work backwards to find out who was manning the wheel.

 

f***, that previous sentence I just wrote sounded so morbid.

 

Weren't the bodies recovered by divers? It sounds like the bodies smashed off the rocks but ended up in the water.

[Dr. Dinger]

This story is very strange. It went from "it's a boat owned by someone else and he was not the operator" to "the boat is his, and we don't know who the operator was".

 

Because it's one thing to say "Eddy always drove the boat, he was Jose's driver," but if there were no witnesses and no survivors, you can't say for certainty who was driving at that moment. We don't know if Jose said "hey let me take the wheel for a couple minutes, I want to open it up and let off some steam."

 

But really, why does it matter? I think it's just a means of assigning blame, which is pointless since they all died.

[Grant77]

Weren't the bodies recovered by divers? It sounds like the bodies smashed off the rocks but ended up in the water.

 

Fingerprints or other types of forensics may reveal something. It changes nothing for me, but finding the cause is likely important to the families.

[burlingtonbandit]

Because it's one thing to say "Eddy always drove the boat, he was Jose's driver," but if there were no witnesses and no survivors, you can't say for certainty who was driving at that moment. We don't know if Jose said "hey let me take the wheel for a couple minutes, I want to open it up and let off some steam."

 

But really, why does it matter? I think it's just a means of assigning blame, which is pointless since they all died.

 

It sounds bad but it matters because the other 2 families could sue whoever was driving the boat if he was found to be driving recklessly.

[Dick_Pole]

Weren't the bodies recovered by divers? It sounds like the bodies smashed off the rocks but ended up in the water.

 

More morbid thoughts....but with the speed they were going at and the surface they landed on...there's probably no shortage of errrr....DNA on those rocks.

 

Find out who landed where along with the trajectory of the boat, do some simple math and you know the approximate position of everyone on board.

[King]

Weren't the bodies recovered by divers? It sounds like the bodies smashed off the rocks but ended up in the water.

1 body was in the water and the other two were on the boat

[King]

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/the-tragic-final-night-of-jose-fernandezs-life-023645408.html

 

MIAMI – A few minutes before midnight, Will Bernal’s phone buzzed. Up popped a text message from one of his best friends, Eddy Rivero. They had spent a lot of time together the previous week after another close friend of Bernal’s was killed. Now Rivero needed help. This was really important. Rivero asked to talk.

 

Bernal stepped outside and took the call. Rivero’s friend, Jose Fernandez, had asked him to go for a late-night ride on a 32-foot fishing boat into the wee hours of Sunday. This sounded bad. Bernal had ridden on a boat at night once, and it was terrifying. Not just the darkness, but the choppy waves from the rain earlier in the day and the threat of other boats and the objects obscured by the night.

 

“I told him it was a horrible idea,” Bernal said. “Do everything you can to get him off the boat. Do whatever you can to get him on land.”

 

Fernandez, the Miami Marlins’ star pitcher, was upset and just wanted to get away, Rivero told him. He loved boating. He wasn’t going to budge. Bernal tried to reason with Rivero. Bernal had lost one friend already. He didn’t want to bury another. Surely Fernandez’s gloom, Bernal said, had to be fleeting. “Both of you guys have a bright future,” Bernal said. “Whatever he’s stressed out about today he won’t remember a week from now.”

 

After Bernal said goodbye, he picked up his phone and shot Rivero a message.

 

“Yo please be careful bro,” Bernal texted at 12:07 a.m.

 

“I will bro,” Rivero said.

 

“Try to keep him close to shore if you go out,” Bernal wrote a minute later.

 

“Trust me,” Rivero wrote, “it’s not my time yet.”

 

Rivero was young, 25 years old. He’d met Fernandez through his girlfriend, who was friends with Fernandez’s. He’d started working at Carnival Cruise Lines and was trying to save up money to pay off his debt and buy an engagement ring.

 

Fernandez’s girlfriend was pregnant, and even if they were in different economic stratospheres, there was a kinship there between two Cuban sons who loved their family and friends and good times and Miami. So when the 24-year-old Fernandez insisted on going out, Rivero couldn’t say no. He trusted he would return safely.

