Jays acquire Jesse Chavez

[43211234]

Ehhh, not too thrilled with this trade.

 

Chavez will be making close to $5M next year.

 

Not terrible but don't particularly like it.

[GreekFatAss]

As long as we still add an arm or two in free agency, no one will mind the loss of control.

 

Besides, we owe one to the A's

[43211234]

Hutch is probably in the bullpen now.

[burlingtonbandit]

Yep

 

Well thats pretty much what the Jays just did the other way.

[Abomination]

Hutch is probably in the bullpen now.

 

Lots of possibilities. Also possible that Dickey is traded.

[burlingtonbandit]

Hutch is probably in the bullpen now.

 

If Hutch is going to the pen they should of just traded him instead of Hendriks.

[glory]

Hmmm. I'm a Hendriks fan so not sure what to think of this one. Depends on whether you think his 2015 performance is sustainable. It certainly wasn't a fluke based on his peripherals. I thought it would have been worth a shot to see if he could be a back-end starter, and then turn him back into a reliever if that failed (with four years of control the Jays had time to see what they had), but Chavez is clearly the more accomplished SP option for 2016 between the two of them.

 

I think the A's might end up getting the better of this one, but the Jays are still getting a pretty good starter for a season (if not more depending on how he does and whether they re-sign him).

[Jonn]

 

Well as long as Josh Donaldson is happy.

[Laika]

Hendriks is a weird case because his velocity bump as a reliever was way more than you'd expect. He gained like four mph.

 

Hard to say if he can start games or not. I don't really think he has the repertoire for it and if I had to guess, I doubt Oakland will even want him to start. He's more of a late inning RP to me.

[GD]

19th best SIERA among relievers last year. I dunno I'd say thats pretty damn good.

 

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[Jimcanuck]

I'd rather have Hendriks. I guess this confirms how s***** our rotation is going to look next year.

 

Stroman

Estrada

Dickey

Chavez

Hutchison

 

It's early bro

 

Stroman

?

Dickey

Estrada

Chavez

 

Hutchison, Sanchez, ? depth

 

Jays have like $20M for the first ?

[reedjohnsonfan]

I'd rather have Hendriks. I guess this confirms how s***** our rotation is going to look next year.

 

Stroman

Estrada

Dickey

Chavez

Hutchison

 

They'll likely get another starter. The best guess is probably Samardzija, they were rumoured to like him in the past, but he won't be cheap since every other team realizes he's still probably very good.

[Grant77]

I do like that we have at least 6 viable SP candidates on the roster now. The Estrada and Chavez moves aren't great value by any stretch of the imagination, but they were almost necessary given the wasteland that we had entering free agency. Remember, we gave 10 different guys at least 3 starts in a relatively injury free 2015.

 

That's not to say that the rotation shouldn't improve, but LaCava has acquired enough depth to put us in a much stronger position.

[Jimcanuck]

They'll likely get another starter. The best guess is probably Samardzija, they were rumoured to like him in the past, but he won't be cheap since every other team realizes he's still probably very good.

 

AA was rumoured to like him.... who knows with Shapiro

[burlingtonbandit]

To me this signals Sanchez is going to be used in high leverage situations. Really hope Lowe is signed because I think they need more than 3 good relievers.

[Ziggyy108]

I hope we trade Dickey ....

[Ziggyy108]

And I hope we bring back Lowe

[Jimcanuck]

I do like that we now have at least 6 viable SP candidates on the roster now. The Estrada and Chavez moves aren't great value by any stretch of the imagination, but they were almost necessary given the wasteland that we had entering free agency. Remember, we gave 10 different guys at least 3 starts in a relatively injury free 2015.

 

That's not to say that the rotation shouldn't improve, but LaCava has acquired enough depth to put us in a much stronger position.

 

Losing Stroman puts the lie to 'injury free 2015'

 

Historically, the 6th starter starts ~20 games in a season. No small amount. Good swingmen are quite valuable.

[flafson]

I honestly don't get it. We had him in the rotation, he wasn't that great, we let him go, he was "ok" in that big Oakland park so now we assume he's much better than before?

I know what I have in Hendricks, no clue what I got in Chavez.

[THANOS]

Not sure how I feel about this, Chavez has excellent peripherals and a good K/9, but Hendriks was outstanding this year (8th in the MLB for relievers with a 2.14 FIP) and his velocity bump was significant enough that it could have been a mechanical/development change, and would be worth looking at in the rotation.

[Terminator]

I could see Hutchison starting the year in AAA as our #6 SP now.

[reedjohnsonfan]

AA was rumoured to like him.... who knows with Shapiro

 

LaCava probably liked him too. To me, he's a good fit for every team. Big strong guy, throws hard, good control, and he does have nice secondary stuff. Not much not to like other than his crappy season.

[Grant77]

Losing Stroman puts the lie to 'injury free 2015'

 

Historically, the 6th starter starts ~20 games in a season. No small amount. Good swingmen are quite valuable.

 

Relatively injury free. We lost maybe 40 starts to injury, probably less than average.

[nonamejays]

Is Chavez more of a GB pitcher or a flyball guy. If he's a GB guy, then this deal isn't too bad. If he is a FB guy, that is concerning.

[glory]

It's still early but so far Stroman/Estrada/Dickey/Chavez are good bets to make the rotation, with Hutchison having the 5th spot if they can't get someone else (and I suspect they will). The Jays probably plan on leaving Osuna and Sanchez in the pen if that's the case, and if they get another starter, then Hutchison is likely in AAA to serve as depth.

[Yorkshire Blue Jay]

One thing is for sure Chavez will be more valuable than Hendriks if they continued to misuse hendriks in his bullpen role.

 

I do know that we lack starting pitching depth and this move will help to address that, it's a shame that it cost Hendriks who I liked, but for some reason the Jays didn't trust enough to have a bigger role within the pen.

[Cyborg]

Is Chavez more of a GB pitcher or a flyball guy. If he's a GB guy, then this deal isn't too bad. If he is a FB guy, that is concerning.

Neither really.

[JFD]

what a s*** trade. Chavez has a noodle arm. do not want.

[nmrch]

what a horrible deal right of the bat from LaCava. Hendricks was our best reliever last year and everything about just screams legit to me. Forget the controllability, Chavez might puts up a lower WAR next season.

[BlueJayWay]

I'd rather have Hendriks. I guess this confirms how s***** our rotation is going to look next year.

 

Stroman

Estrada

Dickey

Chavez

Hutchison

 

I assume they'll acquire at least another guy, probably a FA