 

“I know,” Bernal said, “but try to keep Jose cool, tell him what I said.”

 

“I know,” Rivero replied.

 

“Turn in your find iPhone app,” Bernal said, correcting himself to say “on.”

 

“It’s on,” Rivero wrote.”

 

“Dale [go ahead] keep me in the loop,” Bernal said. “If you guys need me to meet up with u guys to cool down for support let me know”

 

At 12:13 a.m., the texting stopped, and Bernal said he started to track the boat, nervous the dot would stop moving. Around 2 a.m., it did, at American Social Restaurant and Bar, a gastropub along the Miami River. Above the restaurant is the Neo Vertika condominium building, where 27-year-old Emilio Macias, a friend of Rivero’s who never had met Fernandez, lived. Bernal checked in with Rivero. They were docking the boat, waiting for Macias. Rivero said everything was cool. Around 3 a.m., Bernal stopped tracking the boat on the iPhone app and fell asleep. He had a soccer game a few hours later. He needed some rest.

 

Bernal slept late and hustled to the game without checking his phone. After the hour-long game, he saw a text message. Fernandez had died when the boat struck a rocky jetty and flipped. The other two passengers on board had died.

 

“I just had this horrible feeling,” Bernal said. “I knew. I knew.”

 

He still hoped this was all a mistake, a terrible, awful nightmare. Bernal called Rivero. There was no ring. It kicked straight to voicemail.

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Around Miami, they cried Monday, too. Jose Fernandez was this city, with his Cuban blood and his joie de vivre and his love of the water. That part hurt. The ocean that gave him freedom took his life. He spent as much time as he could on the water, with his friend Jessie Garcia, who brought Fernandez on sport-fishing expeditions all over.

 

Sometimes they went to Cat Cay in the Bahamas, about 50 miles from Miami. Jonathan Dames, the Cat Cay dock master, said Fernandez and Garcia would go on late-night trips, coming back at 10 or 11 at night, because swordfish bit best in the dark.

 

“Swordfish is one of the sweetest fish inside the sea,” Dames said. “That’s why they’d always go for it. That was Jose’s favorite meal.”

 

Sometimes Fernandez would go to Cat Cay on his off-days. He would have lunch and play basketball and look at the chickens and iguanas on the island. He was ever curious, wanting to learn more about fishing and to drive the boat.

 

“Jessie kept telling him no,” Dames said. “I think Jessie knew he wasn’t ready to start going out on his own. Jessie always controlled the vessel. He made sure everybody got back safe. He wasn’t allowing [Fernandez] to buy a vessel at the time.”

It remains unclear whether Fernandez was driving at the time of the accident. Bernal said Eddy Rivero did not have a boating license and had minimal experience driving a boat. Authorities said the boat, named “Kaught Looking” and tagged with a backward K and two baseballs for Os, accented in Marlins colors, was registered to Fernandez.

 

--

 

Last Tuesday, Will Bernal and Eddy Rivero decided to go to a Marlins game. Bernal was despondent over the death of a friend, and Rivero helped score tickets to watch Jose Fernandez pitch. They sat next to his girlfriend.

 

“We just talked about life,” Bernal said, about how short it was and how much he and Rivero were looking forward to a trip together to Las Vegas in October. Bernal went home that night appreciating Rivero even more. They were fellow sneakerheads who met because of their shoe-collecting hobby, and they’d grown into true friends. Rivero couldn’t thank Bernal enough for gifting him a pair of red Air Jordan 1s recently for the same he reason he didn’t say no to Jose Fernandez early Sunday: He wanted to give more than he took.

 

“Eddy was always the type of guy who would put others before him,” Bernal said. “He was a genuinely nice, caring person. The type of human you want to meet and have as a friend. It’s so hard to find friends like that.

 

“He lost his life being a good friend.”

 

Guilt consumed Bernal on Monday. He wanted to run out of his house and yell at Rivero and Fernandez to get off the boat, to be smarter, to save themselves. He didn’t want the last memories of Rivero to be the text messages and the conversation about how much Rivero loved his little niece and the Marlins game they attended together. He didn’t want his final piece of Fernandez – “A stand-up guy,” Bernal said, “very humble and likeable, especially for a pro athlete” – to be watching him on the mound.

 

Of course, if there was a Fernandez game to witness, this was it. Fernandez hadn’t pitched that well in more than two years, before his elbow blew out. This was a masterpiece. Eight innings. Three hits. No runs. No walks. Twelve strikeouts. The Washington Nationals, champions of the National League East, had no answers.

 

Bernal and Rivero marveled at Fernandez, congratulated his girlfriend, went off into the Miami night looking forward to so many more like this. Bernal is 32, and on occasion he tried to warn Rivero that they weren’t invincible, that they should savor what they had. It’s why the text message saying it’s not Rivero’s time to go so haunts Bernal, and why the ink on one of Rivero’s arms gives him goosebumps just the same.

 

“Life is Short,” the tattoo said. “Heaven is Forever.”

[Spanky99]

It's live on CP24 right now. Coast Guard and Fire Rescue.

 

"As of right now, no alcohol or drugs were found from the accident... cause of death was full speed into the jetty, all victims were 24 to 27 and the boater was familiar with the area, all close friends, and visibility was very bad last night."

 

Marlin players were frequent passengers of the boat, man, the team must be devastated, again my heart goes out to all victims, families friends and the Marlins Org, just tragic.

 

There might be some advanced forensics/Sherlock Holmes type of s*** they can do to measure the trajectory of the bodies and work backwards to find out who was manning the wheel.

 

f***, that previous sentence I just wrote sounded so morbid.

 

 

The officer who knows them all personally said Jose... "never drove the boat, was always a passenger" he checked them periodically for safety and alcohol inspections and never had an issue, said he had goose bumps talking about the reality of the entire situation.

 

P.S. When they brought up the boater, I believe they know who was driving. They just won't give details until the full inspection is over.

[Spanky99]

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/the-tragic-final-night-of-jose-fernandezs-life-023645408.htmlAround Miami, they cried Monday, too. Jose Fernandez was this city, with his Cuban blood and his joie de vivre and his love of the water. That part hurt. The ocean that gave him freedom took his life. He spent as much time as he could on the water, with his friend Jessie Garcia, who brought Fernandez on sport-fishing expeditions all over.

 

Sometimes they went to Cat Cay in the Bahamas, about 50 miles from Miami. Jonathan Dames, the Cat Cay dock master, said Fernandez and Garcia would go on late-night trips, coming back at 10 or 11 at night, because swordfish bit best in the dark.

 

“Swordfish is one of the sweetest fish inside the sea,” Dames said. “That’s why they’d always go for it. That was Jose’s favorite meal.”

 

Sometimes Fernandez would go to Cat Cay on his off-days. He would have lunch and play basketball and look at the chickens and iguanas on the island. He was ever curious, wanting to learn more about fishing and to drive the boat.

 

“Jessie kept telling him no,” Dames said. “I think Jessie knew he wasn’t ready to start going out on his own. Jessie always controlled the vessel. He made sure everybody got back safe. He wasn’t allowing [Fernandez] to buy a vessel at the time.”

 

Sounds like Jose did drive the boat from time to time, yet, I doubt Jessie let him drive that night, the conditions were very bad.

[Brownie19]

Another storybook moment last night as A.Diaz - who grew up on the same street as Fernandez hit a GS last night (he didn't play the night before, as he went to be with Jose's family0. You can't make this s*** up folks. Edited September 28, 2016 by Brownie19

[Spanky99]

http://m.mlb.com/video/topic/82574482/v1191394383/cinstl-diaz-crushes-grand-slam-to-leftcenter-field/?cid=mlb

[intentional wok]

JF is up there for the CY, at the point where writers seem to just pick a guy. Just give it to him. Very justifiable even outside of sentiment.

[Caper]

Because it's one thing to say "Eddy always drove the boat, he was Jose's driver," but if there were no witnesses and no survivors, you can't say for certainty who was driving at that moment. We don't know if Jose said "hey let me take the wheel for a couple minutes, I want to open it up and let off some steam."

 

But really, why does it matter? I think it's just a means of assigning blame, which is pointless since they all died.

 

It will matter when the other families take the estate to court. MLB should nip that in the bud and offer the other 2 families 500k to shut that stuff down.